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famousswun
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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GiAx
Austria52 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:26 eMazing wrote: TeamLiquid doesn't want to be a reality show where they get users to the fact of petty drama. They would just rather ban, what I call "drama queens", and continue on with there existence. IdrA is FAR from a Drama Queen; as he said many times over he just doesn't sugarcoat things; he just felt like Chill was an *** and acted like he saw fit; Personally i felt like the 2 day ban was deserved but this 90 day ban is not going to do anyone good; especially not Chill, and idra probably has a second account anyways | ||
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TheRhox
Canada868 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:28 famousswun wrote: Saying the stream was open and that Cruncher wasn't watching is like saying you got caught with a hooker in a hotel, but "didn't do anything." He was stream sniping, which is totally okay, lots of people do it and there's nothing wrong with it. | ||
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Whitebeard
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peterjj12
Portugal18 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:26 BurningSera wrote: if he apologized, he would be implying that he 'intended'.... If he didn't imply for Chill to get harassed why not just say, Sorry for that, I didn't mean for you to be harassed. And then say what he meant by his tweet. Its pretty fucking simple to understand that Idra wanted people to harass Chill. | ||
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Yurie
11780 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:28 Dysz wrote: why not cruncher banned btw? anyone knows? He did even more wrong As far as I know he (cruncher) did nothing at all wrong. Making it hard for me to see an insult (as done by Idra) as less than nothing. | ||
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eMazing
59 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:28 Dysz wrote: why not cruncher banned btw? anyone knows? He did even more wrong They do not have substantial proof that he cheated (which would also mean that he would get banned from future TL events) The proof that Cruncher is using for his innocence his much stronger than the evidence against him. | ||
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Phyxate
United States49 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:12 roknir wrote: I wonder why this hasn't been addressed in any way too. I echo this statement. Team Liquid is one hell of an amazing place for information and it's a shame that this thread can be unlocked, people post their opinions, and get "warned" for such small behavioral issues and/or difference in opinion. The logistics are way more important than this (preserving the integrity of the game). He obviously crossed the line saying cruncher was a "waste of life," but honestly this is only a language issue and at most should receive a 24 or 48 hour ban. People have different personalities and it's great for e-sports. There are some great mods on the forum that work hard to clean this place and there are others who unfortunately love to feel powerful so they constantly love to show that over the forums since they are not powerful/important in real life. And unfortunately, I lean toward thinking a lot of them do the latter. When it's all said and done at the end of the day, Idra IS good for e-sports regardless of how he decides to go about it. Look at how many viewers he gets on his stream. It IS a very poor decision to jump to banning someone for 90 days (wtf?) for a snarky comment he makes on a social networking site. You guys should really be focused on other issues and just lock or take this thread down. @Mods (some of them): Why not make people feel good instead of banning them or showing people how powerful you can be. Let's make people in e-sports, both new and old, feel welcome and show that we want to make others feel good and not just have them scared that every time they come to the forums and decide to disagree with people that they too will be banned. It's a turn off. TL;DR. If you want to do what's good for e-sports, let's address big issues such as cheating in-game, tournament structure, exposure, etc. These smaller issues such as banning players who are good for e-sports for making comments on twitter (even if it causes some drama) is just nothing but a power play in my opinion. Instead of banning and warning people constantly to show everyone who's boss, let's make other people feel good about themselves. Address all the issues and stop just banning anyone who disagrees with a mod on the forums. You left this thread open for a reason and people can disagree/have no opinion. If you want to warn a bunch of people who disagree just close the thread. Period. Edited: Someone corrected me about cruncher below so my apologies if he wasn't stream sniping. Point still stands it's a small issue to ban someone for 90 days for a snarky comment made on twitter. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:28 famousswun wrote: Saying the stream was open and that Cruncher wasn't watching is like saying you got caught with a hooker in a hotel, but "didn't do anything." Did you miss the whole stream sniping thing? | ||
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Dysz
Sweden26 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:28 famousswun wrote: Saying the stream was open and that Cruncher wasn't watching is like saying you got caught with a hooker in a hotel, but "didn't do anything." true. | ||
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Blardy
