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Hello, all!

It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.

Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.

Thanks,

Empyrean. Time stamp: 03:59 KST.
LinYu)Fury
Profile Joined September 2003
Norway200 Posts
May 08 2011 18:33 GMT
#1721
IdrA ^_^ no idea how many pm's you got chill, but when i read his twitter post, i just thought it was kinda funny :p (wrong, but in classic idra fasion tho ) i'll assume he acted like an idiot in the conversation that took place afterwards, but if not 90 days seemed pretty harsh. Little doubt in my eyes however that cruncher should also receive some sort of penatly. (sometimes suspcision is as good as proof, it was pretty obvious...)
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 08 2011 18:35 GMT
#1722
On May 09 2011 03:30 shinarit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 03:16 travis wrote:
On May 09 2011 03:14 MrBoysen wrote:
On May 08 2011 06:55 Seraphic wrote:
heh, oh please. Just because your a pro and have fans. It doesn't mean you can get away with harassment.

Grow up, maybe then people will actually like you more.


Well I for one like IdrA because he speaks his mind.. If you don't like it just ignore it, it's not that hard..


Yes, because ignoring idra's tweet somehow makes the hundreds of pms in chills inbox disappear, right?

It's a dumb thing to say anyways here. There are rules here. EVERYONE is supposed to follow them.


Well, the tweet accident happened AFTER his ban, right? So actually yeah, we would have avoid those hundreds of messages But i agree on the big picture, dont know why he keeps this up, maybe he is addicted to the forums and wants a forced break or idk. Great player, great mind, great words, but sometimes seems like he provokes people... he wouldnt have to have to prove anything.


Idra posted that cruncher was cheating (which isn't an ok thing to say, especially for a professional, when they don't even have any evidence... and don't argue about this there wasn't evidence - watch the replay).

Idra, in the same post, called him a "waste of life" and to "not give him attention[lol, the irony]".


And so he was banned for 2 days. Omg, 2 days, that's like forever.

Anyone, and I do mean anyone would have been banned for that if they had a posting history as bad as idra's.
Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
May 08 2011 18:36 GMT
#1723
On May 09 2011 03:33 LinYu)Fury wrote:
IdrA ^_^ no idea how many pm's you got chill, but when i read his twitter post, i just thought it was kinda funny :p (wrong, but in classic idra fasion tho ) i'll assume he acted like an idiot in the conversation that took place afterwards, but if not 90 days seemed pretty harsh. Little doubt in my eyes however that cruncher should also receive some sort of penatly. (sometimes suspcision is as good as proof, it was pretty obvious...)


Yea sure while you at it why dont we just redo the hole system of justice. Who needs a trial and actual evidence lets just hang the man, so much easier..

keeblur
Profile Joined April 2010
United States826 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 18:37:55
May 08 2011 18:36 GMT
#1724
On May 09 2011 03:33 LinYu)Fury wrote:
IdrA ^_^ no idea how many pm's you got chill, but when i read his twitter post, i just thought it was kinda funny :p (wrong, but in classic idra fasion tho ) i'll assume he acted like an idiot in the conversation that took place afterwards, but if not 90 days seemed pretty harsh. Little doubt in my eyes however that cruncher should also receive some sort of penatly. (sometimes suspcision is as good as proof, it was pretty obvious...)


Assume much?
Isn't it ironic and selfish to say that God made man in his image, when God was made in man's image?
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
May 08 2011 18:36 GMT
#1725
On May 09 2011 03:32 Luigy wrote:
Show nested quote +
[B]
Cruncher who is obviously no where near as good as idra,


That is a tiny bit hard to imagine when you think about Cruncher won


wow just read what you said there......

idra lost to cruncher so cruncher >>> idra

are you serious? Look! ret beat MC in NASL, that means ret >>> mc

think about what youre saying before you say it
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
May 08 2011 18:36 GMT
#1726
Holy flapping fishes, 87 pages already?
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 08 2011 18:37 GMT
#1727
On May 09 2011 03:31 buldermar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 03:16 travis wrote:
On May 09 2011 03:14 MrBoysen wrote:
On May 08 2011 06:55 Seraphic wrote:
heh, oh please. Just because your a pro and have fans. It doesn't mean you can get away with harassment.

Grow up, maybe then people will actually like you more.


Well I for one like IdrA because he speaks his mind.. If you don't like it just ignore it, it's not that hard..


Yes, because ignoring idra's tweet somehow makes the hundreds of pms in chills inbox disappear, right?

