Idra Banned for 90 Days - Page 111

On May 09 2011 08:18 jaiiiii wrote:
I'm not quite sure how so many of you are rushing to idra's defense in this case. He's stated multiple times that he wants to be involved in making SC2 big in NA.

On May 09 2011 08:12 cavalier117 wrote:
Ill be the first to admit i didnt read every single post in the 4+ thread dedicated to this topic atm, but one thing i keep seeing is "people only watch IdrA to see him rage", or only 12 year old watch him"

id just like to point out ( and im sure there are literally thousands of other fans who agree.) that i watch IdrA because he has without a doubt the best mechanics of any player who currently streams, has amazing depth perception in terms of scouting(half the time, hes so good, he can tell what they are doing by the smallest things, no scans or observers needed) and of course amazing unit control. and this is without his commentary( that brings it to a whole new level)

people love to throw the rage word anytime his name comes up, but seriously who cares? i dont watch Streamers to see if they type "gg or glhf" every game. i want to see them play. and other than the usual trolls in Justin.TV chat (and there really isnt alot of them, just seems like it) im sure so do other people. yes, he sometimes says amusing comments to other players( that usually minutely offensive at best compared to what people tell each other in RL. i dont think a day goes by where at least one random jackass threatens my life in some way) but people dont actually watch him steam for 2 hours at a time to pick up maybe 3 total sentences of his remarks. they watch him play bc hes the best damn player in NA.

some watch for entertainment, some watch to learn. some watch to see him dominate (please make a smurf IdrA for the next TL attack lolz)

but i seriously doubt more than 1% of his 18k viewers watch for BM. i find it disturbing how this hasnt seemed to come up yet.

TL:DR people watch IdrA bc hes an amazing player. noone really gives a shit about his dialogue in games, stop kidding yourselves

On May 09 2011 08:00 Asparagus wrote:


Idrajit- "wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you"

Azarkon- "Blame my not streaming on chill, all my pissed off viewers do something about it because this is my way of getting back at chill. I acknowledge this will cause a riot and I have no remorse"

what are you smoking to get that interpretation off the original twitter.

On May 09 2011 08:31 IntoTheWow wrote:


Asparagus- "I didn't read the thread, but I still feel entitled to make fun of someone else".

On May 09 2011 08:38 Redox wrote:
This thread is redefining the term nerd rage.

Makes me embarrassed to be a sc fan tbh.

On May 09 2011 07:59 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:


I agree. CrunCher is the reason IdrA was banned in the first place (IdrA would not have made his comment regarding CrunCher had the latter not been trolling him) and yet he gets no punishment whatsoever. Trolls should be banned. CrunCher trolled. He's not banned. What's wrong with this picture?

On May 09 2011 08:41 cheesemaster wrote:
Needed to be done I know idra is still pretty young, but he acts even younger than his age. Its like he never outgrew that highschool mentality. I bet most of his fans that are trolling are of similair age and maturity otherwise they would realise he was being immature and realise this type of behaviour shouldnt be tolerated by anyone. Im only 3 years older than idra and i think i used to act in a similair manner maybe when i as 19 or so but eventually i realised how stupid it was and that its going to get you no where in life. obviously hes a great player (so hes gone somewhere with that) and because hes somewhat of a celebrity in the sc2 community any innapropriate acts by him will gain him some infamy (popularity?). Lindsay lohan is to hollywood as idra is to the sc2 community. And who respects lindsay lohan?

On May 09 2011 08:20 Kamikazess wrote:






IdrA said he did it with the intention to annoy Chill. He knew, beforehand, what probably would happen and did what he did, trying to annoy Chill.

On May 09 2011 08:22 Asparagus wrote:

you can pick apart my very simple examples as much as you want, place them in whatever area you want, be it an alley or a local bar, the mall etc. put the tone in which I'm speaking to my friends about my boss in whatever context or anger, or middle eastern accent, because in simple examples like that you can read it a million ways and have a million different situations and exceptions. just like you can read a million different ways "wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you" into whatever action the individual might take towards chill.

Idra didn't give a shit or a second thought as to what those actions may be, that's chills problem and he knew chill would be annoyed. How this relates to trolling, and how if it does relate, cruncher's trolling of idra makes a big difference, as combatex's trolling of incontrol outside of TL jurisdiction brought a ban, it should rightfully be so for cruncher.

On May 09 2011 08:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:


Let's go over your examples still you are so keen not to do them:

A) You would not be charged for murder but you would be charged for involvement and failing to make your actual intentions known, maybe criminally negligent manslaughter if the evidence is bad enough. Probably not since it wasn't your intention for others to hear those words in the first place.
B) You would not be charged for anything.

AGAIN this relates back to putting a price on someone's head as a comparison to this situation. You are not carrying out the possible death, you are not telling people to carry out the possible death. However you are doing something that will inspire people to hunt this individual down and kill them. You are inciting them to do so, thus you share in the responsibility of that individual's death.

So here are the primary things that justify the ban and its extension.

A) The ban is completely separated from the lack of streaming. In fact his stream will still be posted as a favored one. This is Idra's personal choice but he deliberately words it as if the ban itself prevents him from playing.
B) Idra does not specify the conditions by which anyone should PM Chill. In plainspeak, he doesn't say "PM Chill but please keep it civil"; "PM Chill with evidence and rational arguments showing that Cruncher was stream cheating"; "PM Chill but don't spam him". In a situation like this he takes no responsibility for limiting any potential wrongdoing or absolving himself from any wrongdoing, and at the very least he could do the latter by making his command more descriptive. Which relates back to ---->
C) Idra posting this in the public sphere instead of appealing to people close to him to PM him the mods. If he did the latter and Machine and company trolled Chill, he would have the legitimate excuse of "I thought they would be serious but they were just being dicks, I intended for them to do something different". He is smart enough to know that on Twitter he cannot control who reads it and responds to it, but he is responsible for using his brain and not doing anything that could result in bull like this. At the very least he's neglectful and ignorant of his circumstances but:
D) Idra admits his intentions to Nazgul so any argument about intentions is utterly moot. And most importantly:
E) This entire fiasco plays itself out on TL and involves a TL mod being flooded with trolling. Therefore it falls under their jurisdiction to decide his punishment under their own rules.