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Hello, all!

It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.

Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.

Thanks,

Empyrean. Time stamp: 03:59 KST.
Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
May 08 2011 18:47 GMT
#1741
Well im happy with this tread I gained alot of new knowledge. For starters I didnt realise all of Idra´s fanboys got an avarage IQ of 30.



User was temp banned for this post.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 08 2011 18:47 GMT
#1742
On May 09 2011 03:31 ThatGuy89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 03:27 mav451 wrote:
The people white-knighting Idra need to step back and see how this reflects on SC2 and esports in general. There's a place for some friendly banter/trash-talking, but we are talking a habitual line-stepper. Yes, that's a Chappelle Show reference. Idra then encouraging his twitter followers to PM bomb the mods is really poor judgement as well.

As for EG/Liquid drama...let's just save that for the SOTG thread please, that isn't relevant here.


of course its relevant.........theres alot of tension between these top top SC2 clans, and then probably the most famous member of one of these teams, is banned from the other teams forum.....hmmmm....

i used to be a moderator on GR.org - dont think its quite as big as TL.net as it was only for the BFME section - you cant let your ego get in the way. Yea he might have power over 30,000 people, but you still have to act responsibly and not abuse that power

There is a lot less tension that you've imagined. Chill has nothing to do with the TL team and the TL team had nothing to do with the second ban. It's a moderator decision and my guess is that there are a lot more IdrA fans than haters on staff, including Chill himself.
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damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 18:52:58
May 08 2011 18:47 GMT
#1743
On May 09 2011 03:45 ZaaaaaM wrote:
How old is he, 12?

older than you thats for sure.
On May 09 2011 03:47 Nerdslayer wrote:
Well im happy with this tread I gained alot of new knowledge. For starters I didnt realise all of Idra´s fanboys got an avarage IQ of 30.


saying this proves you are not better then any one of them at all.
your comment is actually a good example of an immature person, so saying it to someone else is just ironic .
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Pokedude1013
Profile Joined August 2010
116 Posts
May 08 2011 18:48 GMT
#1744
On May 09 2011 03:47 Nerdslayer wrote:
Well im happy with this tread I gained alot of new knowledge. For starters I didnt realise all of Idra´s fanboys got an avarage IQ of 30.



Generalizing on that scale makes your IQ about 29 I suppose

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ratMortar
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada282 Posts
May 08 2011 18:50 GMT
#1745
Can I get clarification on something? Was the 90 day ban a result of "everyone pm Chill if this upsets you"?

I'm guessing Chill was flooded with PMs bashing him and whatnot; it's expected from a forum of thousands. My question; were these people banned for 90 days as well?
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
May 08 2011 18:50 GMT
#1746
On May 09 2011 03:46 Sina92 wrote:
Why has he not been permabanned? It goes to remind us that we are not all equal here on Team Liquid.

Check his banlog HERE and you'll understand.


Correct. We are not all equal here. Thanks for letting everyone know though.
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reptile
Profile Joined July 2010
United States210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 18:52:27
May 08 2011 18:50 GMT
#1747
On May 09 2011 03:46 Sina92 wrote:
Why has he not been permabanned? It goes to remind us that we are not all equal here on Team Liquid.

Check his banlog HERE and you'll understand.

That's over the span of 4 years. It's pretty understandable that a frequent poster who's also a professional gamer would have some bans on hand. If that's all he's received over 4 years, it doesn't look bad at all.

Edit: He hasn't been perma banned because despite his attitude, he's a major part of the community and esports. He has a massive following and people love him for both his play and his persona.
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Ledcaveman
Profile Joined March 2011
100 Posts
May 08 2011 18:52 GMT
#1748
Heil TeamLiquid

User was temp banned for this post.
aruken
Profile Joined March 2011
France348 Posts
May 08 2011 18:52 GMT
#1749
first 2 days ban by chill looks absoluetly not deserved though...carebear much
scares
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany239 Posts
May 08 2011 18:52 GMT
#1750
On May 08 2011 07:51 Klogon wrote:
First of all, if Cruncher is proven to have cheated, we will take action. We have no problem taking action against even the most high profile of players (ex. Dimaga and TSL2/3) but try to do so with careful deliberation. Please do not think our actions here are simply us spitefully swinging a banhammer. You'd be surprised by the pages of discussions we have of actions that involve high-profile community members, Idra included.

