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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
Thanks,
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On May 09 2011 07:54 Asparagus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:51 Kamikazess wrote:On May 09 2011 07:44 Asparagus wrote:On May 09 2011 07:42 Kamikazess wrote:On May 09 2011 07:38 Asparagus wrote:On May 09 2011 07:24 snarl wrote:On May 09 2011 07:20 MonkSEA wrote:On May 09 2011 07:17 snarl wrote:On May 09 2011 07:15 MonkSEA wrote:On May 09 2011 07:12 RoyalCheese wrote:
What people fail to realize is that Cruncher didn't troll/whateveryoucallit via TL and therefore TL staff has no right to take any actions against him. Idra however insulted him via tl forum and got banned. Pretty fair case, imo. (btw yes i am <3 idra) Then Mr. Awesome, why was IdrA banned for 90 days when he trolled someone off of the TL website? Your logic is incorrect and therefore redundant. Did you miss the part where he told his legion of fans to send the mod a pm knowing full well it would result in spam? And did you miss the part where if we're playing this on assumptions then CrunCher should be assumed of stream cheating? Regardless of IdrA saying that, he did not out-right say "Spam Chill and harass him" he said if the ban upset you then don't ask IdrA, ask Chill. Nazgul spoke with idra after the fact, did you not read the op? IF it wasn't idra's intention to get chill spam PM'd he could have apologised and the thing would have blown over. But it clearly was his intent since he said he did not regret his actions. So please stop..you're grasping at straws here. Reposting the example if you did not see it. I tell my friends my boss is a douchebag and that i will pay for someone to cut his head off. Someone eventually hears that, does it and asks for my money, so am I to blame if police saw the whole thing? I saw the lakers game I'm so infuriated with how they played today because I lose $300 on a bet. I'm actually so infuriated that I post on my facebook that they're failures and terrorists should blow their plane up. Their plane crashes and FBI is at my door, am I a terrorist? I enjoy how people make assumptions and judge in absolutes for some cases or dismiss them entirely, but to prove others we need empirical evidence else they're innocent. If the police saw the whole thing, and you tell them that it was your intention, yes, you're to blame. If the FBI goes to your house, and you tell them that your intention is to provoke a terrorist attack with your comment, yes, you're to blame and you're a terrorist. And IdrA did the exact same thing. He assumed that it was his intention, and didn't want to apologize. wow... your post is so wrong on so many levels... i'm a biology major and i know more law than you, how about that. so if I said it was my intent, and then apologized, i would be let go and the US government would deem me not a terrorist? get out. Well, you're trying to compare two absurd situations. The point I was trying to make is, if it was your intention to induce someone to do a wrong thing, you should be punished too. I'm pretty sure that you, as a biology major, know that being banned from TL is a bit less serious than to cause a terrorist attack. =) actually it works for any situation regardless how "less serious" it is. this is just questioning of the TL's rules, and how it's currently being applied. you would be informed if you actually read most of pages after 86ish. =)
It's your right to questionate the TL's rules and their application, but I don't see any reason to do that, as the situation was handled in a perfect and correct way. Of course, any IdrA fan didn't like the outcome, but it's the way things happens.
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On May 09 2011 07:56 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:54 Crawler wrote:On May 09 2011 07:03 Xacez wrote:
Trolling =! Stream sniping
Many players snipe, be it pro gamers or not, there is nothing wrong with it. Look at TotalBiscuit, who does daily streaming, he gets snipe'd about once a day, you don't see him complaining on TL about that. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=206261 Most people here probably see wall of text and won't even read so I'll quote his exact words: "Thanks. I feel awesome. After he left I just started laughing uncontrollably and thinking how much he was raging.""I actually do not even know where all his rage comes from, but it is hilarious. Whenever I match him on ladder I just cheese him to get him to rage, so maybe from there? He rages at everyone he loses to, so who knows. But I have zero respect for a player like Idra.""Right before he left I made a smiley face just to get him to rage more. After every game he kept trash talking, even after he lost the first game. I couldn't think of anything better than just a smiley face to get him to rage. And after he left the game I just started laughing. I couldn't even imagine how upset he was."Yeh.. Looks like a normal progamer who just wants to be good like all the mods say. Spending your free time just to get someone rage by cheesing of forcing him to kill every building on map. I was seriously surprised when Idra recieved 2 day ban and cruncher wasn't even warned.. I understand 90 day ban from mod perspective tho. Can't emphasize how good this post is in providing evidence toward CrunCher's intent to troll IdrA. He clearly wants to get a rise out of IdrA, and he deliberately did so during the stream incident. I simply don't think it's fair that he isn't getting some sort of punishment for that, since the blame lies with both sides.
