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On September 26 2015 00:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
depends
if ur mid alch ur prolly 4-4-1-2 @11 like u were arguing
if ur safelane alch ur prolly x-x-4-1 @7 depending on ur lane kill ability
if ur offlane (aka ancient stacking xd) ur 4-1-1-1 @7 as well
Mid Alch is staying 4-4-1
Lane Alch has been changed to ricing to see how that fares. 4-1-4
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mmm i think the way the safelane plays now though, it's optimistic to get x-x-4 because if the other safelane is something like a gyro, then he's just going to run over your team while you're attempting to consume space and contribute nothing
i think overall it's just more solid to assume you might be doing some fighting into the midgame (though i guess alch before 11 is super weak anyway)
but 0 points in stun until level 10 is definitely greedy in any case...
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1-1-4 seems likely in lane unless ur uncontested
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Ehh, I think you're still more likely to be 4-1-1. If you're uncontested, then you can very quickly get something like SR up and farm 2-3 camps on the side, which gives you more overall returns than Greed max, especially since it's getting you XP.
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Maybe one pub safelane in ten is actually uncontested. The other nine contain 1-1-4 alchemists raging at their support for not solo zoning an undying duo.
In other words, I strongly disagree with greed-max alc in any pub position.
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we are discussing how to build well not what ur build says
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4-1-1 I would consider the safe "general" version.
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Aghs on luna should be added as a situational item. it's really good in pubs where people don't get BKB
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Agh's Luna is basically it's own build where you go Mek->Agh and make a later BKB+Fly transition back to physical DPS.
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I am away from my PC for the weekend as I tie things up here in EU.
From Monday to Wednesday, I will try to jam rush textbox updates for all 145 guides (4 abilities/16+ Items). We'll see how far I can get. Hopefully things are a bit clear on some skill orders for heroes like Terrorblade and Kunkka (again).
Also stats will be on Tuesday.
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Torte de Lini, are there any particular guides you want me to subject to the rigors of 2k mmr pub play?
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On September 27 2015 02:00 Buckyman wrote:
Torte de Lini, are there any particular guides you want me to subject to the rigors of 2k mmr pub play?
Doom (Jungle)
Doom (Lane)
Lycan (Lane)
Lycan (Jungle)
Alchemist (Lane)
Chaos Knight
Terrorblade
Kunkka (Lane)
Kunkka (Middle)
Spectre
Clinkz
That's what's on my list of heroes to test right now ):
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Ok spectre skill builds needs to be 4-4-0-1. I think mango is better than double branch start but that isn't 100%. Get refresher and bkb in the build somewhere. You could add linkens and mkb to situational also why in the world is there a casual mask of death and no wand.
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On September 28 2015 00:50 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Ok spectre skill builds needs to be 4-4-0-1. I think mango is better than double branch start but that isn't 100%. Get refresher and bkb in the build somewhere. You could add linkens and mkb to situational also why in the world is there a casual mask of death and no wand.
I'm testing this now.
I want to remove the Morbid Mask and the Poor Man's Shield.
I want to max E first, then W.
The build is meant to fast-farm lanes and jungle for a really fast Radiance.
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On September 28 2015 01:10 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2015 00:50 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Ok spectre skill builds needs to be 4-4-0-1. I think mango is better than double branch start but that isn't 100%. Get refresher and bkb in the build somewhere. You could add linkens and mkb to situational also why in the world is there a casual mask of death and no wand. I'm testing this now. I want to remove the Morbid Mask and the Poor Man's Shield. I want to max E first, then W. The build is meant to fast-farm lanes and jungle for a really fast Radiance.
max e doesn't farm faster than max w and spectre stills sucks at jungling even with max e and you have 0 kill potential so your useless for the first 30 minutes.
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On September 28 2015 01:14 Thetwinmasters wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2015 01:10 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 28 2015 00:50 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Ok spectre skill builds needs to be 4-4-0-1. I think mango is better than double branch start but that isn't 100%. Get refresher and bkb in the build somewhere. You could add linkens and mkb to situational also why in the world is there a casual mask of death and no wand. I'm testing this now. I want to remove the Morbid Mask and the Poor Man's Shield. I want to max E first, then W. The build is meant to fast-farm lanes and jungle for a really fast Radiance. max e doesn't farm faster than max w and spectre stills sucks at jungling even with max e and you have 0 kill potential so your useless for the first 30 minutes.
Yeah, it's taking me 20 minutes to get Sacred Relic.
Just gonna do: Q W Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E
Remove Quelling Blade
Add Magic Wand
Ring of Aquila between Boots of Speed into Phase
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why remove qb/pms? pms is still quite necessary against certain lanes (though ofc the pms upgrade is always situational) and you still definitely want a qb if you're hitting neutrals at all. also, i think the buff suggests max desolate first is better for farming neutrals (kill the weaker creeps in any camp first and the last big creep dies a lot faster)... though i think q first is still fine
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