Also, regarding the "harassing".

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On May 08 2011 07:05 Karthane wrote:
I don't necessarily think he was encouraging people to "harrass" them. He just said if you have a problem with it message Chill. Whatever though, in the end i think it's better to have IdrA here, streaming on TL. Brings more people here. Hell, he even got 20k to watch Sotg.


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On May 08 2011 07:20 Mysticvoid wrote:
I feel the 2 day ban was justified. Calling someone a waste a life is pretty low and should be punished. All fine and dandy, what I am not ok with is punishing someone for something they said outside of the forums. Idra didn't tell anyone to harass Chill, Idra said and I quote "wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you." Yes he did tell his fans to PM Chill, did he tell them to insult him or harass him? No he didnt and I'm sorry but if mods can't handle getting PMs from people maybe they should reconsider being mods.



Idra on his twitter tried to imply that by being banned, he could no longer stream. That was false. And if we assume he knew it was also false (he probably did), we can then assume that he was maliciously misleading his thousands of twitter followers into a rage against Chill. Thus I think it is fair to say Idra did encourage his fans to go harass Chill.


Just want to throw out their that assuming is not proving again. It's the same with the people "assuming" Cruncher cheated so shouldn't be a valid reason for a ban?
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Zerksys
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States569 Posts
May 08 2011 18:52 GMT
#1751
I'm an idra fan and I agree with the 2 day ban for calling out cruncher for being a waste of life. I do have to say on idra's behalf though that, if he thought cruncher was cheating by stream ghosting, that the response on TL was justified. Justified or not he shouldn't have posted it.

What I do not agree with is the 90 day ban. I went to his twitter and the only thing he said was "pm chill if this upsets you" (about his ban). It did not say "spam chill's inbox if this upsets you." It's inequivalent to writing to a congressman to express displeasure. The word "harassment" is thrown around way too much on this thread.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
May 08 2011 18:52 GMT
#1752
On May 09 2011 03:50 ratMortar wrote:
Can I get clarification on something? Was the 90 day ban a result of "everyone pm Chill if this upsets you"?

I'm guessing Chill was flooded with PMs bashing him and whatnot; it's expected from a forum of thousands. My question; were these people banned for 90 days as well?

From the OP of thread itself:

We spoke with Idra and he stated that he does not regret his actions and will not change his behavior on our forums. Thus, we've decided to ban him for 90 days. Regardless of whether he felt the 2-day ban was justified or not, we cannot tolerate a forum user publicly encouraging harassment of our moderators.
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Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
May 08 2011 18:54 GMT
#1753
What's there to discuss really? This thread is only a wasp's nests of trolls and banhammers.

Regarding the specific ban: I think a 90 day ban is a bit harsh for what he did alone but seeing his ban history any other user would have eaten a permaban MUCH EARLIER which sets a negative precedent. He's supposed to set an example here after all, being a progamer and whatnot. All the balance whining, trolling, plain insulting is really not a good thing to do if you have a role model function for so many players.

Atleast I hope people will take a bit less to IdrA in these things. The forum would be a better place for it
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 18:57:17
May 08 2011 18:55 GMT
#1754
On May 09 2011 03:46 Sina92 wrote:
Why has he not been permabanned? It goes to remind us that we are not all equal here on Team Liquid.

Check his banlog HERE and you'll understand.

It has been stated before that the only reason he hasn't been permbanned is because he is a pro player, and pro players get special treatment on TL.

