EPTIn-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 242
| Forum Index > The Tavern |
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
| ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On another note, by the end of today 8 more heroes left (16 guides) on rewrites!!! I'm so fucking close. | ||
|
Buckyman
1364 Posts
| ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On November 28 2015 12:59 Buckyman wrote: Gyrocopter still takes Flak over Rockets at 1 for some reason. And I think Windranger's starting items are missing a salve. I agree, but I'm also confused why so many players at the highest level take Flak first, do you know why? Which Windranger build? | ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
 MedusaAdded Healing Salve to Medusa Added Ring of Basilius to Early Game Moved Power Treads to Early Game Moved Magic Wand to Early Game Moved Ring of Aquila to Core Items Moved Drums of Endurance to Core Items Removed Tango (x1)  TuskNew Skill Build: Q W Q W Q R Q W W E R E E E R (1. Ice Shards 2. Snowball 3. Frozen Sigil) Created New Tab: "Luxury Items" Added Iron Branch to Starting Items Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items Added Arcane Boots to Core Items Added Mekansm to Core Items Added Force Staff to Situational Items Added Guardian Greaves to Extension Items Added Glimer Cape to Extension Items Added Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items Moved Black King Bar to "Luxury Items" Moved Aghanim's Scepter to "Luxury Items" Moved Assault Cuirass to "Luxury Items: Removed Bottle Removed Power Treads Removed Heaven's Halberd Removed Desolator  JuggernautAdded Magic Wand to Core Items Moved Manta Style to Situational Items Moved Sange and Yasha to Core Items  Weaver (Lane)Moved Linken's Sphere to Extension Items Removed Clarity Removed Solar Crest Weaver (Middle)Added Bottle to Situational Items Moved Linken's Sphere to Extension Items Removed Clarity Removed Solar Crest  Gyrocopter (Lane)New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W R (1. Rocket Barrage 2. Flak Cannon 3. Homing Missile) Created New Tab: "Early Game" Added Clarity to Starting Items Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game" Moved Ring of Aquila to "Early Game" Moved Sange and Yasha to Core Items Gyrocopter (Middle)New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W R (1. Rocket Barrage 2. Flak Cannon 3. Homing Missile) Moved Helm of the Dominator to Core Items Moved Sange and Yasha to Core Items Removed Shadow Blade Removed Silver Edge Treant Protector Added Guardian Greaves to Extension Items Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items Removed Boots of Speed Removed Eul's Scepter of Divinity Removed Mekansm Removed Refresher Orb Removed Shiva's Guard Removed Necromonicon 3  RubickAdded Glimmer Cape to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Core Items Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items Moved Ghost Scepter to Extension Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items Removed Shiva's Guard Removed Aghanim's Scepter  Kunkka (Lane) New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Tidebringer 2. X Marks the Spot 3. Torrent)  Doom (Lane)Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items Removed Iron Branch  TinkerAdded Boots of Travel - Level 2 to Luxury Items Outworld Devourer New Skill Build: W E W E W R W Q E E R Q Q Q R (1. Astral Imprisonment 2. Essence Aura 3. Arcane Orb) Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Refresher Orb to Luxury Items Removed Assault Cuirass  OmniknightAdded Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items Added Refresher Orb to Extension Items Moved Force Staff to Situational Items Moved Glimmer Cape to Extension Items Removed Scythe of Vyse Removed Shiva's Guard  MeepoAdded Poor Man's Shield to Situational Items Added Boots of Travel - Level 2 to Extension Items Moved Eye of Skadi to Extension Items Removed Orb of Venom Removed Boots of Travel Windranger (Lane) Added Healing Salve to Starting Items # of Hero Texts Updated: 129 + Show Spoiler +  (Lane/Middle)(Lane/Middle)   (Jungle/Lane)   (Lane/Middle) (Jungle/Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle)        (Jungle/Lane)(Lane/Middle)  (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle)   (Lane/Middle)    (Lane/Middle)(Lane/Middle)  (Lane/Middle)  (Jungle/Lane)     (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle)   (Lane/Middle)          (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle)     (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle)   (Jungle/Lane)    (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle)(Lane/Middle)   LEFT TO DO: Earth Spirit (Lane) Earth Spirit (Middle)  Lina (Lane) Lina (Middle)Lone Druid (Lane) Lone Druid (Jungle) Lycan (Lane) Lycan (Jungle) Naga Siren (Lane) Naga Siren (Middle)  Shadow Shaman (Lane) Shadow Shaman (Middle) Silencer (Lane) Silencer (Middle)Skywrath Mage (Lane) Skywrath Mage (Middle) | ||
|
Buckyman
1364 Posts
On November 28 2015 13:52 Torte de Lini wrote: Which Windranger build? Windranger(Lane). | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 28 2015 13:52 Torte de Lini wrote: I agree, but I'm also confused why so many players at the highest level take Flak first, do you know why? I find it most likely that they don't skill at level 1 (since Gyro could take either Rocket or Missile depending on what happens at level 1) and then Flak at level 2 when nothing happens (since usually nothing happens at level 1). Dotabuff/Datdota don't record the actual level when someone skills, just the order in which they assign skill points. | ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
sure | ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Publishing Changes | ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
| ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
| ||
|
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
aghs + gem helps close out victories, and it can help come back in certain situations, but in comeback situations combat items can often be the build too... | ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
| ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
