EPTSeoul Barcraft again~ - Page 6
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Romulox
United States125 Posts
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boxturtle
United States224 Posts
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meatybacon
United States36 Posts
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SillyPrincess
Canada115 Posts
On January 25 2012 17:59 KeksX wrote: If one barcraft gets 80 people to watch on one stream they lost 79 viewers, now imagine there were 10 barcrafts in korea. Roughly 700 "potential" viewers lost. They have to fight for each viewer and barcrafts work against that. People don't realize that when there are thousands of people watching but they only generate like 100 views it's pretty dumb(for the event). Just think of the real numbers; people are always complaining about how sc2 gets less viewers than LoL, yet they forget that barcraft take away viewers. (Viewers as in numbers) Then maybe barcraft should require a special "theater" ticket that costs 5 or 10 times more? But honestly you would think that brings more attention to GomTV as new audiences could imerge from it. | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
Most of us would go watch the finals live, then go to yaletown after. I don't understand why gom feels the need to shut it down. He said future barcrafts are shut down... I guess even if they do a finals in Cali, they want what few foreigners there are to go to their viewing party? It seems like gom wants foreigners in their studio... Kind of seems like an overreaction from gom. | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On January 25 2012 04:23 yaletown wrote: Believe it or not, I recently received an email from GOM TV asking me NOT to host Barcrafts anymore. I then asked for a refund on my 1 year pass, which I paid for if I'm not allowed to host them and they abliged. Therefore I will no longer be PROMOTING Barcrafts. If you would like to informally gather and ask me to turn on the TV to your favourite programs under your account, I can accomodate that. As for the reasoning behind GOM's email, I have NO Idea at all... ... did you ask why? | ||
NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
On January 26 2012 04:47 Kiett wrote: Yeah, they did. I wasn't actually there that night (I think I went to watch the games at the studio?) but Symmetry was. He said they filmed everyone watching the game and socializing, and then gave out free GOMtv shirts. It seemed like they were really supportive of the event. This is just a complete 180 :| I hate to say it, but I'm not surprised in the slightest. It's quite often hard to know where you stand with people/organizations here. They will appear supportive, and suddenly turn upon you without any warning. That doesn't apply to everyone, obviously, but it has happened to me and people I know in the past. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
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Everest9
Nepal88 Posts
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thebig1
248 Posts
You could make the arguement maybe it's too early for them to do this, especially if they don't have a bar package available yet, but apparently they seem to think that it is time. This was going to happen eventually. If a bar was broadcasting normal pay per view content with a single user license and the organising body found out they would be asked to stop too. SC2 is getting popular so this stuff is going to happen, get over it. It's what you have been asking for, so stop complaining. | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
If they were thinking long term they would be the ones actually sponsoring these events as opposed to trying to crack down on them... | ||
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
For the barcraft you could still show it on the free to view steam though right? | ||
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Slithe
United States985 Posts
On January 26 2012 09:03 thebig1 wrote: Some people are silly. They complain because esports should be treated like real sports, and then when it is they complain about that too. This is just a step towards that. GSL is no different than UFC, Pro Wrestling, Boxing, Football, or any other PAY PER VIEW sporting event. You could make the arguement maybe it's too early for them to do this, especially if they don't have a bar package available yet, but apparently they seem to think that it is time. This was going to happen eventually. If a bar was broadcasting normal pay per view content with a single user license and the organising body found out they would be asked to stop too. SC2 is getting popular so this stuff is going to happen, get over it. It's what you have been asking for, so stop complaining. It is perfectly reasonable to complain about a Barcraft getting shut down without explanation. It reflects poorly on the organization that they aren't at least giving a reason, especially considering how SC2 is still relatively small. Furthermore, both you and 90% of the people in this thread are making assumptions about why GOM is doing this. Until we get an official response from GOM, everyone's just wasting their time speculating. | ||
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niuage
United States175 Posts
They must have a completely different view of the world from us to get to this decision. And no business sense whatsoever... | ||
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terialk
United States770 Posts
Then again, maybe they have other reasons for not wanting it. I'm just theorizing unless they decide to respond ^^. | ||
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Liph
United States151 Posts
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yaletown
Korea (South)110 Posts
On January 26 2012 06:17 meatybacon wrote: I can see goms reasoning behind this... To show UFC events in restaurants the restaurant has to pay for each potential viewer they have which can reach ridiculous amounts of money, so only places that are sure they are going to have a big turnout really show them... Not that I agree with it, the owner of the pub where we have our barcraft loves the extra business, which is understandable because there's probably 2-3 times as many people there during barcraft at no extra expense to him, maybe he should share some of the cost of bringing more people to it.... just saying, capitalism is capitalism... Just to clarify as others have already said, we are not packed or making a tonne of money because of the barcrafts. If anything GOM was making more money on the extra subscription we bought compared to what they are losing from lack of viewership. We've never had a viewer that hadn't been to the studio live and we only show main events like finals and semis. We don't even have a set schedule as we were still in the infant stages. GSL was probably 4th or 5th after NFL, NHL, NBA, EPL even Victoria Secret videos on our priority list of what we show here. We only showed it because of my personal link to the industry and the desire to offer something back to the community. I can assure you that if GOM offered us a premium package to air it for double, we would not have purchased it. Anyone who has attended our establishment can tell you why. As for the reason, I don't know. They said that they are evaluating their "stance" on Barcrafts in general, which tells me it's not for any legal reason as they would have specified if it were something formal. They did say that they would make an official announcement on their stance, but this was a month ago now. My take is that they "thought someone might be" benefitting from their intellectual property and they didn't want to stand still even if it was actually helping them in the present. (If were had 30 people a week coming to watch I'd understand, but 15-20 a month is not hurting them, it's actually helping) Again anyone who has been here can back this point. It is true that Gom came to our first ever barcraft to give out free t-shirts and stickers to show their support, why this now? Perhaps we'll get that barcraft explanation as they promised someday. Perhaps if enough time has passed, I'll post our email log. In the meantime, don't let the drama hurt the game, which still goes on. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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amostan
Singapore48 Posts
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myth_au
Australia39 Posts
Anyone who hosts a barcraft should be aware that they are breaching the license agreement given by gomtv when you sign up. It isnt for personal/private use, using it in a bar becomes public and you are one breaching the agreement and secondly you are infringing the copyright of the broadcast. There are case law on this and i would be extremely cautious to anyone who considers hosting a barcraft without the appropriate license from GomTV. I would also be extremely cautious as the venue (bar) because they could be considered for secondary infringement. You need not look far then the free mp3 downloads case in australia. Any bar, food court, shopping centres etc that play music and broadcast always pays some license/royalty fee to someone (usually APRA/AMCOS for music). Otherwise they would be sued for infringement. South Korea is against infringement and counterfeiting big time. When you got to korea and you have to till out a declaration saying you have no goods that infringement any IP. So yea. Also Australia is also usually very owners of IP. again lots of technology cases out there now. | ||
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