In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 227

On October 08 2015 00:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
There's no way u can get away with 1 point in reactive on timber either. The difference between 5 armor 5 regen and 10 armor 10 regen kinda speaks for itself.

the build is still 2 points in it although my friend who is Top 50 dotabuff timber (tm) goes 3 in reactive virtually every game (before 6). Moral of that story being err on the side of more E not less.

Ability combo cheat sheets sounds great (stuff like disruptor Q then glimpse on the 3rd explosion to send them back to where you first Q'd them) really helps players feel like they are getting the inside scoop on the hero. A guide can't teach them how to play dota but it can teach them how to play THAT HERO inside their dota knowledge.

On October 08 2015 02:41 BluemoonSC wrote:
i really like the idea of putting in relevant combos into the guides.

itll be difficult to concisely explain stuff like the disruptor trick to fit the character limit, though..wont it?

On October 08 2015 02:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
You might have to 2-part the combo hints
like on disruptor Q "Also useful as a timing tool for your glimpse"
then on glimpse "If you glimpse them as the 3rd hit of static strike goes off, they will return to where they were the instant you cast it on them"
although that is still pretty dam long

I think timber goes e/q/e/w/w/r/w/w/ but it's hard to say when u need timberchain. If ur lane is bad enough that u can barely get xp then suddenly u want like e/w/w/e/w/r/ since q is only good if u can get aggressive and even the 2nd point in e sux if u cant stand in the lane.

On October 08 2015 02:49 Torte de Lini wrote:


The old build was 1 in reactive armour.

We can swing for two. but does that mean everything is just pushed over? Dotabuff shows everyone getting 1 in Armour.

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The ability cheat sheet thing stems from how much praise the Oracle got (but needs updating). The only issue is yes 1. Character Limit and 2. No specific area to place it so readers KNOW where to look. But usually it is in the most relevant area (usually abilities, maybe an item once or twice if it is core).



For all the current guides, it's in already; so you can see what it is like.

It's a matter of breaking information. So for Disruptor:

Q -> Tip about how it is a countdown
W -> Breakdown of combo (Q -> W -> E -> R)
E -> Some of its flaws (heroes can blink out)
R -> standard

On October 08 2015 02:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
You might have to 2-part the combo hints
like on disruptor Q "Also useful as a timing tool for your glimpse"
then on glimpse "If you glimpse them as the 3rd hit of static strike goes off, they will return to where they were the instant you cast it on them"
although that is still pretty dam long

I think timber goes e/q/e/w/w/r/w/w/ but it's hard to say when u need timberchain. If ur lane is bad enough that u can barely get xp then suddenly u want like e/w/w/e/w/r/ since q is only good if u can get aggressive and even the 2nd point in e sux if u cant stand in the lane.

E: 2slwo i guess

On October 08 2015 03:26 Sn0_Man wrote:
its kinda close cuz extra points in W get u out of sticky situations but ur hero is so bad in lane unless u have e stacks up that it's generally worth trying to have 8+ up forever and abuse the fact that it makes you mildly invincible.

I keep writing up essays in my head about how timber works in the offlane but it's basically that he's so fucking shit compared to literally every other offlaner that ur always stuck hoping the enemy gifts u farm. And if they do, the best way to abuse it is E stacks.

On October 08 2015 03:26 Sn0_Man wrote:
its kinda close cuz extra points in W get u out of sticky situations but ur hero is so bad in lane unless u have e stacks up that it's generally worth trying to have 8+ up forever and abuse the fact that it makes you mildly invincible.

I keep writing up essays in my head about how timber works in the offlane but it's basically that he's so fucking shit compared to literally every other offlaner that ur always stuck hoping the enemy gifts u farm. And if they do, the best way to abuse it is E stacks.

On October 08 2015 05:26 TheYango wrote:

You draw creep aggro to build up and maintain stacks. That lets you make a lot of aggressively plays that you would not otherwise.


Small sample size for something that varies hugely from game-to-game. Timber's one of the heroes where a fixed skill order is actually awful because what you skill is so game dependent. Literally any possible permutation of skills that does not involve Stats at level 1-3 is reasonable some of the time.

None of the "top" players on Dotabuff for Timber have more than 3 games on him in the last 2-3 months. And even among that small number of games, there are several that have 2 Reactive before 6.


You actually get to make more aggressive plays with high Reactive at level 1-3. It's only with rank 3/4 chain where you start being able to really abuse its kill potential because the range is long enough.


Maximum kill potential at level 7 vs. level 8 isn't hugely different because the level 7-8 XP is quite low. 8->9 is the first big spike in levelup XP.

It's like how QoP can afford to get 2 SS for laning--level 7->8 XP required doesn't go up relative to earlier levels so delaying a level 7 maxed nuke to level 8 is not a big deal if it results in stronger laning.

On October 08 2015 05:26 TheYango wrote:

You draw creep aggro to build up and maintain stacks. That lets you make a lot of aggressively plays that you would not otherwise.


Small sample size for something that varies hugely from game-to-game. Timber's one of the heroes where a fixed skill order is actually awful because what you skill is so game dependent. Literally any possible permutation of skills that does not involve Stats at level 1-3 is reasonable some of the time.

None of the "top" players on Dotabuff for Timber have more than 3 games on him in the last 2-3 months. And even among that small number of games, there are several that have 2 Reactive before 6.


You actually get to make more aggressive plays with high Reactive at level 1-3. It's only with rank 3/4 chain where you start being able to really abuse its kill potential because the range is long enough.


Maximum kill potential at level 7 vs. level 8 isn't hugely different because the level 7-8 XP is quite low. 8->9 is the first big spike in levelup XP.

It's like how QoP can afford to get 2 SS for laning--level 7->8 XP required doesn't go up relative to earlier levels so delaying a level 7 maxed nuke to level 8 is not a big deal if it results in stronger laning.