In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 129

On December 17 2014 02:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
with respect to 6.83 changes:
In terms of starting items, most of the item changes primarily affect support buys since you have 30 more gold and salves are very slightly cheaper. Support buys are generally too game-dependant and complex to properly spell out but in a pub where ur solo support and in the trench courier/ward is now 270 so that leaves another 380 to buy ur own shit. after a set of tangos ur at 255. you can i guess justify a salve at 110 now but then ur at 145 which is really fucking awful. actually icefrog's just dumb.

Diffusal didn't improve on most heroes its just that u can now buy it without fucking urself over on certain heroes who need a deso or lifesteal or w/e. Its not core on ursa or TA or whatever else u were thinking.

Greed isn't a skill ur maxing early even as safe lane alch, interestingly enough. If you get 3 creeps out of every 4 in lane you actually get virtually nothing from greed level 3 or 4. Icefrog heavily buffed the "value point" in greed without seriously unbalancing the higher levels of it. But I will say that the second point in greed is also very good. The issue is that a safelane farming alch needs to put points into stun in order to exert any kind of map pressure. Once ur maxing stun, the first point in spray is unbelievable value for the -armor. That means u've spent 5 of ur first 7 points on q/w and then there's ult which is a no brainer which leaves limited space for greed points. However, there is an argument to be made that you can delay one point of acid or stun until after you get an initiation item (usually shadowblade if ur safelane) which probably allows u to go 2 in greed for max value in lane. The speed at which you can get a safelane shadowblade with greed though is so disgusting that it might still be right to skill something like e/w/q/w/w/r/w. If you opt to go pure farm build then it's easier since u just go e/q/e/q/e/r/e/q/q/w/r but then ur literally 0 threat to the enemy team until ur level 11 basically. U do farm like a mofo though.

Jugg probably doesn't change much. Crit is now a sick value point but u still can't get it in lane cuz it fucks up ur lasthits. Bloodcyka can still buy blademail but its a lot less of a no brainer.

On December 17 2014 03:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well thats just the tip of the iceberg.

I dunno what ur sniper guide sez for example but shrapnel's back to "1 point then stats" status etc.

disruptor mega changes btw

On December 17 2014 03:41 Buckyman wrote:
Diffusal Blade's change is relevant for Drow Ranger. It's probably Situational. Needs testing.

On December 17 2014 05:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well manta's actually useable on drow now right. Diffusal's useless u don't need the mana burn and you don't need the slow and u can buy manta now to self-purge so ur gucci. Yes its a nice agi item in theory but in practice manta/SnY and butterfly are better.

And disruptor you prolly still need 2 in glimpse but there's no way ur maxing it first. Its actually so fucking awful having to put all those points in a skill that doesn't slow, stun or do damage. Now u don't have to. Obviously u max it 2nd cuz the range owns but now u can get ur nuke earlier which owns.

There's gotta be more heroes that change i'll reread the patch notes if u want

On December 17 2014 05:35 TheYango wrote:
Diffusal's situational on every pretty much Agi carry now since you can get it to counter Ghost Scepter without fucking up your lategame orb selection.

However, since you already don't list Ghost Scepter as situational for literally every support, by the same logic, you're not going to be listing Diffusal on everyone because of this. Therefore, your list of Diffusal users doesn't really change due to this change, because nobody who wasn't getting it before will make it a core item, and everyone else is just getting it to counter Ghost Scepter/purgeable buffs/summoned units.