In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 219

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Germany38463 Posts

September 23 2015 20:03 GMT

#4361

On September 24 2015 04:53 TheYango wrote:
Sidelane Kunkka skill order is weird, cuz most of the time you don't actually want to level Tidebringer in lane, since low levels of it just autopush the lane letting an offlaner get farm and XP while not having low enough CD or high enough damage for the offlaner to care.

Often you'll just be 2-0-0 or 3-0-0 with saved skill points then dump all of the points for max Tidebringer all at once,

I would figure this would be for Kunkka Mid (max X and Torrent).

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Germany38463 Posts

September 23 2015 21:23 GMT

#4362

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

September 23 2015 21:29 GMT

#4363

alright i dont get ur bm builds but u should still max w first and often skip tranqs/phase in favour of travs

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Germany38463 Posts

September 23 2015 21:43 GMT

#4364

On September 24 2015 06:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
alright i dont get ur bm builds but u should still max w first and often skip tranqs/phase in favour of travs

Middle guide skips upgraded boots.

We can max W for two boar mid-harassment if you want. Felt Q was equally good.

Lane should be correct: tranq and soul ring

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

September 23 2015 21:45 GMT

#4365

hmmm?

Added Phase Boots to Core Items (after Blink Dagger)

from teh mid guide

personally I can't play the summons heavy style but you'll find that good players rely on it since Q fukcign blows ever since the composite dmg change

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Germany38463 Posts

September 23 2015 21:48 GMT

#4366

On September 24 2015 06:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
hmmm?

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from teh mid guide

personally I can't play the summons heavy style but you'll find that good players rely on it since Q fukcign blows ever since the composite dmg change

Click the hero links because sometimes I forget to change the text accordingly. But the build is always published/updated accurately to what I intended.

I believe the cheap way to play max W mid is to just use the boars to secure last hits together.

I would prefer two points W and max Q simply because its more straight-forward.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

September 23 2015 22:06 GMT

#4367

On September 24 2015 05:03 Torte de Lini wrote:
I would figure this would be for Kunkka Mid (max X and Torrent).

4-0-4 Kunkka is for support.

On September 24 2015 06:43 Torte de Lini wrote:
We can max W for two boar mid-harassment if you want. Felt Q was equally good.

I mean it's "equally good" in that if you pick BM into random lanes, there will be lanes where Call max is bad. But those are games where you don't want to pick BM because the Axes nerf makes stalemating bad lanes way harder than it used to be, and farming stacks with Axes is much slower/less efficient.

On September 24 2015 06:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
I believe the cheap way to play max W mid is to just use the boars to secure last hits together.

2x rank 2 Boar doesn't out-lasthit heroes.

On September 24 2015 06:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
I would prefer two points W and max Q simply because its more straight-forward.

It's also bad. I've explained to you multiple times over the course of this thread that if you're playing Axes max from mid, you have to take Aura at 2 for the way it plays to be any good. Axes max sucks now after the Axes nerf, but if you insist on doing it, you should at least do it right.

4-2-0 is like the middle ground that is worse than 4-1-1/4-0-2 or 2-4-0/2-4-1 at anything you would pick each skill order for.

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Germany38463 Posts

September 23 2015 22:16 GMT

#4368

On September 24 2015 06:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
I believe the cheap way to play max W mid is to just use the boars to secure last hits together.

2x rank 2 Boar doesn't out-lasthit heroes.

I'm referring to max Boar (W).

We can max Boar, guide hasn't been updated since 6.83; so we'll apply the standard.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

September 23 2015 22:19 GMT

#4369

Fun fact, literally every time Beastmaster's skill order has come under consideration, I've mentioned the fact that Axes max BM from mid needs to take Aura at 2 (and I've explained why several times), but for whatever reason you ignore it every time.

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Germany38463 Posts

September 23 2015 22:25 GMT

#4370

On September 24 2015 07:19 TheYango wrote:
Fun fact, literally every time Beastmaster's skill order has come under consideration, I've mentioned the fact that Axes max BM from mid needs to take Aura at 2 (and I've explained why several times), but for whatever reason you ignore it every time.

