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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-29 08:16:08
November 14 2015 08:33 GMT
#4761
After ~15 days (October 29th to November 13th), we have risen from 103,916,872 to 106,111,408 combined subscriptions

A difference of 2,194,536
Average Growth of subscribers is 731,802.81
Growth Percentage is 2.11%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Beastmaster (Middle) (106,319)
  2. Brewmaster (Middle) (66,776)
  3. Alchemist (Middle) (18,516)
  4. Shadow Shaman (Middle) (1,527)
  5. Warlock (Middle) (1,452)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Lifestealer (Jungle)
  2. Sven
  3. Phantom Lancer
  4. Juggernaut
  5. Necrophos


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Huskar (999,053 -> 1,021,178)
  • Clinkz (997,430 -> 1,017,567)
  • Queen of Pain (991.743 -> 1,014,304)
  • Broodmother (993,014 -> 1,008,562)
  • Razor (985,137 -> 1,002,139)
  • Slardar (909,460 -> 940,677)
  • Windranger (MIddle) (92,093 -> 147,159)


Newly Released Guides:




    Associated Reddit Topic - Hero Builds Project celebrates two years and 100 million subscriptions
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-11-29 08:19:42
    November 14 2015 08:43 GMT
    #4762
    • Growth of Subscribers stays steady above 2 million (since May 1, 2014)

    • 15.02% of last month's unique players [10,901,393] are subscribed to the our highest subscribed guide: Lifestealer (Jungle) Guide

    • Huskar (1,021,178)
    • Clinkz (1,017,567)
    • Queen of Pain (1,014,304)
    • Broodmother (1008,562)
    • Razor recently hit the 1 million mark (1,002,139)

    • Nine guides are currently swimming towards the 1 million mark: Nature's Prophet (999,753), Doom [Jungle] (985,045), Spectre (974,830), Slark [Lane] (970,178), Tidehunter (969,183)

    • Top 34 guides are approx. 1Mill subscribers or higher each
    • Top 49 guides are approx. 900k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 64 guides are approx. 800k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 81 guides are approx. 700k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 101 guides are approx. 600k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 121 guides are approx. 500k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 128 guides are approx. 400k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 137 guides are approx. 300k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 141 guides are approx. 200k subscribers or higher each
    • Top 144 guides are approx. 100k subscribers or higher each
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-11-14 23:38:40
    November 14 2015 23:36 GMT
    #4763


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    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    November 15 2015 00:07 GMT
    #4764
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    1 million unique for Nature's Prophet

    If interested in a timeline of 1 million hits and milestones, you can check it here: http://steamcommunity.com/id/0825771
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Joan_of_Arc
    Profile Joined February 2012
    Australia66 Posts
    November 15 2015 19:21 GMT
    #4765
    Thanks for all the work, Torte de Lini I use your guides every time I'm on a hero I'm not too familliar with. They're also a fairly decent way to keep track of the meta when I haven't had time to watch any games for a while.

    I don't know if you've answered this before, but I don't suppose there's a patreon about, or some way I (as a rather average player) could contribute to the project?
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    November 15 2015 20:37 GMT
    #4766
    On November 16 2015 04:21 Joan_of_Arc wrote:
    Thanks for all the work, Torte de Lini I use your guides every time I'm on a hero I'm not too familliar with. They're also a fairly decent way to keep track of the meta when I haven't had time to watch any games for a while.

    I don't know if you've answered this before, but I don't suppose there's a patreon about, or some way I (as a rather average player) could contribute to the project?


    Thanks a lot! I appreciate that, I use these guides as also a way to keep tabs on the meta because sometimes even I fall behind!

    Patreon is under consideration, but nothing confirmed yet. Maybe when all the heroes are released! Even if you're just an average player, you may have insight about heroes that I haven't noticed or seen something in a pro game that looked like it make sense to put in a guide, these things help me a lot as well!
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    goswser
    Profile Blog Joined May 2009
    United States3548 Posts
    November 15 2015 20:42 GMT
    #4767
    Thanks for the guides, imo you should be paid at least a tiny amount for high rated hero guides, pretty sure that the majority of the dota playerbase that's at least under 4k relies on them.
    say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-11-15 21:16:41
    November 15 2015 21:15 GMT
    #4768
    On November 16 2015 05:42 goswser wrote:
    Thanks for the guides, imo you should be paid at least a tiny amount for high rated hero guides, pretty sure that the majority of the dota playerbase that's at least under 4k relies on them.


    We can assume at least 15% of the Dota 2 playerbase are subscribed to a hero build one way or another (about 1.6 million minimum). Not sure how many truly do, but it's definitely a large number.

    About being 'paid', it's something that is nice, but any sort of Patreon setup would be used to reward long-time contributors and hopefully motivate more consistent feedback and help. The real hurdle I'm facing is the amount of time this project demands.