It's a dumb thing to say anyways here. There are rules here. EVERYONE is supposed to follow them.


Everyone except the gods.. uhm sry I meant mods.


Actually the mods follow them too except in a few special exceptions. But even if they don't, so what? They are the freaking mods. And are you actually trying to complain that the mods behave poorly? Get real.
leakingpear
Profile Joined March 2006
United Kingdom302 Posts
May 08 2011 18:37 GMT
#1728
On May 09 2011 03:33 LinYu)Fury wrote:
(sometimes suspcision is as good as proof, it was pretty obvious...)


No.

Just no.
Luigy
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark43 Posts
May 08 2011 18:37 GMT
#1729
On May 09 2011 03:36 ThatGuy89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 03:32 Luigy wrote:
[B]
Cruncher who is obviously no where near as good as idra,


That is a tiny bit hard to imagine when you think about Cruncher won


wow just read what you said there......

idra lost to cruncher so cruncher >>> idra

are you serious? Look! ret beat MC in NASL, that means ret >>> mc

think about what youre saying before you say it


Obviously, at that time Ret must have been better than MC.
Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
May 08 2011 18:38 GMT
#1730
On May 09 2011 03:33 StarcraftXTZM wrote:
i wonder if Idra has something to do with these unstable servers.


And just when I was entirely sure nothing good can come out of this thread, you make me laugh.

Thank you, good sir!
Always smile~
GhiZ
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway7 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 18:49:44
May 08 2011 18:39 GMT
#1731
Isn't 90 days a bit harsh? I might get why he was banned, don't like how long he was banned for though
Mataru
Profile Joined June 2010
Norway356 Posts
May 08 2011 18:40 GMT
#1732
On May 09 2011 03:20 ThatGuy89 wrote:
also, im sure chill would have banned idra if he sneezed the wrong way. Idra does have the tendancey to flame chill (the combatex series comes to mind)

I always rated TL highly, but this is just very low of liquid, not surprised after tylers arrogant show on SOTG tbh, liquid are always gonna be sour towards EG now (even though EG did NOTHING wrong)

*awaits warn/ban hammer*


This has nothing to do with EG. Jesus we all like to watch Idra play, and on shows like SotG he seems really cool, if a taaaad biased, but this does not mean that he is somehow exempt to the rules that apply to EVERYONE who posts on TL.net.
Proud citizen of ESPORTS
smileyface22
Profile Joined May 2011
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 18:46:15
May 08 2011 18:40 GMT
#1733
To address this belief that he encouraged harassment of a moderator through twitter: honestly, I don't see how this is an issue. I've worked in print journalism and other forms of mass media; consequently, I've published controversial articles where a large subset of my market disagreed with my point-of-view (imagine issues like gay marriage, abortion, or Iraq) You know what they do? They write me to express their displeasure. They e-mail me and they send me letters. And about 1/5th of them are incredibly misled or incredibly insulting (or some savory stew of the two)--but that's the nature of the beast. That's how discourse works in the real world. I have no doubt Idra wanted to express his displeasure by having his supporters message Chill. But coming from the background that I do, I have real trouble connoting "PM Chill if you disagree" with "spam him insults." It's like saying you cannot tell the public to write their local politician if they disagree with him/her because a good portion of them will call him an idiot and spend their time penning insults. It's incredibly at odds for TL to proclaim their forums as a place of higher standard when they ignore such basic principles or assume to know intent. But this is TL's forums you might say, it is inappropriate to question it's moderators. Well that brings me to my second point.

Listen, I've always been somewhat of a gamer and fascinated with the growth of the E-sports scene in west. TL has done an extremely commendable thing the last 10 years, and their standards of conduct have kept their forums a place that warrants admiration. But the community is evolving, and TL needs to consider whether it's going to evolve with them. Broodwar in the west never even approached the amount of popularity sc2 already enjoys. A lot of people complain about Idra's behavior as being unprofessional/childish, yet the guy retains an enormous following and seems to get more everyday. Why? Because in addition to being pretty good, he actively breaks this Arthurian paradigm of the eastern gamer TL and the old-guard community loves so much: the no-emotion, perfectly mannered/polite automaton. Then you have Idra. Some people have said things akin to- " well if this was the real world, Idra would never get away with the things he does!" Please. Go to a basketball game with Kevin Garnett. Read player interviews before NFL Sunday. Go to a hockey game. On this internet forum, a pro can't call someone a "waste of life" when legitimately provoked (too much hyperbole to even be brooked as an actual insult) but athletes in that sport can actively try and pummel someone's face in as an aside to the actual game? Remove fighting from hockey and see how much their viewership drops.

