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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
Thanks,
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Also, continuing to feature Idra's stream while still banning him for 90 days is an efficient way of undermining your credibility on this issue. You and others disagree with the behavior he embodies....but you still value the accompanying traffic and viewership he brings to this website. Hmm. Despite all of TL's posturing, it seems they still understand the golden rule of cultivating any mass medium: viewers are all that matters.
I thought Idra had them remove his stream while he was banned?
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On May 09 2011 03:28 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 03:27 Elthreann wrote:On May 08 2011 19:48 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:39 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:36 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:28 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:24 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:21 Tornadium wrote:On May 08 2011 19:19 KwarK wrote:On May 08 2011 19:16 Tornadium wrote:
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Usually when someone bans you, it is their fault. There is no connection between Idra's ability to stream and the stream on teamliquid. The only time Idra's stream has been taken off teamliquid is when Idra contacted Hot_Bid while banned and requested that it was removed. Teamliquid simply embeds the stream, it is hosted and streamed elsewhere. There is absolutely no reason why Idra couldn't stream while banned. Exactly. He could stream. He didn't say otherwise anywhere at any one point or time. He just refused to stream because he felt his ban was a joke. He's telling people to contact the person who banned him, the responsible party for the situation. TL banned Idra causing the current event. How is Chill the responsible party for Idra deciding not to stream when the stream is in no way related to teamliquid? He's a grown man, he's responsible for his own decisions. Unless i'm wrong the stream was Hosted and sponsored by TL right? They had ads on his stream i believe. Refusing to stream is basically a protest to his ban. Nothing more. Still doesn't change the fact that people are lying. He didn't say he couldn't stream. True he is a grown man, however he's responsible for someone else's interpretation or version of Idra's decisions. He didn't do anything that you're claiming he did. For a purely neutral standpoint the ban is based off of what a Mod thinks he meant. disclaimer: this is to the best of my inside knowledge but if it is in any way inaccurate then I apologise The stream is not hosted on tl, it is on justin.tv or something. teamliquid is in no way affiliated with the stream and has no control over it. The stream is not sponsored by tl, tl does not endorse it nor gain any ad revenue from it save from the ads that appear on every tl page, stream or no. The ads on his stream provide revenue for Idra, not tl. He is a partner (or whatever they call it) with whatever streaming service he uses, he plays ads and they send him $. teamliquid is in no way involved in this relationship. Refusing to stream is his right but that doesn't mean that the two things are connected. It is absolutely unacceptable for a member of this forum to encourage the spamming of a moderator with protest pms. Fair enough, I was under the impression that TL sponsored the stream. Regardless, i don't understand why it's unacceptable for a large number of people to protest a ban if they feel that the community they are participating in made an extremely bad decision. Chill is a moderator right? Can't he handle a little critism of his moderation? We have a website feedback forum here. Idra has been here for years, he knows this. Idra also knows he has an army of barely literate 12 year olds at his command (I've read a lot of the PMs Chill got, you'd be amazed) who don't fully understand how cause and effect works.This forum should be a pleasant place for starcraft fans to interact. Chill was doing his duty by handing Idra a slap on the wrist (again the 2 day was incredibly lenient). It was not anything personal and if Idra had a problem with it then it was a problem with the rules of the site, not with the staff member who volunteers their time to enforce them. Idra did not say "I think the rules of teamliquid are too strict and you guys should debate them in the website feedback forum". He said, and I paraphrase, "I'm going to fuck over you idiots and it is in some way this guys fault, ps: don't look into whether I actually broke the rules, just send him any venom you have lying around". I like this site as it is. Many people do not and they are welcome to suggest improvements or to go to one of our rivals. That is their choice. However this is still our site and we do not deserve abuse for upholding the standards that make this site the place I love. Sorry but how can this not be rated an insult to idra and why does he get a two day ban and you then dont?  just kidding but also kind of trying to make a point :D Because I that's how the PMs looked like.
Pff I got it wrong by the way its not an insult against idra but against his fans . And i would feel insulted being called a twelve year old and i think most people would so it is an insult and a warning should be the minimum :D:D:D
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On May 09 2011 04:04 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:02 kraft wrote:On May 09 2011 04:01 zeru wrote:On May 09 2011 03:58 Lumin wrote:
How did the moderation team decide on 90 days? Are there specific guidelines you guys adhere to? Or did you guys just ballpark it?
