EPTThat's bullshit. We need to convince GOM that they're making mistake by threating BarCraft as an enemy. It does no good for this scene.
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
That's bullshit. We need to convince GOM that they're making mistake by threating BarCraft as an enemy. It does no good for this scene. | ||
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o_Thomaz
Brazil4 Posts
I'll be in Seoul from february 9th to to 14th, and would like to meet the nerds for some beer. I'll watch Code S and GSTL live at Gom, so I'm up for something after or maybe a Barcraft to watch IEM São Paulo. I'll be checking this topic and PMs. See ya! Btw, it's a shame that GOM is doing this, | ||
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P3psi
Korea (South)85 Posts
Most of you guys who are hating or adding nothing but "i hate gom" or "WTF THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO THIS," don't even live in Korea. Remember, most of you guys. This aint no OCCUPY or 99% crap. This is business, and without business, eSports is dead. GomTV probably had a reason for this, like it or not. All you do by making GomTV the bad guy is hurting the game and eSports as a whole. After very little information given to us by "yaletown" you all decide to raise your pitchforks (aka tapping your keys on your keyboard in RAGE!!!!) Please, keep your emotions in check, just because you have anonymity doesn't mean this type of pitchforking is acceptable. Cancel your subs, send your emails, protest! If you really want GomTV to be the bad guy, lets get rid of them as a whole and run the studio ourselves! Dont kid me. Some of you have valid points, for and against this issue. I really do appreciate that some of you guys can keep a cool head. However, the others, some who may not even be old enough to go to a "BAR"craft, shut up. You are doing nothing but adding hate and animosity to a business, which believe it or not, makes people stay up at night to watch pixels against pixels. So please, lower them. I said please. Thank you for reading this rant. Will be following up with a concise version for people who dont like to read long posts. GLHFR~ | ||
Rekrul
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P3psi
Korea (South)85 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
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P3psi
Korea (South)85 Posts
On January 28 2012 01:55 Rekrul wrote: there was more hate in that post than the entire thread I like to call it non-constructive criticism on how some people handle situations. I will not take it back. Probably doesnt help I drank some soju before arriving home... Evil green bottles... | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On January 28 2012 01:53 P3psi wrote: As a regular at Yaletown, BarCraft or not. Lower your damn pitchforks and torches if you have no idea what the hell your talking about/never been to the venue/have no knowledge of how this works. Most of you guys who are hating or adding nothing but "i hate gom" or "WTF THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO THIS," don't even live in Korea. Remember, most of you guys. This aint no OCCUPY or 99% crap. This is business, and without business, eSports is dead. GomTV probably had a reason for this, like it or not. All you do by making GomTV the bad guy is hurting the game and eSports as a whole. After very little information given to us by "yaletown" you all decide to raise your pitchforks (aka tapping your keys on your keyboard in RAGE!!!!) Please, keep your emotions in check, just because you have anonymity doesn't mean this type of pitchforking is acceptable. Cancel your subs, send your emails, protest! If you really want GomTV to be the bad guy, lets get rid of them as a whole and run the studio ourselves! Dont kid me. Some of you have valid points, for and against this issue. I really do appreciate that some of you guys can keep a cool head. However, the others, some who may not even be old enough to go to a "BAR"craft, shut up. You are doing nothing but adding hate and animosity to a business, which believe it or not, makes people stay up at night to watch pixels against pixels. So please, lower them. I said please. Thank you for reading this rant. Will be following up with a concise version for people who dont like to read long posts. GLHFR~ I have been attempting to contact GOMtv to get their side of the story since the news broke - PM and E-mail, as well as organizing people to tweet GOM amass and posting on GOMtv forum. They have not responded thus far. You're correct in reminding us that GOMtv is a business. Because it's a business, it has responsibility in keeping its customers happy. If a business adopt policies that make its customers unhappy, its bottom line would suffer. As GOMtv's customers, we are doing it a favor by proactively engaging and letting it know when a policy frustrates and annoys us. If GOM chooses a policy to protect (questionably) its bottomline but damages the community that it feeds off from. A policy that can hurt the long term prospect of this community, then it must receive a proportional response until GOM is sufficiently swayed to reverse the policy. GOM is not all of StarCraft 2. We don't owe it to GOM if GOM chooses to hurt us. | ||
