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On December 17 2014 22:48 TheYango wrote:
I mean, the last time we had this discussion, I made it pretty clear that I hate the 1-1-3 build for pubs to begin with because it relies on your team to provide damage when you don't have any ranks in Torrent or Tidebringer.
1-1-3 was taken from competitive play where I think it's strengths are easier to utilize and its weaknesses more manageable.
Before Patch 6.83, I actually had changed the Kunkka Build to 1-1-3 (before it was max tidebringer)
http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/the-tavern/453377-in-game-standard-guide-project-1-year-40m-subs?page=127#2536
Then 6.83 hit, so that's a little ironic.
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I don't think I ever suggested 1-2-3-1 at 7, lol.
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Oh, whoops.
Well before it was max tidebringer, now it's fast 3 to X, I think that's a typo or I'm not sure.
my bad
For Lane, I will keep it.
For Mid, I'll look at what others are doing, but I think it's something I keep like Lane until something is more clear
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On December 17 2014 22:48 TheYango wrote:
I mean, the last time we had this discussion, I made it pretty clear that I hate the 1-1-3 build for pubs to begin with because it relies on your team to provide damage when you don't have any ranks in Torrent or Tidebringer.
1-1-3 was taken from competitive play where I think it's strengths are easier to utilize and its weaknesses more manageable.
3 X by 11 for sure still, but at 7 either 1-4-1-1 or 2-4-0-1 based on preference.
ah, didnt see the edit
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can anyone change the title to 50m?
We'll be adding a small popup in the stats ability for any advertisement, personal messages or celebrations as long as it does not intrude on important notes or information.
This will remove any unnecessary "Contact Tabs" while also putting my appreciation directly in-game.
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Congrats on 50 million subs.
For Kunnka, I honestly think you shouldn't get any points in X before level 6. since x marks always lasts 4 seconds if you probably want to be comboing it mainly with boat which means that any points in it before 6 aren't super useful. I think 2-4-0-1 at level 7 and then 3 in X is probably the best way to go.
(Sorry if this is super incoherent it's 4 AM here and I can't get to sleep.)
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On December 18 2014 19:13 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Congrats on 50 million subs.
For Kunnka, I honestly think you shouldn't get any points in X before level 6. since x marks always lasts 4 seconds if you probably want to be comboing it mainly with boat which means that any points in it before 6 aren't super useful. I think 2-4-0-1 at level 7 and then 3 in X is probably the best way to go.
(Sorry if this is super incoherent it's 4 AM here and I can't get to sleep.)
I like to think that 1 in X is more situational useful than the minimal damage of another Torrent, no?
thank you for well wishes, it is most definitely thanks to your help!
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See previous pages for patch 6.83 changes
Remade Guide
Legion Commander (Lane) (previously Jungle)
Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q W W W R W W W R (1. Overwhelming Odds 2. Press The Attack 3. Moment of Courage)
Starting Items: Stout Shield, Tango, 3x Iron Branches
Early Game: Boots of Speed, Magic Wand
Initiation Items: Blink Dagger, Shadow Blade
Core Items: Power Treads, Black King Bar
Situational Items: Armlet of Mordiggan, Maelstrom, Blade Mail
Extension Items: Mjollnir, Abyssal Blade, Heaven's Halberd
Damage-Dealers (Duel): Desolator, Daedalus
 Lifestealer (Lane)
Added Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Lifestealer (Middle)
Added Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Daedalus to Extension Items
Centaur Warrunner
Moved Pipe of Insight to Core Items
Removed Hood of Defiance
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For LC, that early point in E is bad and your first point is Q sometimes, depending on what ur lane is. E is either taken at 4 or 8 almost always unless ur in some silly 1v1 lane vs a melee who wants to hit you and who ur okay with trading hits with. (level 8 would be as a support, 4 as a farming hero).
Also how long have these guides been around? I'll rename it but 1 year, 50M subs isn't exactly accurate right?
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On December 19 2014 00:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
For LC, that early point in E is bad and your first point is Q sometimes, depending on what ur lane is. E is either taken at 4 or 8 almost always unless ur in some silly 1v1 lane vs a melee who wants to hit you and who ur okay with trading hits with. (level 8 would be as a support, 4 as a farming hero).
Also how long have these guides been around? I'll rename it but 1 year, 50M subs isn't exactly accurate right?
February 2013 is when they started
I'll fix LC now
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oh did u fix chen?
6.82 skillbuild should have been e/w/w/e/e/r/e
6.83 should be e/w/e/w/e/r/e
since u get another creep for each level of e now
Also a note on aghs that if it's purchased, the big stone golem is the best ancient creep due to it's HP aura (only want 1 of it though)
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Yep, Chen is fixed 2-3 pages ago.
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50 million finally
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OH well, as long as you're comfortable with yourself that shouldn't matter.
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On December 17 2014 05:32 Buckyman wrote:
Speaking of Drow, how do you feel about a Circlet start, over Slippers? You can get Slippers at the side shop; you're trading -1 damage against the first creep wave for +2 damage while the courier brings your Wraith Band recipe.
Repeated since it got lost the first time around.
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On December 18 2014 19:17 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like to think that 1 in X is more situational useful than the minimal damage of another Torrent, no?
It's not the damage, it's the extra slow duration. The longer slow makes X-less Torrent->Ship combos more reliable since it lasts long enough that you can Ship after a Torrent connects and have the Torrent slow last till the Ship connects.
On December 19 2014 07:26 Buckyman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 05:32 Buckyman wrote:
Speaking of Drow, how do you feel about a Circlet start, over Slippers? You can get Slippers at the side shop; you're trading -1 damage against the first creep wave for +2 damage while the courier brings your Wraith Band recipe. Repeated since it got lost the first time around.
TBH I'd usually start either RoP+Branches+heavy regen or Wraith+Tangos.
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On December 19 2014 08:09 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 19:17 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like to think that 1 in X is more situational useful than the minimal damage of another Torrent, no? It's not the damage, it's the extra slow duration. The longer slow makes X-less Torrent->Ship combos more reliable since it lasts long enough that you can Ship after a Torrent connects and have the Torrent slow last till the Ship connects. Show nested quote +On December 19 2014 07:26 Buckyman wrote:On December 17 2014 05:32 Buckyman wrote:
Speaking of Drow, how do you feel about a Circlet start, over Slippers? You can get Slippers at the side shop; you're trading -1 damage against the first creep wave for +2 damage while the courier brings your Wraith Band recipe. Repeated since it got lost the first time around. TBH I'd usually start either RoP+Branches+heavy regen or Wraith+Tangos.
There's no reason to get anything but the two builds you mentioned (wraith better for mid, RoP better for sidelane. Nothing else makes sense.
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