I agree. CrunCher is the reason IdrA was banned in the first place (IdrA would not have made his comment regarding CrunCher had the latter not been trolling him) and yet he gets no punishment whatsoever. Trolls should be banned. CrunCher trolled. He's not banned. What's wrong with this picture?
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On May 09 2011 07:24 Angelo Corsino wrote:
TL is lame, its going down hill pretty fast and is light years behind other sites forum wise
Thank you for posting; you're welcome to leave.
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On May 09 2011 07:56 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:48 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2011 07:44 Azarkon wrote:On May 09 2011 07:40 HolyArrow wrote:
Is it really against the rules to "incite" against Chill when the nature of the "inciting" merely entails PMing to protest a ban, which seems to be within the rules of TL? Like someone else said, if a mod bans someone and it is within the rules to PM that mod if one thinks the ban is unjust, it is the mod's burden to deal with those PMs, and even if IdrA wanted to annoy Chill, it was ultimately the actual people who PM'd Chill with the intent to troll who are to blame. Like I said earlier, people could have easily PM'd Chill with rational, well-thought out arguments, and it's not IdrA's fault that many people didn't do that. 1. Idra didn't tell his fans to ask for his unbanning. He told his fans to bitch to Chill about him not streaming for the next two days (which isn't even up to Chill). Read what he said on twitter. 2. The TL staff went and talked to Idra afterward to verify what he wanted to happen. He admitted that he wanted to annoy Chill and that he doesn't regret it. This is the reason for the ban. That's just differences in how we interpret the twitter post. "PM Chill if my ban upsets you" can easily be interpreted as "PM Chill if you think my ban was unjust and want to argue against it". As for point number 2, I have acknowledged the fact that IdrA admitted to intending to annoy Chill. I believe I address that point in the post you quote. The key point here is not solely IdrA's intent - it's whether or not asking people to PM a mod if they think your ban is unjust (even if you intend those PMs to annoy the mod) is against the rules or not, since PMing a mod to express an opinion about a wrongful ban is not against the rules at all. The inciter of a riot takes the brunt of the responsibility. Personally, I think you're arguing petty details for the sake of muddying the waters. It's not that we're ignoring you - it's that your argument just isn't that good. Idra decided to make a point by blaming his not streaming on Chill and inciting his pissed off viewers to "do something about it." He acknowledged getting back at Chill was his intent afterward and showed no remorse. In response, TL decided to give him a 90 day timeout. That's all there is to it.
Idrajit- "wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you"
Azarkon- "Blame my not streaming on chill, all my pissed off viewers do something about it because this is my way of getting back at chill. I acknowledge this will cause a riot and I have no remorse"
what are you smoking to get that interpretation off the original twitter.
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On May 09 2011 07:49 Packeteer wrote:
Idra rises again!
Help, my computer has been hacked by Idra. He was looking at my stream while I played him and he got my TL password! He is typing this very message right now. HALP!
User was warned for this post
No seriously! Does anyone know how to break a neural parasite? Idra has control of my computer, it all started with a little stream cheating but now the shit has hit the fan. Whats a good PvZ counter to infestors with NP, my HT are not doing the trick!
User was temp banned for this post.
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I can't say I shed any tears over this ban.
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ITT: People think Idra was banned for his Twitter post.
There's a reason why everybody is saying it was in TL's jurisdiction to ban him >.<
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On May 09 2011 07:58 HolyArrow wrote:
The thing is that a riot entails illegal actions - violence, destruction of property, etc. "Inciting" people to PM Chill is a far more grey area, since PMing a mod to talk about why one thinks a moderation is unjust is not illegal.
I'm sorry that you think I'm arguing petty things, but I think I'm making valid points.
This is where Nazgul's talk with Idra comes in. It's one thing to assign motivation to Idra where none exists, another to insist that it was not his motivation when he declared that it was. Idra and Chill have somewhat of a history, too, and Idra has never failed to show his disdain for TL's moderator staff. I imagine Nazgul went over this with Idra quite clearly before making the decision to ban him. It's unlikely to be a simple case of misunderstanding Idra's intentions.
