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Hello, all! It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully. Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil. Thanks, Empyrean. Time stamp: 03:59 KST. | ||
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waxypants
United States479 Posts
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XaCez
Sweden6991 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:03 KwarK wrote: I don't see how it's relevant. Idra reacted to a moderator acting within his rights by telling his minions that he couldn't stream because of the ban (not true) and to harass the mod about it instead of using the website feedback forum. This is a punishment for that, like a red card for a footballer who starts insulting the ref. I just wanted to be 100% certain, thanks for the answer. | ||
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TheRhox
Canada868 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:02 enexiss wrote: I don't really see the problem. Cruncher cheated, Idra was (understandably) upset about it. Chill temp banned and Idra told people to PM him if they have questions or a problem with it. Did Chill just not like that people think he made a bad call? I'm new to the community, but I don't think having your community be pro-cheater is good for a pro-gaming team. Do you? except there's no evidence to support that cruncher cheated. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:01 Supamang wrote: Complete bullshit. Heres the actual quote: "wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you" Dont try to spin that shit. Thats definitely "encouraging" his little band of sycophants to harass Chill. nowhere in there does he say to spam/harrass. You are the one spinning it into something it doesnt say because you want it to? Can a post get more ironic than this? | ||
lowallyn
Canada84 Posts
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SpiZz
112 Posts
 SC2 needs more white-ras! | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:02 ViperaViRuS wrote: Out of curiosity, how many PMs did Chill actually receive before the decision was made upon to temporarily ban for 90 days? In 20 hours, he received 178 PMs. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:03 Kralic wrote: TL just made a cent off you posting about it. His viewers are tied to his stream, not TL website. TL doesn't host the stream nor do they tap into IdrA's ad revenue. The TL ad's are the same as the website's ads and are not injected into his stream. you would see the same ad if you were browsing the forums. We also removed the TL ad from his stream embed page. | ||
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meep
United States1699 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:00 CheAse wrote: I'm losing more and more respect for Idra. Eventually the only fans hes going to have left are the degenerate trolls. What a waste Because he called someone a name? Really? | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:11 autosuggested wrote: Poll: Were the TL mods correct to temp-ban Idra for 90 days? Hell-yeah! Idra needs to be taught a lesson for his BM. (586) Hell-no! The TL mods completely overreacted. (539) Who are these Idra and Chill people that keep cluttering up my SC2 forums at the moment? (61) 1186 total votes Your vote: Were the TL mods correct to temp-ban Idra for 90 days? (Vote): Hell-yeah! Idra needs to be taught a lesson for his BM. Let's recap the situation: 1) Cruncher takes a game off Idra, Idra takes it as a coinflip loss and is in the next game within seconds. 2) Someone accuses Cruncher of stream-cheating. 3) Cruncher responds with a statement that a) says he "sniped" Idra which can be interpreted as he stream-cheated to take down Idra while he meant that he used Idra's stream to search at the same time, b) makes fun of "Idra fanboys", effectively gloating. 4) All hell breaks loose on TL regarding the accusation that Cruncher is stream-cheating. 5) Idra responds to say that people should not react to the accusations and adds an insult calling Cruncher a "waste of life." - the phrasing being ambiguous enough that pages of discussion have ensued to try to construe the statement in more benign or malevolent ways. 6) Chill bans Idra for 2 days for the insult. 7) Idra tweets and Chill posts to ask for PM's from those that feel Idra was wronged. He also refuses to stream with commentary, linking it directly to Chill's ban. (Idra's language is brief (tweet) so it effectively goads people into trolling Chill.) 8) Idra's fan club and everything else to do with Idra or banning becomes one huge flamewar, resulting in numerous straight-bans, Idra's fan club being closed (temporarily) and much more grief. 9) The situation becomes relatively calm, there's hope that Idra's fan club will reopened soon. 10) Nazgul bans Idra for 90 days, all hell breaks loose again. Those ten statements should give a barely adequate and hopefully unbiased summary of the events. The conclusions I would like to draw are twofold. Firstly, Chill and Nazgul acted correctly in terms of rules, in fact, creativity was needed to act quite as leniently as they did. I think it's fair to say that in terms of moderation, the did the right thing. Secondly, the consequences of those right actions were very unpleasant and sad. Viewers lost Idra's streaming with commentary, fan clubs and other streams became unusable, many people got bans, and TL mods have their hands full. I'd like to reiterate my suggestion that the antipathy between TL and Idra has reached the stage of becoming an antinomy, and thus no simple, straightforward actions remain to solve it. A new direction might be needed to deal with the situation in such a way that viewers would no longer suffer from the continuous insults/bans being exchanged by TL and Idra. I do not know which solution this is, nor whether it is attainable, but I beg the TL mods to take the harder and more mature first step to sit down with Idra, and, over a longer period, talk things through. Perhaps the antipathy can be resolved once and for all, while I fear that doing the what either party sees as the "right thing to do" will always lead to regrettable consequences. P.S. Writing this post probable made me miss several pages of this thread. Edit: "I forgot to add that Idra also claimed "of course [Crucher] cheated" thus he also insulted Cruncher in this way. | ||
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[Atomic]Peace
United States451 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:04 MaestroSC wrote: nowhere in there does he say to spam/harrass. You are the one spinning it into something it doesnt say because you want it to? Can a post get more ironic than this? You're cheapening the conversation with this argument. The subtext of Idra's tweet is clear; he wants his upset fans to PM Chill is large numbers. | ||
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KwarK
United States42716 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:04 MaestroSC wrote: nowhere in there does he say to spam/harrass. You are the one spinning it into something it doesnt say because you want it to? Can a post get more ironic than this? Nothing about the ban stops him streaming. He's punishing his viewers and telling them to spam pm a mod if they don't like it when he knows that the website feedback forum exists. It's totally out of line. | ||
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iTzBouNCeRyo
United States1 Post
and all he said was the situation on twitter, that he was banned and if it upsets you to message chill he didn't say to harass chill at all then we have this idiot cruncher who has neck fat that makes it look like hes smiling 24/7 so he thinks its cool to make "  " faceswho wouldn't remind that bowl cut fatass that he's a waste of life User was banned for this post. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
Yeah he received a lot but there were quite a few positive ones I think, was like unwrapping presents and not knowing if it was an N64 or pile of dung. | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
Why is he even part of this community? Has he done ANYTHING for TL forums in last um..let's 2 years to be treated this way? Anytime I see his post it usually consists of bitter and mean comments. So my question is - what would he have to do to get perma banned? I also don't agree in general with having banned people's streams listed here. You can say it's an "information resource", but it still serves as huge advertisement for them (I think it generates around 80 % of viewers) and I don't think they deserve it, | ||
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enexiss
8 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:04 TheRhox wrote: except there's no evidence to support that cruncher cheated. Except that he was watching the stream? What, we're supposed to take his word that he's "Not cheating, honest!" even though he's in the stream and blind counters? Even aside from that, I don't see why having Idra direct people with concerns to the moderator who made the call is wrong. | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:02 LeatherGracket wrote: Why is this even a thread? I think we should all collectively give Idra less attention for his BM. This sort of behavior might actually encourage more BM rather than give him a time-out to reflect on the consequences of his actions. Yeah, but people would have noticed anyway, so a lot of threads would have spawned then and this prevented it from happening. Anyway, I think they should ban IdrA for good(and never let him come back). They are always too lenient even though he crossed the line way too many times. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:59 Exley wrote: This type of draconian moderation sparks unnecesary drama If anything, there's not enough drama because of it | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
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