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Here are the last changes made:
June 1st
 Kunkka (Lane)
Kunkka (Middle)
New Skill Build: W Q W E W R W E E E R Q Q Q R
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Added Boots of Travel to Luxury Items
Added Moon Shard to Luxury Items
Added Boots of Travel to Luxury Items
Removed Shadow Blade
August 7th
Kunkka (Lane)
Kunkka (Middle)
Added Shadow Blade to Core Items
Moved Silver Edge to Situational Items
Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
Removed the second Daedalus
I think my thoughts were that I wanted to max Tidebringer first to make the laning phase easier and to max X first to ensure newer players could pull off the full combo (albeit less damage).
That said, we can revert to a more offensive build with a weaker laning phase.
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How important is the 4th point in Tidebringer given that it only comes at the end of the laning phase?
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it almost halves the CD as well as gives more aoe. it's quite crucial
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Its honestly surprise this hero (kunkka) isnt more popular, only buffs since 6.71 (if we ignore vision loss for boat and torrent).
For the skill build, as a midlaner/safelane farm i would just make it simple and skip x for good (pretty sure if u have to use this guide, u cant use ur x properly anyways) and max torrent and tidebringer @lvl9, after that taking points in x is fine.
so something like wqwqwrwqqereee+r+++++++ seems fine to me, i know x is ridiculously good spell and all, but if u think about it for a second, i think x is going to cause more confusion than real benefit in low level pubs. Atleast if x is used on own heroes there is going to be so many missed blackholes and ravages im just going to cry myself to sleep.
But if u still think its worth "teaching" them to use x, then atleast 2-3 points in it before ship seems fine, lvl1 x has so low range u are going to miss every ship with it.
wqqeer maybe?
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I'll take a look at Kunkka tonight and see what's going on. As I admitted, I actually don't recall how Kunkka is played nowadays; I'll read Yango's comment in the back and the conversation here today.
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United States47024 Posts
On September 22 2015 00:57 Torte de Lini wrote:
I think my thoughts were that I wanted to max Tidebringer first to make the laning phase easier and to max X first to ensure newer players could pull off the full combo (albeit less damage).
You do want max Tidebringer first. 4-0-4-1 is specifically if you're playing support Kunkka. The problem with X now is that before the incremental gains of ranks 2 and 3 were clear and well-defined so each point in X felt more impactful. With the current X, you kind of just need 1 rank (with Blink or Shadowblade) or all 4 (for max range engage). If you're also maxing Tidebringer, you just don't really do enough damage with 1-4-4 (and the damage matters a lot). Plus with Torrent being castable regardless of facing, it's just generally easier to get Torrents out in questionable situations without being super telegraphed about it so your reliance on X to use Torrent is a lot lower.
I agree with Buckyman that you want rank 1 X before SB, but I don't see SB by level 8 as being a common scenario because I usually get fighting items more aggressively before actually getting SB (Urn, Drums, Wand, etc.). Plain SB doesn't feel that strong to me given it's stat split and buildup.
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level 1 x is pretty siq for the x->tp bottle refill and/or full regen since u get like 5 seconds of fountain time plus the sticky regen but how applicable that is varies
When u skip a torrent point for X is very situational since it literally does nothing until u have bottle + tp or blink/shadowblade or else are getting the 3rd point.
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On September 22 2015 02:49 TheYango wrote:I agree with Buckyman that you want rank 1 X before SB, but I don't see SB by level 8 as being a common scenario because I usually get fighting items more aggressively before actually getting SB (Urn, Drums, Wand, etc.). Plain SB doesn't feel that strong to me given it's stat split and buildup.
I've been playing strictly by the guide - Phase Wand SB.
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Guide is too efficient.
Someone posted a fix for textboxes via Reddit, I can start making edits. Though there's a lot to edit and it's a bit overwhelming.
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Modern BM builds get 1 or 2 points in Q and opt for max W since q now blows at creep hitting (thx volvo for removing composite dmg), with E prioritised next for both farming and pushing purposes.
Like w/q/w/e/w/r/w/e/e/e/r/ @11
or q/w/w/ depending on what u need at level 1
also dont upgrade to tranqs, stay at brown boots until travels
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On September 23 2015 01:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
Modern BM builds get 1 or 2 points in Q and opt for max W since q now blows at creep hitting (thx volvo for removing composite dmg), with E prioritised next for both farming and pushing purposes.
Like w/q/w/e/w/r/w/e/e/e/r/ @11
or q/w/w/ depending on what u need at level 1
also dont upgrade to tranqs, stay at brown boots until travels
Admittedly, I used the changes from early 2015. I'll take another look at Beastmaster
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United States47024 Posts
On September 23 2015 01:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
Modern BM builds get 1 or 2 points in Q and opt for max W since q now blows at creep hitting (thx volvo for removing composite dmg), with E prioritised next for both farming and pushing purposes.
Like w/q/w/e/w/r/w/e/e/e/r/ @11
or q/w/w/ depending on what u need at level 1
also dont upgrade to tranqs, stay at brown boots until travels
Q vs. E second is game dependent, there are games where you still want Q max 2nd. But it depends a lot on your item choices and overall progression.