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RunningInSquares
United States215 Posts
On January 27 2012 13:12 Primadog wrote: + Show Spoiler + It would hurt eSports if we do nothing. GOM acted unilaterally, used BarCraft Seoul when convenient to them, then shit over your group when they're done. That's bullshit. We need to convince GOM that they're making mistake by threating BarCraft as an enemy. It does no good for this scene. I can't confirm this as I only heard it secondhand (though like Kiett, I was in Seoul at the time it happened), but I believe that the guy that's in Korea filming Sons of Starcraft was the one that came to the Barcraft that day for filming. If it was him, this should not be interpreted as GOM using the Barcraft because that guy has no real affiliation with GOM other than being allowed to film footage for the documentary in studio. And for what it's worth, I agree with P3psi that we need to wait this out and I'm sure that GOM or Jason will come forth with relevant details as they develop. | ||
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Fnatic.SaSe
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
On January 25 2012 04:23 yaletown wrote: Believe it or not, I recently received an email from GOM TV asking me NOT to host Barcrafts anymore. I then asked for a refund on my 1 year pass, which I paid for if I'm not allowed to host them and they abliged. Therefore I will no longer be PROMOTING Barcrafts. If you would like to informally gather and ask me to turn on the TV to your favourite programs under your account, I can accomodate that. As for the reasoning behind GOM's email, I have NO Idea at all... Sorry to hear this, have not read through all the pages but it sucks that they think that way. Barcraft is a great way for a community to see each other IRL. | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On January 28 2012 01:53 P3psi wrote: Most of you guys who are hating or adding nothing but "i hate gom" or "WTF THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO THIS," don't even live in Korea. Remember, most of you guys. This aint no OCCUPY or 99% crap. This is business, and without business, eSports is dead. GomTV probably had a reason for this, like it or not. Esports can survive without Gom. Of course Gom had a reason for this, whatever it may be, and we can react to it as customers however we choose. Gom has decided that it's smart to go shut down a tiny barcraft at the risk of upsetting an entire online community. Those types of choices will affect their business in the end, good or bad. If this little barcraft was in fact hurting their business, I wonder if it was hurting it as much as the backlash from this choice? On January 28 2012 01:53 P3psi wrote: All you do by making GomTV the bad guy is hurting the game and eSports as a whole. After very little information given to us by "yaletown" you all decide to raise your pitchforks (aka tapping your keys on your keyboard in RAGE!!!!) Please, keep your emotions in check, just because you have anonymity doesn't mean this type of pitchforking is acceptable. Gom's been busy lately making controversial decisions. This is just one of them. I doubt many of us are sitting around "tapping our keys on our keyboard in RAGE!!!!" I'm personally just getting tired of their decisions lately (naniwa, no gstl on gsl yearly pass, this). We're not making Gom the bad guy, they're doing a fine job at that by themselves. If Gom dies, another will pop up in its place. Blizzard knows there's plenty of money to be made and selling the rights to televised starcraft is how they intend to make their money with starcraft 2. As much as I want to support the players and casters at Gom, it's really hard when they keep making decisions I disagree with (and we're all allowed to disagree with their decisions whether it's good for their business or not). On January 28 2012 01:53 P3psi wrote: Cancel your subs, send your emails, protest! If you really want GomTV to be the bad guy, lets get rid of them as a whole and run the studio ourselves! Dont kid me. I think you're blowing the responses out of proportion. It would be awesome if Gom would stop being a good or bad guy, and just start providing us with quality sc2 without the extra bs. Most companies try to be as neutral as possible to avoid bad publicity. It feels as though whoever's in charge there (Mr Chae or whoever's actually calling the shots) just doesn't give a fuck about their public perception. Maybe this is just me misunderstanding