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On May 09 2011 07:59 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:56 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2011 07:54 Crawler wrote:On May 09 2011 07:03 Xacez wrote:
Trolling =! Stream sniping
Many players snipe, be it pro gamers or not, there is nothing wrong with it. Look at TotalBiscuit, who does daily streaming, he gets snipe'd about once a day, you don't see him complaining on TL about that. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=206261 Most people here probably see wall of text and won't even read so I'll quote his exact words: "Thanks. I feel awesome. After he left I just started laughing uncontrollably and thinking how much he was raging.""I actually do not even know where all his rage comes from, but it is hilarious. Whenever I match him on ladder I just cheese him to get him to rage, so maybe from there? He rages at everyone he loses to, so who knows. But I have zero respect for a player like Idra.""Right before he left I made a smiley face just to get him to rage more. After every game he kept trash talking, even after he lost the first game. I couldn't think of anything better than just a smiley face to get him to rage. And after he left the game I just started laughing. I couldn't even imagine how upset he was."Yeh.. Looks like a normal progamer who just wants to be good like all the mods say. Spending your free time just to get someone rage by cheesing of forcing him to kill every building on map. I was seriously surprised when Idra recieved 2 day ban and cruncher wasn't even warned.. I understand 90 day ban from mod perspective tho. Can't emphasize how good this post is in providing evidence toward CrunCher's intent to troll IdrA. He clearly wants to get a rise out of IdrA, and he deliberately did so during the stream incident. I simply don't think it's fair that he isn't getting some sort of punishment for that, since the blame lies with both sides. I agree. CrunCher is the reason IdrA was banned in the first place (IdrA would not have made his comment regarding CrunCher had the latter not been trolling him) and yet he gets no punishment whatsoever. Trolls should be banned. CrunCher trolled. He's not banned. What's wrong with this picture?
So if I log onto Sc2 right now, and troll you, I should be banned from Team Liquid? Or how about, if I found your Fb and trolled you there, should I be banned on Team Liquid? To say Trolls should be banned is incredibly vague.
CrunCher trolled IdrA in Starcraft II; IdrA responded in a post on Team Liquid, and than further intentionally sought out his followers to Pm Chill to annoy him who is a Mod on Team Liquid. So, do you see a difference?
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On May 09 2011 08:03 Packeteer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:49 Packeteer wrote:
Idra rises again!
Help, my computer has been hacked by Idra. He was looking at my stream while I played him and he got my TL password! He is typing this very message right now. HALP!
User was warned for this post No seriously! Does anyone know how to break a neural parasite? Idra has control of my computer, it all started with a little stream cheating but now the shit has hit the fan. Whats a good PvZ counter to infestors with NP, my HT are not doing the trick!
I can help you, calm down sir. I know that balance discussion is an auto ban but seriously just use Collussus/Void Ray, that shit's IMBA!
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On May 09 2011 07:56 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:54 Crawler wrote:On May 09 2011 07:03 Xacez wrote:
Trolling =! Stream sniping
Many players snipe, be it pro gamers or not, there is nothing wrong with it. Look at TotalBiscuit, who does daily streaming, he gets snipe'd about once a day, you don't see him complaining on TL about that. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=206261 Most people here probably see wall of text and won't even read so I'll quote his exact words: "Thanks. I feel awesome. After he left I just started laughing uncontrollably and thinking how much he was raging.""I actually do not even know where all his rage comes from, but it is hilarious. Whenever I match him on ladder I just cheese him to get him to rage, so maybe from there? He rages at everyone he loses to, so who knows. But I have zero respect for a player like Idra.""Right before he left I made a smiley face just to get him to rage more. After every game he kept trash talking, even after he lost the first game. I couldn't think of anything better than just a smiley face to get him to rage. And after he left the game I just started laughing. I couldn't even imagine how upset he was."Yeh.. Looks like a normal progamer who just wants to be good like all the mods say. Spending your free time just to get someone rage by cheesing of forcing him to kill every building on map. I was seriously surprised when Idra recieved 2 day ban and cruncher wasn't even warned.. I understand 90 day ban from mod perspective tho. Can't emphasize how good this post is in providing evidence toward CrunCher's intent to troll IdrA. He clearly wants to get a rise out of IdrA, and he deliberately did so during the stream incident. I simply don't think it's fair that he isn't getting some sort of punishment for that, since the blame lies with both sides.