On May 09 2011 03:50 TRG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 03:46 Sina92 wrote:
Why has he not been permabanned? It goes to remind us that we are not all equal here on Team Liquid.

Check his banlog HERE and you'll understand.

That's over the span of 4 years. It's pretty understandable that a frequent poster who's also a professional gamer would have some bans on hand. If that's all he's received over 4 years, it doesn't look bad at all.

Edit: He hasn't been perma banned because despite his attitude, he's a major part of the community and esports. He has a massive following and people love him for both his play and his persona.

Are you fucking kidding? You think that doesnt look bad? His ban history is the worst of any active poster by a significant margin. No one else comes close.
ratMortar
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada282 Posts
May 08 2011 18:56 GMT
#1755
On May 09 2011 03:52 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 03:50 ratMortar wrote:
Can I get clarification on something? Was the 90 day ban a result of "everyone pm Chill if this upsets you"?

I'm guessing Chill was flooded with PMs bashing him and whatnot; it's expected from a forum of thousands. My question; were these people banned for 90 days as well?

From the OP of thread itself:

Show nested quote +
We spoke with Idra and he stated that he does not regret his actions and will not change his behavior on our forums. Thus, we've decided to ban him for 90 days. Regardless of whether he felt the 2-day ban was justified or not, we cannot tolerate a forum user publicly encouraging harassment of our moderators.


Okay, but were the harassers banned for 90 days?

I'm just looking at this objectively. If there's a riot, you arrest the guy setting cars on fire, not the guy who's telling people to set cars on fire... Or you arrest both.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
May 08 2011 18:57 GMT
#1756
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davesc
Profile Joined May 2011
United States3 Posts
May 08 2011 18:57 GMT
#1757
Reason:
"We spoke with Idra and he stated that he does not regret his actions and will not change his behavior on our forums."

Bottom line [imo] -
Of corse he doesn't regret his actions, why would he? No point in holding that against him TL.

But since it's your forum, he won't change his behavior, he keeps doing stuff like this, etc. then I guess it's his own fault. But 90 days? wow.. you're going to ban him from streaming in the summer because of THIS? where sc could possibly get even more viewers consistently? seems a little much. I'd say 10 days but WOW. alll summer? holy crap... AND what about the fans?

over doing it in my opinion, he's a staple for the community and for your website, maybe that shouldn't be overlooked
War Horse
Profile Joined January 2011
United States247 Posts
May 08 2011 18:57 GMT
#1758
Is he really ever going to shape up? How many strikes does Idra get when it comes to harassing and mocking the staff, other players, and just generally being a dick on here. How many times has he been temp banned? At least 4, right?

Even if you guys banned him from posting and just left his stream link up, its not like he'd quit streaming out of spite; he wants the ad revenue dollars from his streams and the only way to get lots of viewers is to get it linked here.

Though if you really wanted to stick it to him you'd take his stream off the links, but that'd be meanspirited and vengeful.
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Number-J
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom52 Posts
May 08 2011 18:58 GMT
#1759
it still saddens me how totalitarian the teamliquid forums can be :/ for something that essentially IS the starcraft community it's a bit pathetic for 'admins' to over-react so much just because a number of people disagreed with his decision and demonstrated it through PM's. surely the admins should be the most objective people , and also if you are an admin who dishes out bans you can expect this kind of response and the onus is on you to ignore it
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 08 2011 18:58 GMT
#1760
On May 09 2011 03:50 TRG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 03:46 Sina92 wrote:
Why has he not been permabanned? It goes to remind us that we are not all equal here on Team Liquid.

Check his banlog HERE and you'll understand.

That's over the span of 4 years. It's pretty understandable that a frequent poster who's also a professional gamer would have some bans on hand. If that's all he's received over 4 years, it doesn't look bad at all.
It still looks bad, especially considering he had only gotten 4 actions prior to 2009. Him and CharlieMurphy are in a class of their own, and there is no one even remotely close.
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