Korean culture, but as a customer I have to interpret their actions as best as I can. On January 28 2012 01:53 P3psi wrote: You are doing nothing but adding hate and animosity to a business, which believe it or not, makes people stay up at night to watch pixels against pixels. We stay up late at night to watch 2 people play a strategic match of skill against each other. Coincidentally, it has pretty graphics. You make it sound like we're just watching pixels fly across the screen with no meaning. That's what someone who doesn't actually understand why people would watch esports would think =/ | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On January 28 2012 06:32 Primadog wrote: I have been attempting to contact GOMtv to get their side of the story since the news broke - PM and E-mail, as well as organizing people to tweet GOM amass and posting on GOMtv forum. They have not responded thus far. You're correct in reminding us that GOMtv is a business. Because it's a business, it has responsibility in keeping its customers happy. If a business adopt policies that make its customers unhappy, its bottom line would suffer. As GOMtv's customers, we are doing it a favor by proactively engaging and letting it know when a policy frustrates and annoys us. If GOM chooses a policy to protect (questionably) its bottomline but damages the community that it feeds off from. A policy that can hurt the long term prospect of this community, then it must receive a proportional response until GOM is sufficiently swayed to reverse the policy. GOM is not all of StarCraft 2. We don't owe it to GOM if GOM chooses to hurt us. GOMtv has responded to my inquiries on January 29th through E-mail: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iopTb.jpg) | ||
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On January 28 2012 06:32 Primadog wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On January 28 2012 01:53 P3psi wrote: As a regular at Yaletown, BarCraft or not. Lower your damn pitchforks and torches if you have no idea what the hell your talking about/never been to the venue/have no knowledge of how this works. Most of you guys who are hating or adding nothing but "i hate gom" or "WTF THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO THIS," don't even live in Korea. Remember, most of you guys. This aint no OCCUPY or 99% crap. This is business, and without business, eSports is dead. GomTV probably had a reason for this, like it or not. All you do by making GomTV the bad guy is hurting the game and eSports as a whole. After very little information given to us by "yaletown" you all decide to raise your pitchforks (aka tapping your keys on your keyboard in RAGE!!!!) Please, keep your emotions in check, just because you have anonymity doesn't mean this type of pitchforking is acceptable. Cancel your subs, send your emails, protest! If you really want GomTV to be the bad guy, lets get rid of them as a whole and run the studio ourselves! Dont kid me. Some of you have valid points, for and against this issue. I really do appreciate that some of you guys can keep a cool head. However, the others, some who may not even be old enough to go to a "BAR"craft, shut up. You are doing nothing but adding hate and animosity to a business, which believe it or not, makes people stay up at night to watch pixels against pixels. So please, lower them. I said please. Thank you for reading this rant. Will be following up with a concise version for people who dont like to read long posts. GLHFR~ I have been attempting to contact GOMtv to get their side of the story since the news broke - PM and E-mail, as well as organizing people to tweet GOM amass and posting on GOMtv forum. They have not responded thus far. You're correct in reminding us that GOMtv is a business. Because it's a business, it has responsibility in keeping its customers happy. If a business adopt policies that make its customers unhappy, its bottom line would suffer. As GOMtv's customers, we are doing it a favor by proactively engaging and letting it know when a policy frustrates and annoys us. If GOM chooses a policy to protect (questionably) its bottomline but damages the community that it feeds off from. A policy that can hurt the long term prospect of this community, then it must receive a proportional response until GOM is sufficiently swayed to reverse the policy. GOM is not all of StarCraft 2. We don't owe it to GOM if GOM chooses to hurt us. You should check your Business Basics textbook champ, businesses have a responsibility to their shareholders, not their customers. On January 31 2012 16:14 Primadog wrote: GOMtv has responded to my inquiries on January 29th through E-mail: Was this not obviously the reason for it happening? It was called on page two of this very thread... Anyway, now that's cleared up, care to end this crusade? | ||
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