I agree with this but I don't think the mods shouldn't really do anything to cruncher because of it. The community should just realize he an annoying troll and shouldn't be taken seriously at all. The mods were correct in this decision imo, its up to the community at large to determine if Cruncher deserves a grain of respect at all....
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On May 09 2011 08:04 Nilrem wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:59 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On May 09 2011 07:56 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2011 07:54 Crawler wrote:On May 09 2011 07:03 Xacez wrote:
Trolling =! Stream sniping
Many players snipe, be it pro gamers or not, there is nothing wrong with it. Look at TotalBiscuit, who does daily streaming, he gets snipe'd about once a day, you don't see him complaining on TL about that. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=206261 Most people here probably see wall of text and won't even read so I'll quote his exact words: "Thanks. I feel awesome. After he left I just started laughing uncontrollably and thinking how much he was raging.""I actually do not even know where all his rage comes from, but it is hilarious. Whenever I match him on ladder I just cheese him to get him to rage, so maybe from there? He rages at everyone he loses to, so who knows. But I have zero respect for a player like Idra.""Right before he left I made a smiley face just to get him to rage more. After every game he kept trash talking, even after he lost the first game. I couldn't think of anything better than just a smiley face to get him to rage. And after he left the game I just started laughing. I couldn't even imagine how upset he was."Yeh.. Looks like a normal progamer who just wants to be good like all the mods say. Spending your free time just to get someone rage by cheesing of forcing him to kill every building on map. I was seriously surprised when Idra recieved 2 day ban and cruncher wasn't even warned.. I understand 90 day ban from mod perspective tho. Can't emphasize how good this post is in providing evidence toward CrunCher's intent to troll IdrA. He clearly wants to get a rise out of IdrA, and he deliberately did so during the stream incident. I simply don't think it's fair that he isn't getting some sort of punishment for that, since the blame lies with both sides. I agree. CrunCher is the reason IdrA was banned in the first place (IdrA would not have made his comment regarding CrunCher had the latter not been trolling him) and yet he gets no punishment whatsoever. Trolls should be banned. CrunCher trolled. He's not banned. What's wrong with this picture? So if I log onto Sc2 right now, and troll you, I should be banned from Team Liquid? Or how about, if I found your Fb and trolled you there, should I be banned on Team Liquid? To say Trolls should be banned is incredibly vague. CrunCher trolled IdrA in Starcraft II; IdrA responded in a post on Team Liquid, and than further intentionally sought out his followers to Pm Chill to annoy him who is a Mod on Team Liquid. So, do you see a difference?
TL has previously taken moderation for actions outside TL's jurisdiction (CombatEx's harassment)
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People saying the wrong thing, again, again and again.
Cruncher trolled IdrA OUTSIDE TL. IdrA's bannable offense occurred INSIDE TL. This is the difference. It would be an atrocity to TL ban Cruncher for trolling someone in this person's stream, when this behavior had nothing to do with TL. IdrA's comment on Twitter had implications inside TL world, and this is the reason of the 90-day ban.
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On May 09 2011 08:04 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:58 HolyArrow wrote:
The thing is that a riot entails illegal actions - violence, destruction of property, etc. "Inciting" people to PM Chill is a far more grey area, since PMing a mod to talk about why one thinks a moderation is unjust is not illegal.
I'm sorry that you think I'm arguing petty things, but I think I'm making valid points. This is where Nazgul's talk with Idra comes in. It's one thing to assign motivation to Idra where none exists, another to insist that it was not his motivation when he declared that it was. Idra and Chill have somewhat of a history, too, and Idra has never failed to show his disdain for TL's moderator staff. I imagine Nazgul went over this with Idra quite clearly before making the decision to ban him. It's unlikely to be a simple case of misunderstanding Idra's intentions.
I've made my points, and at this point I feel like we're going in circles since we fundamentally disagree on how intent should factor into this. I'd rather just drop it now and let our points speak for themselves as others read what we're saying and form their own opinions.
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On May 09 2011 08:04 Packeteer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 08:03 Packeteer wrote:On May 09 2011 07:49 Packeteer wrote:
Idra rises again!