Tranq is good if you're also maxing Q and getting SR. If you're not doing all 3 of these things together, any individual one of them sucks. But Tranq+SR+max Q 2nd is not bad a lot of the time. It's strong for extended laning. This is for offlane though- for mid you don't bother with Tranq or SR cuz they're redundant with Bottle. You can do some cute shit with Phase Boots or Arcanes->Guardians, but those are overwhelmingly the exception compared to Brown Boots->Travels (Arcanes Meka BM is way less appealing now that you can't farm it crazy fast with a big Ancient stack the way you used to).
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On January 05 2015 10:32 nas wrote:Subscribing to each guide manually is a pain. I wrote a little Javascript to do all of them in one go, see: dota 2 guide sub all. It could probably be turned into a bookmarklet with a little effort. I just went to the first guide page, right-clicked on the "Subscribe" button and choose "inspect element". Then I pasted my Javascript code into the javascript console. The code will stop working obviously if Valve changes their web pages or if the guide IDs change.
Is this still being updated? Says 145.
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Windranger (Lane)
Removed Iron Branch
 Beastmaster (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Whirling Axes 2. Call of the Wild 3. Inner Beast)
Added Stout Shield to Starting Items
Added Phase Boots to Core Items (after Blink Dagger)
Added Solar Crest to Situational Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Removed Heaven's Halberd
Removed Mekansm
Removed Scythe of Vyse
Removed Phase Boots
Beastmaster (Lane)
Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items
Added Solar Crest to Situational items
Added Refresher's Orb to Extension Items
Moved Soul Ring to Early Game
Moved Necromonicon to Core Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Removed Arcane Boots
Removed Bottle
Removed Mekansm
Removed Heaven's Halberd
Kunkka (Middle)
New Skill Build: W Q W Q W R W Q Q E R E E E R (1. Tidebringer 2. Torrent 3. X Marks the Spot)
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Town Portal Scroll to "Utility Items"
Removed Enchanted Mango
Kunkka (Lane)
New Skill Build: W Q W Q W R W E Q Q R E E E R (1. Tidebringer 2. Torrent 3. X Marks the Spot)
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Town Portal Scroll to "Utility Items"
Added Bottle to Situational Items
Removed Enchanted Mango
Windranger (Lane)
Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
 Jakiro
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed
Ogre Magi
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Troll Warlord (Lane)
Added Wraith Band to Early Game
moved ring of aquila to after boots of speed
 Warlock (Lane)
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Removed Arcane Boots
Warlock (Middle)
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
 Shadow Shaman (Lane)
Moved Urn of Shadows to Early Game
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
 Visage
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Enchanted Mango
Oracle (Lane)
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
 Lich
Removed Veil of Discord
 Undying
Added Blade Mail to Situational Items
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Octarine Core
Removed Ghost Scepter
Lone Druid (Jungle)
Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Skull Basher
Removed Maelstrom
Lone Druid (Lane)
Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
replaced necromonicon Level 1 to Level 3
Removed Skull Basher
Removed Maelstrom
Drow Ranger
Added Wraith Band to Early Game
moved ring of aquila to after boots of speed
Skywrath Mage (Lane)
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Naga Siren (Middle)
Added Wraith Band to Early Game
moved ring of aquila to after boots of speed
Naga Siren (Lane)
Added Wraith Band to Early Game
moved ring of aquila to after boots of speed
 Morphling
Added Wraith Band to Early Game
moved ring of aquila to after boots of speed
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
 Slark (Middle)
Added Shadow Blade to Core Items
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Moved Silver Edge to Situational Items
Removed Boots of Speed
 Mirana
Added Wraith Band to Early Game
moved ring of aquila to after boots of speed
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Centaur Warrunner
Removed Enchanted Mango
 Ursa (Jungle)
Removed Enchanted Mango
Phoenix (Middle)
Removed Utility Items Tab
wraithking
Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Aghanim's Scepter
Removed Moon Shard
 Magnus
Removed Mekansm
Earth Spirit (Lane)
Moved Urn of Shadows to Early Game
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Windranger (Middle)
Moved Monkey King Bar to Extension Items
 Venomancer
Removed Arcane Boots
Removed Mekansm
 Weaver (Middle)
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Weaver (Lane)
Moved Ring of Aquila to Early Game
Moved Wraith Band to Early Game
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
 Earthshaker
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed
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Most changes are the following:
- Magic Wand after fully-upgraded boots (some supports are before)
- Wraith Band before Boots of Speed, Ring of Aquila After
- Removing redundancies in itemization (Skull Basher/Abyssal Blade, Maelstrom/Mjollnir)
- Removing promotional material in Skill Textbox when we had hit 50 million subscriptions
Still have to revamped general Hero Description + Skill/Item Description
I dread this the fucking most, I just don't want to do it.
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United States47024 Posts
Sidelane Kunkka skill order is weird, cuz most of the time you don't actually want to level Tidebringer in lane, since low levels of it just autopush the lane letting an offlaner get farm and XP while not having low enough CD or high enough damage for the offlaner to care.
Often you'll just be 2-0-0 or 3-0-0 with saved skill points then dump all of the points for max Tidebringer all at once,
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