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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-28 16:47:23
September 28 2015 16:46 GMT
#4441
On September 29 2015 01:44 Sn0_Man wrote:
ur definitely fast enough with w
buy shivas then ur opponents are slow as fuk
eat a kobold too if ur that concerned

reminder that u don't have to right click too much in fights cuz ur a spellcaster (read ur skills again LVL? is busted as fuk)


I'm still thinking Phase, Wand, Blink Dagger, Aghs, S&Y,
Drums Situational
Shiva's, Refresher Extension
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-28 16:49:00
September 28 2015 16:47 GMT
#4442
you can't cast jack shit and u have 2 armor at level 16 or some shit lmao
why wud u buy aghs if ur going RIGHT CLICK RETARD build lol

if u wanna go phase u prolly need like blademail i could see that being a build
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 28 2015 16:49 GMT
#4443
On September 29 2015 01:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
you can't cast jack shit and u have 2 armor at level 16 or some shit lmao
why wud u buy aghs if ur going RIGHT CLICK RETARD build lol


Late-game, you're going AC or Shiva's anyways.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 28 2015 16:50 GMT
#4444
For now, let's update the build to be max W before Q and see how it plays out.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 12:21:31
September 28 2015 16:53 GMT
#4445
ed
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Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
September 28 2015 16:54 GMT
#4446
yeah in what universe is right click doom a good idea
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 28 2015 16:55 GMT
#4447
On September 29 2015 01:54 Thetwinmasters wrote:
yeah in what universe is right click doom a good idea


It used to be a part of Doom's dual-build here.
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Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
September 28 2015 16:56 GMT
#4448
On September 29 2015 01:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2015 01:54 Thetwinmasters wrote:
yeah in what universe is right click doom a good idea


It used to be a part of Doom's dual-build here.

yeah then get rid of it cause its shit
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 28 2015 17:03 GMT
#4449
It had moderate success in games.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 28 2015 17:05 GMT
#4450
mid cm is roughly 80% winrate in my games I think that doesn't make it good
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 28 2015 17:09 GMT
#4451
I'm speaking outside anecdotal experience.
Regardless, the skill build is the only thing changed, testing it out this evening.

Stats tomorrow.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 28 2015 18:33 GMT
#4452
Okay, I cannot play Doom. I must have forgotten how to play because this is my third favourite hero and I can't do anything.

Maybe maxing W before Q wasn't a good idea in lane, only Jungle. I don't know.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-28 18:34:52
September 28 2015 18:34 GMT
#4453
u max w in all situations where you conduct combat with opposing heroes
and/or extended jungle stays

don't let anecdotal bad games sway u any more than good ones
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 28 2015 18:38 GMT
#4454
On September 29 2015 03:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
u max w in all situations where you conduct combat with opposing heroes
and/or extended jungle stays

don't let anecdotal bad games sway u any more than good ones


It doesn't, but Doom games are dreadful at the moment.

with max W over Q, your Blink Dagger comes a lot later. A lot of timings feel off.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-28 18:40:04
September 28 2015 18:39 GMT
#4455
dont rush blink then u can just run at them
as long as u buy an armor item
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
September 28 2015 19:44 GMT
#4456
blink isn't a great first item anyway bc of the increased cast time. anyone that would get away if you charged at them with phase boots (ie AM/qop) will be able to escape just the same if they're paying attention.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 28 2015 21:49 GMT
#4457
Some games you can be a Doom one-trick-pony, but honestly you also lose out on a lot of meaningful value by giving up early survivability or having enough mana to cast things other than Doom. You shouldn't just try to blindly rush out a Blink every game.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 28 2015 22:20 GMT
#4458
[image loading]

1 million unique for Witch Doctor

If interested in a timeline of 1 million hits and milestones, you can check it here: http://steamcommunity.com/id/0825771
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 00:23:08
September 29 2015 00:18 GMT
#4459
On September 29 2015 05:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
that build can't be gud i don't think


for posterity1111 (in jest)

also of interest: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/88719902/matches?hero=doom
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 00:42:22
September 29 2015 00:41 GMT
#4460
In all the recent games from that link, Blink's 3rd item after Phase Drum S&Y. And he didn't get Blink at all in some of them.
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