Help, my computer has been hacked by Idra. He was looking at my stream while I played him and he got my TL password! He is typing this very message right now. HALP!
User was warned for this post No seriously! Does anyone know how to break a neural parasite? Idra has control of my computer, it all started with a little stream cheating but now the shit has hit the fan. Whats a good PvZ counter to infestors with NP, my HT are not doing the trick! I can help you, calm down sir. I know that balance discussion is an auto ban but seriously just use Collussus/Void Ray, that shit's IMBA!
Thanks for the advice but that doesn't work. Idra will just stream cheat and see my lazer toss build and counter with fungals. I just feel zerg is so imbalanced when you have both larvae inject as well as multiple building select. What can we do to win this war against the Gracken!?
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I am intrigued as to how this discussion is revealing an underlining problem and that is the way TL is handling the massive influx in esports fans. I feel like TL is evolving in something it never wanted to be. TL set out to be a small BW community where everybody was mannered. Now that the audience is growing and the enthusiasm rises, the drama rises as well and the strict ruling which was previously beneficial is now (in my opinion) counter productive. Its like organizing a football game and then asking all the fans to sit still and keep the noise to a minimum. It maybe works in a small friendly game but not in the superbowl. If you want viewers, increase the drama I would say. Now if TL doesn't want that (which is their decision and perfectly fine by me) they should be even more strict. But there should be an alternative forum where at least some bm-ing is allowed and there is none at the moment. my 2cents
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On May 09 2011 08:00 Asparagus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:56 Azarkon wrote:On May 09 2011 07:48 HolyArrow wrote:On May 09 2011 07:44 Azarkon wrote:On May 09 2011 07:40 HolyArrow wrote:
Is it really against the rules to "incite" against Chill when the nature of the "inciting" merely entails PMing to protest a ban, which seems to be within the rules of TL? Like someone else said, if a mod bans someone and it is within the rules to PM that mod if one thinks the ban is unjust, it is the mod's burden to deal with those PMs, and even if IdrA wanted to annoy Chill, it was ultimately the actual people who PM'd Chill with the intent to troll who are to blame. Like I said earlier, people could have easily PM'd Chill with rational, well-thought out arguments, and it's not IdrA's fault that many people didn't do that. 1. Idra didn't tell his fans to ask for his unbanning. He told his fans to bitch to Chill about him not streaming for the next two days (which isn't even up to Chill). Read what he said on twitter. 2. The TL staff went and talked to Idra afterward to verify what he wanted to happen. He admitted that he wanted to annoy Chill and that he doesn't regret it. This is the reason for the ban. That's just differences in how we interpret the twitter post. "PM Chill if my ban upsets you" can easily be interpreted as "PM Chill if you think my ban was unjust and want to argue against it". As for point number 2, I have acknowledged the fact that IdrA admitted to intending to annoy Chill. I believe I address that point in the post you quote. The key point here is not solely IdrA's intent - it's whether or not asking people to PM a mod if they think your ban is unjust (even if you intend those PMs to annoy the mod) is against the rules or not, since PMing a mod to express an opinion about a wrongful ban is not against the rules at all. The inciter of a riot takes the brunt of the responsibility. Personally, I think you're arguing petty details for the sake of muddying the waters. It's not that we're ignoring you - it's that your argument just isn't that good. Idra decided to make a point by blaming his not streaming on Chill and inciting his pissed off viewers to "do something about it." He acknowledged getting back at Chill was his intent afterward and showed no remorse. In response, TL decided to give him a 90 day timeout. That's all there is to it. Idrajit- "wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you" Azarkon- "Blame my not streaming on chill, all my pissed off viewers do something about it because this is my way of getting back at chill. I acknowledge this will cause a riot and I have no remorse" what are you smoking to get that interpretation off the original twitter.
Quite simple - being banned from TL does not prevent you from streaming. Idra promised to stream for his viewers. He then told them he won't because he got banned from TL, and specifically named Chill as the person to PM, since Chill was the one who banned him. Put 2 and 2 together and it's obviously a vindictive move, as Hot_Bid said. His lack of remorse was stated by Liquid'Nazgul at the top of this thread.