I think 'every time' is an exaggeration since I have not been able to update the build since 6.83 (January)

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Germany38463 Posts

September 23 2015 22:35 GMT

#4371

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Germany38463 Posts

September 23 2015 22:46 GMT

#4372

I'll continue the changes tomorrow. Beastmaster's Skill build is updated:

New Skill Build: Q W W Q W R W E E E R E Q Q R (1. Call of the Wild 2. Inner Beast 3. Whirling Axes)

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Germany38463 Posts

September 24 2015 14:45 GMT

#4373

Windranger (Lane)
Removed Iron Branch

Beastmaster (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q W W Q W R W E E E R E Q Q R (1. Call of the Wild 2. Inner Beast 3. Whirling Axes)
Added Stout Shield to Starting Items
Added Solar Crest to Situational Items
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Removed Heaven's Halberd
Removed Mekansm
Removed Scythe of Vyse
Removed Phase Boots

Beastmaster (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q W W Q W R W E E E R E Q Q R (1. Call of the Wild 2. Inner Beast 3. Whirling Axes)
Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items
Added Solar Crest to Situational items
Added Refresher's Orb to Extension Items
Moved Soul Ring to Early Game
Moved Necromonicon to Core Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Removed Arcane Boots
Removed Bottle
Removed Mekansm
Removed Heaven's Halberd

Kunkka (Middle)
New Skill Build: W Q W Q W R W Q Q E R E E E R (1. Tidebringer 2. Torrent 3. X Marks the Spot)
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Town Portal Scroll to "Utility Items"
Removed Enchanted Mango

Kunkka (Lane)
New Skill Build: W Q W Q W R W E Q Q R E E E R (1. Tidebringer 2. Torrent 3. X Marks the Spot)
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Town Portal Scroll to "Utility Items"
Added Bottle to Situational Items
Removed Enchanted Mango

Windranger (Lane)
Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items

Jakiro
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Ogre Magi
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items

Troll Warlord (Lane)
Added Wraith Band to Early Game
moved ring of aquila to after boots of speed

Warlock (Lane)
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Removed Arcane Boots

Warlock (Middle)
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Shadow Shaman (Lane)
Moved Urn of Shadows to Early Game
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items

Visage
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Enchanted Mango

Oracle (Lane)
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items

Lich
Removed Veil of Discord

Undying
Added Blade Mail to Situational Items
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Octarine Core
Removed Ghost Scepter

Lone Druid (Jungle)
Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Skull Basher
Removed Maelstrom

Lone Druid (Lane)
Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
replaced necromonicon Level 1 to Level 3
Removed Skull Basher
Removed Maelstrom

Drow Ranger
Added Wraith Band to Early Game
moved ring of aquila to after boots of speed

Skywrath Mage (Lane)
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items

Naga Siren (Middle)
Added Wraith Band to Early Game
moved ring of aquila to after boots of speed

Naga Siren (Lane)
Added Wraith Band to Early Game
moved ring of aquila to after boots of speed

Morphling
Added Wraith Band to Early Game
moved ring of aquila to after boots of speed
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items

Slark (Middle)
Added Shadow Blade to Core Items
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Moved Silver Edge to Situational Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Mirana
Added Wraith Band to Early Game
moved ring of aquila to after boots of speed
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items

Centaur Warrunner
Removed Enchanted Mango

Ursa (Jungle)
Removed Enchanted Mango

Phoenix (Middle)
Removed Utility Items Tab

Wraith King
Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Aghanim's Scepter
Removed Moon Shard

Magnus
Removed Mekansm

Earth Spirit (Lane)
Moved Urn of Shadows to Early Game
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items

Windranger (Middle)
Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items

Venomancer
Removed Arcane Boots
Removed Mekansm

Weaver (Middle)
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items

Weaver (Lane)
Moved Ring of Aquila to Early Game
Moved Wraith Band to Early Game
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items

Earthshaker
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Alchemist (Lane)
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Axe (Jungle)
Removed Enchanted Mango

Axe (Lane)
Removed Enchanted Mango

Bloodseeker (Middle)
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items

Bristleback
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items

Death Prophet
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Dragon Knight (Middle)
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Elder Titan (Middle)
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Ember Spirit (Middle)
Added Ring of Aquila to Situational Items
Moved Phase Boots to Early Game
Removed Boots of Speed
Removed Poor Man's Shield

Ember Spirit (Lane)
Added Ring of Aquila to Situational Items
Moved Phase Boots to Early Game
Removed Boots of Speed

Enchantress
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items

Faceless Void
Moved Power Treads to Early Game
Removed Boots of Speed

Gyrocopter (Lane)
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Ring of Aquila to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Gyrocopter (Middle)
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Keeper of the Light
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Lina (Middle)
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Lina (Lina)
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Lion
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Night Stalker
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Outworld Devourer
Created Tab: "Luxury Items"
Added Boots of Travel to Luxury Items
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Luxury Items
Added Octarine's Core to Luxury Items
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items

Queen of Pain
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Razor
Moved Power Treads to Early Game
Removed Boots of Speed

Rubick
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Sand King
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Legion Commander (Lane)
Removed Enchanted Mango