Also, if you're going to ban him for 90 days, why keep his stream featured? Is it because you still want the ad revenue coming in through from people that come here and click on Idra's stream? If anything he should be thankful that his stream is still listed, and his TL stream page doesn't have any ads. It helps him more than it helps TL. just having him on the stream list will bring tl traffic Teamliquid doesn't need traffic.
believe me they need
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shame. good decision for keeping up his stream though.
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this is BS! well, i hope he streams! GREG is undoubtedly the MOST POPULAR starcraft player EVER!!!
look how many fans and haters he has, its amazing. he is becoming the face of starcraft. i think as starcraft rises in north america so will greg and will celebrity in no time. i can see it coming.
people are jealous because of his success. my opinion. people are just jealous. i have seen people post so much BS and get nothing for it. well... its sad.
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This is great news. He doesn't post anything worth reading anyway. I only wish all the fanboys would get so upset they would leave TL forever ^_^
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Advertisements don't affect teamliquid? Then why are they on this website? And the "multiple people" you refer to aren't credible. If Nazgul (The owner/manager) comes out and says it then I will believe it. But if it's some random person, why would you believe what they say?
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On May 09 2011 04:03 Lumin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:00 PanN wrote:On May 09 2011 03:58 Lumin wrote:
How did the moderation team decide on 90 days? Are there specific guidelines you guys adhere to? Or did you guys just ballpark it?
Also, if you're going to ban him for 90 days, why keep his stream featured? Is it because you still want the ad revenue coming in through from people that come here and click on Idra's stream? If you read the thread (which you didn't) you would find out that teamliquid canceled their ads on idras stream. If you read what I wrote (which you didn't), you would understand that some people come to TL, and click on the streams located on the right hand side of the screen. Do you not notice there's an advertisement on TL? Located near the top center of any part of the website? Canceling ads on idra's stream doesn't affect their website's ads now does it?
if you are that concerned with supporting team liquid, get the chrome add on and add this site to your block list.
cya in 90 days bro
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On May 09 2011 04:06 aruken wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:04 PanN wrote:On May 09 2011 04:02 kraft wrote:On May 09 2011 04:01 zeru wrote:On May 09 2011 03:58 Lumin wrote:
How did the moderation team decide on 90 days? Are there specific guidelines you guys adhere to? Or did you guys just ballpark it?
Also, if you're going to ban him for 90 days, why keep his stream featured? Is it because you still want the ad revenue coming in through from people that come here and click on Idra's stream? If anything he should be thankful that his stream is still listed, and his TL stream page doesn't have any ads. It helps him more than it helps TL. just having him on the stream list will bring tl traffic Teamliquid doesn't need traffic. believe me they need
I won't speak on behalf of the site but TL's been around since 2002 or so, sc2 and the visitor boom only occured halfway through last year to put it into perspective.
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On May 09 2011 04:08 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:06 aruken wrote:On May 09 2011 04:04 PanN wrote:On May 09 2011 04:02 kraft wrote:On May 09 2011 04:01 zeru wrote:On May 09 2011 03:58 Lumin wrote:
How did the moderation team decide on 90 days? Are there specific guidelines you guys adhere to? Or did you guys just ballpark it?
Also, if you're going to ban him for 90 days, why keep his stream featured? Is it because you still want the ad revenue coming in through from people that come here and click on Idra's stream? If anything he should be thankful that his stream is still listed, and his TL stream page doesn't have any ads. It helps him more than it helps TL. just having him on the stream list will bring tl traffic Teamliquid doesn't need traffic. believe me they need Don't be arrogant and pretend to know about things you don't know.
Yeah 17,000 viewers for a website that's trying to grow a niche genre into a mainstream sport is pretty extraneous.
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On May 09 2011 04:02 kraft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:01 zeru wrote:On May 09 2011 03:58 Lumin wrote:
How did the moderation team decide on 90 days? Are there specific guidelines you guys adhere to? Or did you guys just ballpark it?