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On May 09 2011 07:50 Asparagus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 07:46 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 09 2011 07:38 Asparagus wrote:On May 09 2011 07:24 snarl wrote:On May 09 2011 07:20 MonkSEA wrote:On May 09 2011 07:17 snarl wrote:On May 09 2011 07:15 MonkSEA wrote:On May 09 2011 07:12 RoyalCheese wrote:
What people fail to realize is that Cruncher didn't troll/whateveryoucallit via TL and therefore TL staff has no right to take any actions against him. Idra however insulted him via tl forum and got banned. Pretty fair case, imo. (btw yes i am <3 idra) Then Mr. Awesome, why was IdrA banned for 90 days when he trolled someone off of the TL website? Your logic is incorrect and therefore redundant. Did you miss the part where he told his legion of fans to send the mod a pm knowing full well it would result in spam? And did you miss the part where if we're playing this on assumptions then CrunCher should be assumed of stream cheating? Regardless of IdrA saying that, he did not out-right say "Spam Chill and harass him" he said if the ban upset you then don't ask IdrA, ask Chill. Nazgul spoke with idra after the fact, did you not read the op? IF it wasn't idra's intention to get chill spam PM'd he could have apologised and the thing would have blown over. But it clearly was his intent since he said he did not regret his actions. So please stop..you're grasping at straws here. Reposting the example if you did not see it. I tell my friends my boss is a douchebag and that i will pay for someone to cut his head off. Someone eventually hears that, does it and asks for my money, so am I to blame if police saw the whole thing? I saw the lakers game I'm so infuriated with how they played today because I lose $300 on a bet. I'm actually so infuriated that I post on my facebook that they're failures and terrorists should blow their plane up. Their plane crashes and FBI is at my door, am I a terrorist? I enjoy how people make assumptions and judge in absolutes for some cases or dismiss them entirely, but to prove others we need empirical evidence else they're innocent. The first situation, yes. The second situation, no. Please use better examples to support your non-existent arguments. wrong. you can't kill someone, point the finger and drag someone else into the blame because "he said he'd pay me to", unless you met with the person, agreed to the pay to have that person murdered. that's generally how it works in reality. the intent is that you wanted him dead, but evidence of neither an arranged agreement or your actual involvement in the murder would make you innocent. *edit* cmon dude i just realized this was in law abiding citizen, you can really really want someone dead, love to have someone dead and even plan out that person's murder in your head but if you don't have any proof that you did it you're good to go. IdrA twittered his angst and his fans followed, he knew chill would be annoyed by the masses peckering him and that increased the ban length. where is this in the rules?
You misinterpreted my post as I knew you would.
With the lack of details in the first situation, there's no reason to assume that you were not serious about your offer. If you added "jokingly" or some other qualifier then it's a matter of someone taking your words out of context. Of course the other crucial point is that the announcement is made in a private setting and wasn't meant to be heard outside of it. However this don't automatically exclude you from punishment either although you cannot be punished for killing the individual. Idra did not make his announcement in a private setting and did it with the forehand knowledge that some people would harass Chill after they read it.
The second situation is completely different since the rage and the incident are pointed out to be caused by separate things. They just happened to coincide. Yet people didn't just decide to harass Chill on the same day Idra posted his tweet.
A far more accurate (but still skewed) comparison is that of putting a price on someone's head. You are not directly commissioning someone to do the hit, but you are putting the offer in the "public sphere" with the foreknowledge that people will respond to it.
If Idra wanted people to petition TL he could have went to *shock* his teammates instead of random fans whose actions he cannot predict. He may be rude and sometimes immature but he's not dumb.
Actually if that was how it worked in reality no one would ever be accused of hiring assassins. Do you even know how this kind of stuff works?
That's a movie. -_-
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On May 09 2011 08:06 Kamikazess wrote:
People saying the wrong thing, again, again and again.
Cruncher trolled IdrA OUTSIDE TL. IdrA's bannable offense occurred INSIDE TL. This is the difference. It would be an atrocity to TL ban Cruncher for trolling someone in this person's stream, when this behavior had nothing to do with TL. IdrA's comment on Twitter had implications inside TL world, and this is the reason of the 90-day ban.
Idra trolled Chill outside of TL, as well.
Unless idra himself sent one of those 350 PMs, then there is no reasoning, based on established rules, to extend that ban. The extension was pure choice/whim of Nazgul
Since it is their website, they have the CHOICE to do so. Given this, they have the CHOICE to also warn or ban Cruncher for trolling idra while streaming, they just don't want to.
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