In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 226

On October 03 2015 11:45 Antisceptic wrote:
Hey Torte de Lini, I still can't edit textboxes on my guides. How do you fix this, or work around it? Is it a browser issue?

On October 04 2015 15:39 Birdie wrote:
c'est incroyable, well done lini

On October 06 2015 03:19 -Celestial- wrote:
Skimmed last couple of pages.

On the idea of 1-4-1 Spectre build...its okay but I almost always split my Q and W evenly in games personally. Desolate is strong but the movement speed and damage on dagger are pretty significant. One point to two point dagger, for example, doubles its damage (50 to 100) and gives +50% movement speed (8% to 12%) for only 10 extra mana cost.

Unless I've got a specific reason to do something else I kinda feel the strongest is to split evenly. Though I find 4-1-1 in the guide to be a "safer" build due to the increased movement speed making running away a bit easier in an emergency and the higher damage meaning you don't necessarily have to be up in their face to take advantage of it (unlike Desolate).

I don't really go 1-4-1 unless I'm really bullying the lane or there are higher-than-usual possibilities of getting solo kills with Haunt (a jungler on the other team or a Zeus on mine, for example).

On October 06 2015 03:32 Torte de Lini wrote:


Build is currently 4-4-1-2 at 11.

On October 06 2015 05:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm pretty sure u don't buy clarities on timber on account of wanting to be tanking the wave roughly the entire game. If u can't be tanking the wave u only need enough mana for a timberchain out so yah. More hp regen is prolly a good buy since you still need enough regen to keep urself high enough HP to stand in lane. Especially a flask since it gets u back into the lane asap after getting low. It's just so crucial for timber to be in the creep wave almost all the time since with armor stacks hes a 10-armor 11 regen beast (ogre pls) and without them he's a 0 armor 1 regen squishy melee hero who can't contest shit.

Also I feel like there isn't a nice logical explanation in that guide that ur progression is manaboots + soulring -> bloodstone (brown boots now) -> other stuff. Aghs is less core than u make it out to be imo, since if u get it with a gimped bloodstone u can't really support it and really, damage isn't a problem MOST of the time for timber. It's definitely good, just not the "every game core" item that bloodstone is.

notes based off the img u posted

U could argue for just 1flask 1 tango i guess but timber's so momentum based that i'd rather just go to lane with bajillions of regen to give urself the best shot at winning the lane. It's not like darkseer who can just jungle to catch up, if ur lane goes poorly ur actually just a dead weight all game.

On October 06 2015 04:13 BluemoonSC wrote:


this is only bc im at work and I can't see, but 4-4-1-2 at 11 doesn't mean anything if you're talking about the difference between going 4-1-1-1 vs 1-4-1-1 vs leveling dagger and desolate evenly.

truthfully, I think with the update and after having watched a couple of pro games with spectre, 1-4-1-1 is the way to play this patch bc of the desolate buff.

the only issue I have is that we're putting this into a "standard" guide, which means that lower lvl players might find themselves in dual-lane vs dual-lane scenarios where you're not actually getting the desolate damage. at the same time, at this lvl, players probably won't haunt to get the kill, dagger, then reality back to increase aoe gold and xp gain like we discussed, so is the dagger dmg worth it?

so is the increased farm speed worth the investment now that we've had some time to see how the change impacts her? realistically, the bonus dmg applying to jungle creeps means that you can do what an AM does: buy a QB and choke jungle in between pushing the waves.

On October 06 2015 07:24 Torte de Lini wrote:


Might be time to actually put in an Enchanted Mango (2?) for Timbersaw per chance.

I can add Soulring for Timbersaw, there was mention of it before and I opted not to include to keep the guide "concise"

We assume they are doing well with Bloodstone, I would still consider it above other extension items tbh

On October 06 2015 09:44 -Celestial- wrote:


Since we're talking about the average pub game I'd argue that the increased movement speed is far more significant than the increased damage (which is just a bonus). Having the improved escape capability and chasing potential is pretty big.

On October 06 2015 13:46 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:

i think with the cost buff, mango is fine on any hero that 1. needs mana for an important earlygame skill 2. wont have slot problems due to buying mango and 3. will use the hp regen, and this situation comes up fairly frequently. it's literally the most cost efficient +1hp/s you can get now (250 vs 350 for 2hp/s vs ring of regen). over 7m40s of not having full health, it heals as much as a set of tangoes.