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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 25 2015 15:47 GMT
#4401
On September 26 2015 00:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
depends
if ur mid alch ur prolly 4-4-1-2 @11 like u were arguing
if ur safelane alch ur prolly x-x-4-1 @7 depending on ur lane kill ability
if ur offlane (aka ancient stacking xd) ur 4-1-1-1 @7 as well


Mid Alch is staying 4-4-1
Lane Alch has been changed to ricing to see how that fares. 4-1-4
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
September 25 2015 15:48 GMT
#4402
mmm i think the way the safelane plays now though, it's optimistic to get x-x-4 because if the other safelane is something like a gyro, then he's just going to run over your team while you're attempting to consume space and contribute nothing

i think overall it's just more solid to assume you might be doing some fighting into the midgame (though i guess alch before 11 is super weak anyway)

but 0 points in stun until level 10 is definitely greedy in any case...
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 25 2015 15:50 GMT
#4403
1-1-4 seems likely in lane unless ur uncontested
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 25 2015 16:50 GMT
#4404
Ehh, I think you're still more likely to be 4-1-1. If you're uncontested, then you can very quickly get something like SR up and farm 2-3 camps on the side, which gives you more overall returns than Greed max, especially since it's getting you XP.
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-25 17:09:06
September 25 2015 17:07 GMT
#4405
Maybe one pub safelane in ten is actually uncontested. The other nine contain 1-1-4 alchemists raging at their support for not solo zoning an undying duo.

In other words, I strongly disagree with greed-max alc in any pub position.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 25 2015 17:16 GMT
#4406
It's 4-0-2.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129111538

Not sure where the 4-1-1 is coming from
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 25 2015 17:17 GMT
#4407
we are discussing how to build well not what ur build says
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 25 2015 17:31 GMT
#4408
4-1-1 I would consider the safe "general" version.
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Gamerhcp
Profile Joined May 2015
734 Posts
September 25 2015 19:12 GMT
#4409
Aghs on luna should be added as a situational item. it's really good in pubs where people don't get BKB
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 25 2015 19:13 GMT
#4410
Agh's Luna is basically it's own build where you go Mek->Agh and make a later BKB+Fly transition back to physical DPS.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-26 09:20:34
September 26 2015 09:02 GMT
#4411
I am away from my PC for the weekend as I tie things up here in EU.
From Monday to Wednesday, I will try to jam rush textbox updates for all 145 guides (4 abilities/16+ Items). We'll see how far I can get. Hopefully things are a bit clear on some skill orders for heroes like Terrorblade and Kunkka (again).

Also stats will be on Tuesday.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
September 26 2015 17:00 GMT
#4412
Torte de Lini, are there any particular guides you want me to subject to the rigors of 2k mmr pub play?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-27 11:21:54
September 27 2015 11:21 GMT
#4413
On September 27 2015 02:00 Buckyman wrote:
Torte de Lini, are there any particular guides you want me to subject to the rigors of 2k mmr pub play?


Doom (Jungle)
Doom (Lane)
Lycan (Lane)
Lycan (Jungle)
Alchemist (Lane)
Chaos Knight
Terrorblade
Kunkka (Lane)
Kunkka (Middle)
Spectre
Clinkz

That's what's on my list of heroes to test right now ):
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Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
September 27 2015 15:50 GMT
#4414
Ok spectre skill builds needs to be 4-4-0-1. I think mango is better than double branch start but that isn't 100%. Get refresher and bkb in the build somewhere. You could add linkens and mkb to situational also why in the world is there a casual mask of death and no wand.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 27 2015 16:10 GMT
#4415
On September 28 2015 00:50 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Ok spectre skill builds needs to be 4-4-0-1. I think mango is better than double branch start but that isn't 100%. Get refresher and bkb in the build somewhere. You could add linkens and mkb to situational also why in the world is there a casual mask of death and no wand.


I'm testing this now.

I want to remove the Morbid Mask and the Poor Man's Shield.

I want to max E first, then W.

The build is meant to fast-farm lanes and jungle for a really fast Radiance.
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Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-27 16:14:55
September 27 2015 16:14 GMT
#4416
On September 28 2015 01:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2015 00:50 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Ok spectre skill builds needs to be 4-4-0-1. I think mango is better than double branch start but that isn't 100%. Get refresher and bkb in the build somewhere. You could add linkens and mkb to situational also why in the world is there a casual mask of death and no wand.


I'm testing this now.

I want to remove the Morbid Mask and the Poor Man's Shield.

I want to max E first, then W.

The build is meant to fast-farm lanes and jungle for a really fast Radiance.

max e doesn't farm faster than max w and spectre stills sucks at jungling even with max e and you have 0 kill potential so your useless for the first 30 minutes.
Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-27 16:14:45
September 27 2015 16:14 GMT
#4417
oops
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 27 2015 16:22 GMT
#4418
On September 28 2015 01:14 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2015 01:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
On September 28 2015 00:50 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Ok spectre skill builds needs to be 4-4-0-1. I think mango is better than double branch start but that isn't 100%. Get refresher and bkb in the build somewhere. You could add linkens and mkb to situational also why in the world is there a casual mask of death and no wand.


I'm testing this now.

I want to remove the Morbid Mask and the Poor Man's Shield.

I want to max E first, then W.

The build is meant to fast-farm lanes and jungle for a really fast Radiance.

max e doesn't farm faster than max w and spectre stills sucks at jungling even with max e and you have 0 kill potential so your useless for the first 30 minutes.


Yeah, it's taking me 20 minutes to get Sacred Relic.

Just gonna do: Q W Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E

Remove Quelling Blade
Add Magic Wand
Ring of Aquila between Boots of Speed into Phase
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-27 17:30:01
September 27 2015 16:39 GMT
#4419
ed
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-27 16:44:45
September 27 2015 16:43 GMT
#4420
why remove qb/pms? pms is still quite necessary against certain lanes (though ofc the pms upgrade is always situational) and you still definitely want a qb if you're hitting neutrals at all. also, i think the buff suggests max desolate first is better for farming neutrals (kill the weaker creeps in any camp first and the last big creep dies a lot faster)... though i think q first is still fine
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