    You can read more here: 2 Years, 100 million: Dota Builds Project Overview

    + Show Spoiler +
    I liked you a lot in StarCraft II, I think our teams played a lot against yours (CoL/Millennium). I was VT Gaming/Team Dynamic/Quantic and Infinity Seven back then!


    I really like it a lot when people stop by to give their thanks and such, it's a huge motivator for me (so much that I am here at the office just so I can update some builds and finish some other stuff).
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Buckyman
    Profile Joined May 2014
    1364 Posts
    November 16 2015 03:03 GMT
    #4769
    What are you currently looking for feedback on?

    ---

    With the recent nerf to Rocket Barrage affecting level 1 most, I feel that Gyro(Lane) should go back to being 2-0-1 at level 3.

    ---
    I've seen a lot of salve/tango/mango/x starts in pro games recently.
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-11-16 03:43:20
    November 16 2015 03:42 GMT
    #4770
    On November 16 2015 12:03 Buckyman wrote:
    What are you currently looking for feedback on?

    ---

    With the recent nerf to Rocket Barrage affecting level 1 most, I feel that Gyro(Lane) should go back to being 2-0-1 at level 3.

    ---
    I've seen a lot of salve/tango/mango/x starts in pro games recently.


    Heyo,

    I am looking at the following:

    • Juggernaut -- Skill Build should be accurate. Manta or Sange and & Yasha as Core Item

    • Tusk -- I received feedback that Tusk's item build is outdated and that the first skill point should be Q not W

    • Troll Warlord (Lane/Middle) -- Manta Style was suggested to be Situational Items

    • Weaver (Middle/Lane) -- It's been suggested to relocate Linken's Sphere. I am unsure of the Core Items section as a whole

    • Puck -- Double-check

    • Medusa -- Manta Style has been pushed to Luxury Items, making Yasha as Core Items questionable.

    • Kunkka (Lane)
    • Kunkka (Lane/Middle) -- Double-check, Mango starting items?

    • Alchemist (Lane) -- Follow FOTM build of pseudo-Naga Siren or stick with this for a carry late-game Alchemist

    • Nature's Prophet -- Recently updated, needs to be double-checked

    • Jakiro -- double-check Skill Build

    • Doom (Middle) -- Double-check Item Build
    • Doom (Lane) -- Double-check Item Build
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Thetwinmasters
    Profile Joined January 2015
    3578 Posts
    November 16 2015 04:28 GMT
    #4771
    Safelane alch is 100% radiance manta octa build
    Tusk needs shit like force glimmer ect aka more utility items and probably get rid of silver edge deso ac
    Doom looks fine I would personally add hex but looks good
    I think medusa really needs mom or drums yasha and remove manta satanic 100% and add mjolnir to situational
    Buckyman
    Profile Joined May 2014
    1364 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-11-16 05:18:39
    November 16 2015 05:17 GMT
    #4772
    Medusa needs *something* substantial with an easy buildup in between treads and Skadi/Linkens. Yasha's fine because it speeds up her farm enough to not delay the Skadi much. Drums is more of a fighting item. There are a few other possibilities for that slot (Maelstrom? Helm of the Dominator? Crystalys?) but there needs to be *something* there, and whatever it is needs to speed up farming somehow. Yasha and drums just happen to have defensive applications too.
    Birdie
    Profile Blog Joined August 2007
    New Zealand4438 Posts
    November 16 2015 05:56 GMT
    #4773
    Drums and MoM are both pretty good on Medusa IMO, I would probably go Treads RoA Wand Drums as starting items, into some other item. Pre-MoM nerf I got MoM every game, shield interaction is really good because you basically take less reduced damage.

    Weaver definitely should have Linken's Sphere in situational at best, Mael/Diffusal/Deso first are much better for the current meta.
    Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-11-16 23:46:24
    November 16 2015 23:43 GMT
    #4774
    On November 16 2015 13:28 Thetwinmasters wrote:
    Safelane alch is 100% radiance manta octa build
    Tusk needs shit like force glimmer ect aka more utility items and probably get rid of silver edge deso ac
    Doom looks fine I would personally add hex but looks good
    I think medusa really needs mom or drums yasha and remove manta satanic 100% and add mjolnir to situational


    I just saw a game right now that went more traditional.
    Am I wrong to assume that it isn't always that? Should we be doing a dual-build?

    What's the core/extension like?

    Lane and Jungle or?

    I don't want MoM whatsoever; why no Manta/Satanic? Then what will Yasha be?