Also, if you're going to ban him for 90 days, why keep his stream featured? Is it because you still want the ad revenue coming in through from people that come here and click on Idra's stream? If anything he should be thankful that his stream is still listed, and his TL stream page doesn't have any ads. It helps him more than it helps TL. just having him on the stream list will bring tl traffic
This is a moot point, since you can't specifically prove your point. I'd contest that most of the people watching IdrA's stream would be pursing TL anyway, and IdrA is just the preferred streamer.
When IdrA announces his streaming, he doesn't link to TL or mention it at all, which supports my conclusion that the people watching IdrA from TL are here anyway.
The only mention of TL on IdrA's twitter recently is in regards to his 2day ban, which probably isn't the kind of traffic that TL wants anyway.
Edit: On May 09 2011 04:11 smileyface22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:08 zeru wrote:On May 09 2011 04:06 aruken wrote:On May 09 2011 04:04 PanN wrote:On May 09 2011 04:02 kraft wrote:On May 09 2011 04:01 zeru wrote:On May 09 2011 03:58 Lumin wrote:
How did the moderation team decide on 90 days? Are there specific guidelines you guys adhere to? Or did you guys just ballpark it?
Also, if you're going to ban him for 90 days, why keep his stream featured? Is it because you still want the ad revenue coming in through from people that come here and click on Idra's stream? If anything he should be thankful that his stream is still listed, and his TL stream page doesn't have any ads. It helps him more than it helps TL. just having him on the stream list will bring tl traffic Teamliquid doesn't need traffic. believe me they need Don't be arrogant and pretend to know about things you don't know. Yeah 17,000 viewers for a website that's trying to grow a niche genre into a mainstream sport is pretty extraneous.
It's obvious that all 17,000 viewers aren't watching from TL; do /viewers in chat to receive a count of the embedded streams.
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On May 09 2011 04:08 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:06 aruken wrote:On May 09 2011 04:04 PanN wrote:On May 09 2011 04:02 kraft wrote:On May 09 2011 04:01 zeru wrote:On May 09 2011 03:58 Lumin wrote:
How did the moderation team decide on 90 days? Are there specific guidelines you guys adhere to? Or did you guys just ballpark it?
Also, if you're going to ban him for 90 days, why keep his stream featured? Is it because you still want the ad revenue coming in through from people that come here and click on Idra's stream? If anything he should be thankful that his stream is still listed, and his TL stream page doesn't have any ads. It helps him more than it helps TL. just having him on the stream list will bring tl traffic Teamliquid doesn't need traffic. believe me they need Don't be arrogant and pretend to know about things you don't know.
dont diqualify others opinion without bringing your knowladge to the table and explain why they are wrong, not doing so pretty much makes you the arrogant one...
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After plowing through most of the beginning of the thread i feel the mods did a great job. Having 2day bans frequently from 2007 till now... He could have seen it coming.
Still, it's odd how he can fly off the handle like that. On State of the Game he always seems pretty relaxed and at ease, but when he's playing he starts boiling it seems. Odd....
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The idea that it is an assumption that Idra had any ill-intent with his twitter comment is like a mobster defending himself by saying he was merely suggesting his minions pay an enemy "a visit", not that they murder him.
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On May 09 2011 04:15 Grumbels wrote:
The idea that it is an assumption that Idra had any ill-intent with his twitter comment is like a mobster defending himself by saying he was merely suggesting his minions pay an enemy "a visit", not that they murder him.
lol i actually like that analogy xD
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On May 09 2011 04:09 SpiffD wrote:
This is great news. He doesn't post anything worth reading anyway. I only wish all the fanboys would get so upset they would leave TL forever ^_^
and then tl would the best forum
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Whole issue has been blown out of proportion. It's not like idrA made a thread about his disgust about Cruncher, it was isolated in the fan club page. I dont know why the admins feel such a need to moderate every word of every post so thoroughly. Frankly as one of the biggest sites for SC I think it time to completetly overhaul their forum rules, of course if they actually care about the expansion of eSports. If every visitor is banned for expressing their opinion I dont think were getting anywhere -.-
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On May 09 2011 03:46 Sina92 wrote:Why has he not been permabanned? It goes to remind us that we are not all equal here on Team Liquid. Check his banlog HERE and you'll understand.
I agree idra should have got punished for his actions, but permabanned i don't think so. that ban history is over what 7 years, you have to put in to perspective.
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