After ~15 days (November 13th to November 28th), we have risen from 106,111,408 to 108,444,654 combined subscriptions A difference of 2,333,246 Average Growth of subscribers is 747,894.17 Growth Percentage is 2.20% 5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
5 most popular guides (top being the most popular): Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
Newly Released Guides: Associated Reddit Topic - All 145 Standard Hero Builds Item and Ability texts have been completely written | ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
| ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Lycan (Jungle) Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items" Removed Skull Basher Shadow Shaman (Lane) Added Glimer Cape to Extension Items Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items Removed Mekansm Removed Black King Bar Removed Shiva's Guard Removed Scythe of Vyse Shadow Shaman (Middle) New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Ether Shock 2. Shackles 3. Hex) Added Magic Wand to Core Items Added Urn of Shadows to Situational Items Added Glimmer Cape to Extension Items Added Force Staff to Extension Items Moved Bottle to Situational Items Removed Black King Bar Removed Mekansm Removed Shiva's Guard Removed Scythe of Vyse Skywrath Mage (Lane) Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items Added Veil of Discord to Extension Items Moved Urn of Shadows to Core Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items Moved Rod of Atos to Extension Items Removed Tranquil Boots Removed Null Talisman Removed Scythe of Vyse Removed Ethereal Blade Skywrath Mage (Middle) Added Power Treads to Core Items Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items Added Veil of Discord to Extension Items Moved Urn of Shadows to Core Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items Moved Rod of Atos to Extension Items Removed Arcane Boots Removed Scythe of Vyse Removed Ethereal Blade Double-Check: Lycan (Lane) Lycan (Jungle) -- Itemization may be in an incorrect order; outdated with how he is played now. Improve Extension Item choices. Night Stalker -- I don't understand his item build which is geared towards Urn, Drums, Aghs or Vlad's. Consider Hand of Midas? Earth Spirit (Lane) Earth Spirit (Middle) -- Very likely outdated itemization. Techies -- Double-check # of Hero Texts Updated: 145 + Show Spoiler + (Lane/Middle)(Lane/Middle) (Jungle/Lane) (Lane/Middle) (Jungle/Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle) (Jungle/Lane)(Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle)(Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle) (Jungle/Lane) (Lane/Middle)(Jungle/Lane) (Jungle/Lane) (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle)(Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle)(Lane/Middle) (Jungle/Lane) (Lane/Middle) (Lane/Middle)(Lane/Middle) LEFT TO DO: n/a We have officially hit 5 ratings in almost all 145 Hero Builds! Huzzah! On that note, we'll be removing the "See Also: X Guide" Tab as it no longer serves its purpose for alternate guide versions. edit: Earth Spirit (Middle) - Remains at 4 Stars, despite accumulating over 550,000+ subscribers. Strange. All Hero Builds have been completely rewritten! Took from September 28 to November 29 to rewrite over 145 Hero Builds (approx. 29 items and 4 abilities per hero + general hero summary), equaling over 235,000+ words written. | ||
|
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On November 29 2015 10:11 Torte de Lini wrote: Final rewrites today; I don't care how long it fucking takes me. This shit ends today Okay, that took longer than necessary. | ||
|
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
he's also a hero with tons of viable situational itemization choices | ||
|
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's just not a really good guide hero in general. Regarding NS: Cookie-cutter skill order should have his Silence before the first night time. Delaying it or not is situational, but in the case of someone who does not know when to skip it, it is far worse to skip it when you shouldn't than to have it when you don't need it. Most of the time NS isn't really played mid anymore because he doesn't suit how mid plays in the last few versions. He's a mediocre laner and doesn't farm off effectively against most of the common mids. He's largely used as a support or offlaner in recent versions, so his items are much more geared toward ganking, map control, and supporting the team (usually something like Urn+Agha). How you want to approach this for mid is hard to say. Midas is very often correct but I would hesitate to put it in a guide for new players because there's a huge association for new/bad players that Midas = farm, when this is not the case. For NS, Midas is not really an item for farming but one for evening out his gold-level balance since XP is vastly more important for NS in the early-midgame than gold, so spending 2k gold purely to accelerate his leveling is worth it. Treads are significantly more common than Phase Boots (NS is super mana-gated early game and with the lack of early +stat items like Bracers/Drums, Treads are appealing), but Phase is fine. Phase is stronger in ganking/combat during night time, but Treads maintains higher overall efficiency during daytime farming phases when Hunter in the Night deactivates. | ||
|
Buckyman
1364 Posts
On November 29 2015 09:09 TheYango wrote: I find it most likely that they don't skill at level 1 (since Gyro could take either Rocket or Missile depending on what happens at level 1) and then Flak at level 2 when nothing happens (since usually nothing happens at level 1). Dotabuff/Datdota don't record the actual level when someone skills, just the order in which they assign skill points. It's for harassment in the safe lane: "This is actually a disaster for an Earthshaker. Any time you are even in experience range, you're going to be getting hit by flak cannon" (DreamLeague S4 4CL vs. Vega Squadron game 3) Of course, this only works if you have the support coordination to depush the lane despite the flak. I wouldn't recommend it in pubs. | ||
| ||