    On November 16 2015 14:17 Buckyman wrote:
    Medusa needs *something* substantial with an easy buildup in between treads and Skadi/Linkens. Yasha's fine because it speeds up her farm enough to not delay the Skadi much. Drums is more of a fighting item. There are a few other possibilities for that slot (Maelstrom? Helm of the Dominator? Crystalys?) but there needs to be *something* there, and whatever it is needs to speed up farming somehow. Yasha and drums just happen to have defensive applications too.


    Drums and Yasha or is it "Drums OR Yasha" ?

    On November 16 2015 14:56 Birdie wrote:
    Drums and MoM are both pretty good on Medusa IMO, I would probably go Treads RoA Wand Drums as starting items, into some other item. Pre-MoM nerf I got MoM every game, shield interaction is really good because you basically take less reduced damage.

    Weaver definitely should have Linken's Sphere in situational at best, Mael/Diffusal/Deso first are much better for the current meta.


    I'll take a better look at Medusa now

    I will take another look. I still felt Linken's is all-around useful given the rampant amount of Dooms and Windrangers.
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Belisarius
    Profile Joined November 2010
    Australia6233 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-11-17 06:12:46
    November 17 2015 00:02 GMT
    #4775
    I would personally consider radi oct mid and some kind of fighting build safelane, like blink medallion. You could also do radi oct for both. I don't think you can ignore that build at this point, even though it's not the only way to play him.

    As always, I'm against dual builds. I think you should pick one or the other and do it properly.

    Dusa is just really awkward this meta, but I don't know that the answer is to try and shoehorn the antithesis of a fighting carry into a fighting build. That said, I'm not opposed to switching yasha for drums.

    Weaver is also just really weak. Deso is great if they can't kill you, but he gets exploded way too easily right now to beeline it every game. Something like roa>urn>(bkb)>deso is probably okay. He's always gonna be weaver though.

    I like linkens more than most but the buildup is so awkward. 75% of newbies doing Linkens weaver probably end up with a perseverance, a recipe and no ancient.

    Doom is way too strong in lane to put him in jungle. I'm opposed to jungle cores in general, but jungle doom is a straight-up travesty when he basically gets to farm heroes if he goes to a lane.

    If you want to switch tusk to 4pos you're looking at all the usual greaves/blink/solar/force/glimmer stuff. He's relatively item-independent if he's not planning to solokill people.
    Thetwinmasters
    Profile Joined January 2015
    3578 Posts
    November 17 2015 00:33 GMT
    #4776
    manta and satanic are bad on medusa because they don't synergize with her kit at all and its drums and yasha as the alternative to straight mom which I strongly believe is the best. Tusk core should be mek blink and extension into greaves force lotus solar glimmer stuff like that.
    Belisarius
    Profile Joined November 2010
    Australia6233 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-11-17 05:07:31
    November 17 2015 05:05 GMT
    #4777
    Manta isn't that bad. It has a similar function on dusa as it does on any other ranged agi carry; a mix of dps, stats and utility from a 4th-5th slot item once the illusions actually do damage. The illusions get split shot so it's incorrect to say they don't synergise at all.

    That said it's not great, and she's probably only going to get it maybe 1/3 of games. I agree that satanic is rarely a good idea.
    Thetwinmasters
    Profile Joined January 2015
    3578 Posts
    November 17 2015 06:38 GMT
    #4778
    if you are getting manta 1/3 of games your building this hero wrong
    Velzi
    Profile Joined June 2012
    Finland659 Posts
    November 17 2015 10:12 GMT
    #4779
    I think i have said this earlier already but Medusa should go treads RoA yasha into skadi, i honestly see a single reason going something like drums yasha mom, thats just i dont know, wasting 6k gold to something that u could do with 2k and get an actual item before enemy starts to pushing.

    I like manta quite a bit actually, as said earlier u shouldnt go manta first or second item, but after like yasha skadi butter bkb (dont mind the order) manta is fine. If u think manta is shit on dusa, u are wrong too, the amount of hits those illusions can tank (while f.e. sieging high ground) is pretty damn good.
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822
    Thetwinmasters
    Profile Joined January 2015
    3578 Posts
    Last Edited: 2015-11-17 20:44:49
    November 17 2015 16:16 GMT
    #4780
    On November 17 2015 19:12 Velzi wrote:
    I think i have said this earlier already but Medusa should go treads RoA yasha into skadi, i honestly see a single reason going something like drums yasha mom, thats just i dont know, wasting 6k gold to something that u could do with 2k and get an actual item before enemy starts to pushing.

    I like manta quite a bit actually, as said earlier u shouldnt go manta first or second item, but after like yasha skadi butter bkb (dont mind the order) manta is fine. If u think manta is shit on dusa, u are wrong too, the amount of hits those illusions can tank (while f.e. sieging high ground) is pretty damn good.

    I go only mom not drums yasha and mom also manta illusions on medusa are insanely squishy.
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