TLDR. No man can have everything he wants the way he wants it. Decide on your philosophy now. Slightly improve upon the small box of viewership Broodwar enjoyed along with mimicking it's lofty ideals? Or recognize that players like Idra represent something a lot of people actually want to see, something that represents an avenue to achieve legitimacy in this hemisphere. Idra's fan club was at 500 (?) pages before it's lock? The next closest was what, 400+ pages behind? There's something there.

Also, continuing to feature Idra's stream while still banning him for 90 days is an efficient way of undermining your credibility on this issue. You and others disagree with the behavior he embodies....but you still value the accompanying traffic and viewership he brings to this website. Hmm. Despite all of TL's posturing, it seems they still understand the golden rule of cultivating any mass medium: viewers are all that matters.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
May 08 2011 18:41 GMT
#1734
On May 09 2011 03:37 Luigy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 03:36 ThatGuy89 wrote:
On May 09 2011 03:32 Luigy wrote:
[B]
Cruncher who is obviously no where near as good as idra,


That is a tiny bit hard to imagine when you think about Cruncher won


wow just read what you said there......

idra lost to cruncher so cruncher >>> idra

are you serious? Look! ret beat MC in NASL, that means ret >>> mc

think about what youre saying before you say it


Obviously, at that time Ret must have been better than MC.


think im done talking to you right now. This is just absurd logic.
I agree that you can say ret played better in that series but you just cannot say hes better then him..
if that were the case, every series in every tournament would be 2-0 or 3-0 or or 4-0

youd never have the 'worse' player taking a game off the 'better' player
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
May 08 2011 18:42 GMT
#1735
a huge portion of the posts make me sad and worried. I wish posters make sure they actually know what they are writing and try to get as much information as possible before posting anything at all. reflecting is usefull too! #dontfollowblindly
keep it deep! @zulison
sLiMpoweR
Profile Joined March 2009
United States430 Posts
May 08 2011 18:44 GMT
#1736
Really people? The absurdity of this thread astounds me. All the pro-idra people are all like "look hes so good, he should be able to do whatever he wants im such a blind fan that think what idra tells me to think." and all the idra-haters are all like "This guy is a shame, im sitting here on my high horse policing the internet because im so smart and amazing how could i possible be wrong"

Well guess what people? Your all wrong. Your wrong because there is no "right" answer. Its a moral dilemma. The matter of the fact is Idra and chill have a little war, chill banes idra, idra takes it a step to far (in tl's eyes) and sicks his pests on chill. Stop trying to win an un-winnable argument.
Team aMg
Luigy
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark43 Posts
May 08 2011 18:44 GMT
#1737
On May 09 2011 03:41 ThatGuy89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 03:37 Luigy wrote:
On May 09 2011 03:36 ThatGuy89 wrote:
On May 09 2011 03:32 Luigy wrote:
[B]
Cruncher who is obviously no where near as good as idra,


That is a tiny bit hard to imagine when you think about Cruncher won


wow just read what you said there......

idra lost to cruncher so cruncher >>> idra

are you serious? Look! ret beat MC in NASL, that means ret >>> mc

think about what youre saying before you say it


Obviously, at that time Ret must have been better than MC.


think im done talking to you right now. This is just absurd logic.
I agree that you can say ret played better in that series but you just cannot say hes better then him..
if that were the case, every series in every tournament would be 2-0 or 3-0 or or 4-0

youd never have the 'worse' player taking a game off the 'better' player


What i meant with it was, whether it was luck or what it was, he must have been playing better in that specific series. Else how the hell would he have won?
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
May 08 2011 18:45 GMT
#1738
I commend the moderators for this decision. Idra has been a terrible poster on this site for years. I do doubt this will change anything though. I am sure he will return in 90 days with the same attitude he has always had. Lets hope I am wrong and he finally matures.
ZaaaaaM
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1828 Posts
May 08 2011 18:45 GMT
#1739
How old is he, 12?
no dude, the question
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
May 08 2011 18:46 GMT
#1740
Why has he not been permabanned? It goes to remind us that we are not all equal here on Team Liquid.

Check his banlog HERE and you'll understand.
My penis is 15 inches long, I'm a Harvard professor and look better than Brad Pitt and Jake Gyllenhaal combined.
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