United States290 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:25 jmbthirteen wrote: Not apologizing for the harass that Chill received from it seems to me like he implied it. You can't blame him for what others did. He didn't force anyone to do anything. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:28 famousswun wrote: Saying the stream was open and that Cruncher wasn't watching is like saying you got caught with a hooker in a hotel, but "didn't do anything." lol @ all these terrible analogies. | ||
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:37 badDogma wrote: This is great! I'm going to throw a party tonight to celebrate the banning, and at midnight we will all burn an effigy of idra. In related news, this is going to be like miracle-grow for the SotG viewership this week. But seriously, I wish it was a perma-ban, but I'll take what I can get. He's bad for the credibility of the sport and should be exiled imo. ugh... the 'idra's bm is bad for esports' argument is so dumb. Most professional athletes are way more outspoken about their opinions on other players. In esports being a troll and bm is so looked down upon because usually its really annoying immature shit (combat -ex style bm) but there is a big difference with idra just calling a player out on being bad. It happens all the time in any other sport | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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Southlight
United States11766 Posts
In League of Legends, all the time we'll have a friend of a friend on a team that we'd not want to get matched against, and de-queue if we don't want to run into them. Or we'll have a friend we want to queue against, so we'll watch their status and when it says "In Queue" hit the button. This is what Cruncher did. This does not affect anything except that they played against each other. | ||
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gurrpp
United States437 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:21 BurningSera wrote: exactly. nobody knows if he implied anything. i'm guessing that idra didnt admit that he 'intended' to cause the harm. TL banned him for 3months. if he did admit but didnt apologize, he deserves it tho. Ok. TL mods let IdrA know that he is banned, but can still stream. They offer to automatically put up his stream every time it goes live. IdrA then tweets said tweet, informing his followers that chill/tl is responsible for him not streaming. When confronted about spreading said misinformation, IdrA refuses to apologize. At the very least he could have said, "hey i'm sorry that i misinformed my 18k twitter followers that tl is to blame for me not streaming this week". He didn't have to apologize for the first two day ban. I personally was pissed when I saw that tweet, until I saw a reddit post by kennigit clarifying the situation. So either he intentionally or unintentionally misinformed his audience. If it is unintentional the solution is simple: apologize and acknowledge that tl is not responsible for the stream. The only reason he would not want to apologize is if he intended to direct hate at chill in the first place. Just my two cents on the whole thing. IdrA's not dumb. He knows what he posts online is read by a lot of people and has implications for the community. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:31 Phyxate wrote: I echo this statement. Team Liquid is one hell of an amazing place for information and it's a shame that this thread can be unlocked, people post their opinions, and get "warned" for such small behavioral issues and/or difference in opinion. The logistics are way more important than this (preserving the integrity of the game). He obviously crossed the line saying cruncher was a "waste of life," but honestly this is only a language issue and at most should receive a 24 or 48 hour ban. People have different personalities. To ban Idra for swearing yet completely ignoring that Cruncher is using his stream to basically watch Idra's every move (how does this differ from map hacking) is quite ridiculous. There are some great mods on the forum that work hard to clean this place and there are others who unfortunately love to feel powerful so they constantly love to show that over the forums since they are not powerful/important in real life. And unfortunately, I lean toward thinking a lot of them do the latter. When it's all said and done at the end of the day, Idra IS good for e-sports regardless of how he decides to go about it. Look at how many viewers he gets on his stream. It IS a very poor decision to jump to banning someone for 90 days (wtf?) for a snarky comment he makes on a social networking site. You guys should really be focused on other issues and just lock or take this thread down. @Mods (some of them): Why not make people feel good instead of banning them or making them feel like sh*t. If you want Idra to genuinely change, take his comments and the others at team liquid into consideration. Cheating should NOT be allowed. Stream sniping IS dirty even if awesome people like Sheth don't mind it. TL;DR. If you want to do what's good for e-sports, let's address big issues such as cheating in-game, tournament structure, exposure, etc. These smaller issues such as banning players who are good for e-sports (even if it causes some drama) is just nothing but a power play in my opinion. Instead of banning and warning people constantly to show everyone who's boss, let's make other people feel good about themselves. Address all the issues and stop just banning anyone who disagrees with a mod on the forums. You left this thread open for a reason and people can disagree/have no opinion. If you want to warn a bunch of people who disagree just close the thread. Period. You are saying that Cruncher was stream watching, when there isn't definitive proof that he was. All we know is that he was stream sniping. That is why Cruncher hasn't been punished. | ||
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Tilorn
Serbia75 Posts
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