Legion Commander (Middle)
Removed Enchanted Mango

Techies
Moved Soul Ring to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Sven
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

spiritbreaker
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Templar Assassin
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Timbersaw
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Tusk
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Luna
Added Wraith Band to Early Game
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items

Chaos Knight
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Broodmother
Moved Boots of Speed to Core Items
Moved Soul Ring to Core Items

Dark Seer
Moved Guardian Greaves to Core Items
Removed Arcane Boots
Removed Mekansm

Chen
Moved Ring of Basilius to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Batrider
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Moved Boots of Speed to Core Items

Bane
Moved Boots of Speed to Core Items
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items

Enigma
Moved Soul Ring to Core Items
Moved Boots of Speed to Core Items

Phantom Lancer
Added Wraith Band to Early Game

Pugna
Removed Mekansm
Removed Arcane Boots

Leshrac (Lane)
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Leshrac (Middle)
Added Soul Ring to Core Items
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Necrophos
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Bounty Hunter
Removed Enchanted Mango

Terrorblade
Added Wraith Band to Early Game

Silencer (Lane)
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Vengeful Spirit
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Nyx Assassin (Lane)
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Nyx Assassin (Middle)
Moved Arcane Boots to Early Game
Removed Boots of Speed

Shadow Fiend
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Zeus
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Moved Soul Ring to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Riki
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Poor Man's Shield to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Silencer (Middle)
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Pudge

Most changes are the following:

Magic Wand after fully-upgraded boots (some supports are before)
Wraith Band before Boots of Speed, Ring of Aquila After
Removing redundancies in itemization (Skull Basher/Abyssal Blade, Maelstrom/Mjollnir)
Removing promotional material in Skill Textbox when we had hit 50 million subscriptions

Still have to revamped general Hero Description + Skill/Item Description
I dread this the fucking most, I just don't want to do it.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

September 24 2015 14:46 GMT

#4374

Publishing Changes, we'll wait for 6.85 to roll through

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Draft Guide
Arc Warden (Lane)

Skill Build: E Q E W E R E Q Q Q R W W W R (1. Spark Wraith 2. Flux 3. Magnetic Field)
Starting Items: 3x Iron Branch, Tangos, Clarity x3, Healing Salve
Early Game: Boots of Speed, Hand of Midas
Core Items: Necromonicon 3, Boots of Travel, Magic Wand
Utility Items: Healing Salve, Enchanted Mango, Smoke of Deceit
Situational Items: Dagon, Diffusal Blade
Extension Items: Boots of Travel 2, Manta Style, Scythe of Vyse, Divine Rapier
Luxury Items: Refresher's Orb

Draft Guide
Arc Warden (Middle)

Skill Build: E Q E W E R E Q Q Q R W W W R (1. Spark Wraith 2. Flux 3. Magnetic Field)
Starting Items: 3x Iron Branch, Tangos
Early Game: Bottle, Boots of Speed, Hand of Midas
Core Items: Necromonicon 3, Boots of Travel,
Utility Items: Healing Salve, Enchanted Mango, Smoke of Deceit
Situational Items: Dagon, Diffusal Blade
Extension Items: Boots of Travel 2, Manta Style, Scythe of Vyse, Divine Rapier
Luxury Items: Refresher's Orb

Draft Guide
Pit Lord (Lane)

Skill Build: E Q Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Firestorm 2. Pit of Malice 3. Atrophy Aura)
Starting Items: Stout Shield, 2x Iron Branch, Tangos, Clarity
Early Game: Boots of Speed, Magic Wand
Core Items: Arcane Boots, Mekansm, Eul's Scepter of Divinity
Situational Items: Vladmir's Offering, Blademail, Rod of Atos, Pipe of Insight
Extension Items: Necromonicon, Guardian Greaves, Assault Cuirass, Shiva's Guard, Scythe of Vyse
Luxury Items: Boots of Travel, Refresher's Orb, Octarine Core

Draft Guide
Pit Lord (Middle)

Skill Build: E Q Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Firestorm 2. Pit of Malice 3. Atrophy Aura)
Starting Items: Stout Shield, Tangos, 2x Iron Branch
Early Game: Bottle, Boots of Speed, Magic Wand
Core Items: Arcane Boots, Eul's Scepter of Divinity
Situational Items: Vladmir's Offering, Blademail, Rod of Atos, Pipe of Insight
Extension Items: Necromonicon, Guardian Greaves, Assault Cuirass, Shiva's Guard, Scythe of Vyse
Luxury Items: Boots of Travel, Refresher's Orb, Octarine Core

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

September 24 2015 15:51 GMT

#4375

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

September 24 2015 15:51 GMT

#4376

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

September 24 2015 16:01 GMT

#4377

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