Idra Banned for 90 Days - Page 112

On May 09 2011 08:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:


Let's go over your examples still you are so keen not to do them:

A) You would not be charged for murder but you would be charged for involvement and failing to make your actual intentions known, maybe criminally negligent manslaughter if the evidence is bad enough. Probably not since it wasn't your intention for others to hear those words in the first place.
B) You would not be charged for anything.

AGAIN this relates back to putting a price on someone's head as a comparison to this situation. You are not carrying out the possible death, you are not telling people to carry out the possible death. However you are doing something that will inspire people to hunt this individual down and kill them. You are inciting them to do so, thus you share in the responsibility of that individual's death.

So here are the primary things that justify the ban and its extension.

A) The ban is completely separated from the lack of streaming. In fact his stream will still be posted as a favored one. This is Idra's personal choice but he deliberately words it as if the ban itself prevents him from playing.
B) Idra does not specify the conditions by which anyone should PM Chill. In plainspeak, he doesn't say "PM Chill but please keep it civil"; "PM Chill with evidence and rational arguments showing that Cruncher was stream cheating"; "PM Chill but don't spam him". In a situation like this he takes no responsibility for limiting any potential wrongdoing or absolving himself from any wrongdoing, and at the very least he could do the latter by making his command more descriptive. Which relates back to ---->
C) Idra posting this in the public sphere instead of appealing to people close to him to PM him the mods. If he did the latter and Machine and company trolled Chill, he would have the legitimate excuse of "I thought they would be serious but they were just being dicks, I intended for them to do something different". He is smart enough to know that on Twitter he cannot control who reads it and responds to it, but he is responsible for using his brain and not doing anything that could result in bull like this. At the very least he's neglectful and ignorant of his circumstances but:
D) Idra admits his intentions to Nazgul so any argument about intentions is utterly moot. And most importantly:
E) This entire fiasco plays itself out on TL and involves a TL mod being flooded with trolling. Therefore it falls under their jurisdiction to decide his punishment under their own rules.

On May 09 2011 08:49 Slipspace wrote:
looks like attention whoring to me

IdrA has and always will be the way he is and obviously was angry after losing a game because Cruncher had the stream open (not that you can completely blame him, but still its cheating)

apparently you guys don't watch orb's stream because he bashes people literally every other game

either ban him permanently or stop creating these giant drama fiasco's that serve no purpose other than to gather attention

edit: just re-read the tweet and he said "PM chill if this upsets you"

apparently this site not only has a G rated language filter but also personal grudges can merit bans because feedback is not allowed

On May 09 2011 08:54 Azarkon wrote:
I think the litmus test for whether you can hold Cruncher accountable for anything on TL is why Combat-Ex was banned. As it stands, Cruncher stream sniped Idra several times presumably for the purpose of annoying him. This is not a bannable offense by TL rules, so any charges leveled against Cruncher would have to be based on precedence.

On May 09 2011 08:54 IntoTheWow wrote:


Feedback is not asking a bunch of people to mob a mod with PMs. Also, as far as I know, warnings are personal, so how can a third party (someone who read Idra's twitter) PM a mod with a complain about something he knows nothing about?

On May 09 2011 06:04 eNtitY~ wrote:
This is a really stupid move, it's not like he told people to mass spam Chill and harass him about why. He just said he was banned and if they had a problem to PM Chill... The staff needs to lighten up a bit here because what he did really shouldn't be that big of a deal. All TL admins are doing is taking away from the community because now no one gets to benefit from the week of analysis he was going to do. Considering ~18k people watch it the first day there was a lot of interest there.

Overboard IMO.

On May 09 2011 05:26 Aim Here wrote:


Well BigT got his stream banned for something similar to Idra, in that (as I recall) he was asking people to PM mods in order to get his stream featured, among other things.



The point of the ban wasn't to stop Idra saying things offsite - that's clearly impossible. What it does do is deter him from trying to use twitter or his stream to incite his fans to harass Teamliquid mods to overturn moderator decisions, since instead of having his paltry 2-day slap-on-the-wrist ban lifted, he gets it extended by a large amount. Sure, he can try again, if he wants to, but it's unlikely to have any more effect than the last time, and nerd-fatigue is going to kick in pretty quickly when it comes to this sort of activism.