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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 09 2014 11:05 GMT
#2501
Oracle (Lane)
Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
Moved Force Staff to Core Items

Rubick
Removed Bottle
Added Urn of Shadows to Core Items
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items

Nature's Prophet
Rearranged Item Build:
Core Items - Carry: Hand of Midas, Phase Boots, Mjollnir
Core Items - Pusher: Hand of Midas, Power Treads, Shadow Blade, Necromonicon
Core Items - Ganker: Phase Boots, Dagon, Orchid of Malevolence
Situational Items: Medallion of Courage, Black King Bar, Orchid of Malevolence, Monkey King Bar
Extension Tabs: Daedalus, Desolator, Scythe of Vyse

Nyx Assassin (Middle)
Added Blink Dagger to Extension Items
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 09 2014 17:02 GMT
#2502
Phase Boots on Furion are primarily a lane decision and less about role. Generally Phase when laning and Treads when jungling.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 09 2014 17:41 GMT
#2503
On December 10 2014 02:02 TheYango wrote:
Phase Boots on Furion are primarily a lane decision and less about role. Generally Phase when laning and Treads when jungling.


My logic was: early ganks and more active role: phase
non-team fight/passive: treads
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 09 2014 17:45 GMT
#2504
I mean, if you're getting Midas first, nothing you get after your Midas constitutes "early" anymore.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 09 2014 17:56 GMT
#2505
On December 10 2014 02:45 TheYango wrote:
I mean, if you're getting Midas first, nothing you get after your Midas constitutes "early" anymore.


touche, ill just switch them to treads
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-09 18:02:55
December 09 2014 18:01 GMT
#2506
U can do phase + midas but if u do it should really be in that order. Buy phase, tp places and bully people, buy midas to make up for farm time missed etc while tp'ing to fight. On the logic that once people are like level 7-10 u tp'ing in with just right clicks and sprout is often not helping anymore so u need to get that farm on. Yes, you could go dagon but that build's exceedingly 1-dimensional and sometimes its not the right dimension.

Furion's item builds are exceedingly flexible and situational really.
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ScarPe
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-10 21:26:43
December 10 2014 21:26 GMT
#2507
where is that crazy treads, 3-4 nulls plus blademail build, which is the very best early fighting build`?
(natures prophet)
Awaken my child and embrace the glory that is your birthright. -[The Overmind]
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 11 2014 08:19 GMT
#2508
On December 11 2014 06:26 ScarPe wrote:
where is that crazy treads, 3-4 nulls plus blademail build, which is the very best early fighting build`?
(natures prophet)


meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 11 2014 08:54 GMT
#2509
You have to be pretty confident in what you can and can't manfight when you play that build. I wouldn't recommend it to a beginner.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 11 2014 14:17 GMT
#2510
Im looking into a potentially earlier Enchant Totem (4), about to test it before applying. Probably won't keep it.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 11 2014 14:22 GMT
#2511
Hey, with that Earthshaker build, is there any time you would want soul ring rather than bottle as a situational item?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 11 2014 14:29 GMT
#2512
On December 11 2014 23:22 Plansix wrote:
Hey, with that Earthshaker build, is there any time you would want soul ring rather than bottle as a situational item?


Isn't that a really old-school build?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 11 2014 14:34 GMT
#2513
I think, I wouldn't know for sure. The only thing I could see happening with bottle is not getting runes if you are with a fast mid with great rune control that is able to suck them both up. But maybe I just need to be less bad.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
December 11 2014 20:22 GMT
#2514
no you're right. unless you are sitting on top of the rune at x:59, you may want to consider something else for your regen needs. even with a great mid, the other team's safelane rune is not guaranteed to be yours.

but honestly, if we're talking about pubs, you may wanna opt for arcanes to give everyone some mana and increase your mana pool so you can do more.

at that point its a matter of..do you want blink dagger or arcanes first

LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 12 2014 09:09 GMT
#2515
On December 12 2014 05:22 BluemoonSC wrote:
no you're right. unless you are sitting on top of the rune at x:59, you may want to consider something else for your regen needs. even with a great mid, the other team's safelane rune is not guaranteed to be yours.

but honestly, if we're talking about pubs, you may wanna opt for arcanes to give everyone some mana and increase your mana pool so you can do more.

at that point its a matter of..do you want blink dagger or arcanes first



http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129137630

Here's the build.

Bottle is already Situational.
Arcane Boots is already Core.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
December 12 2014 10:16 GMT
#2516
should add force staff to situational

also why no enchant totem at lvl 4?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-12 10:23:51
December 12 2014 10:22 GMT
#2517
On December 12 2014 19:16 ahswtini wrote:
should add force staff to situational

also why no enchant totem at lvl 4?


I was literally contemplating this a few posts up.

I think it was concluded previously that you need the second level in Aftershock to chain your ult + Fissure and mana restriction issues. I'll find the post for you.

Yes, I will add FS to sitiuational

here's the discussion it

http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/the-tavern/453377-in-game-standard-guide-project-1-year-40m-subs?page=107#2135

On October 07 2014 09:10 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 03:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
Totem at 8 is still essentially only optimal if u have a blink at 6/7 which seems unlikely for most games.

Otherwise ur not gonna get to ult->fissure very often so the key benefit of aftershock 2 is limited and the value of a free extra proc + extra dmg from totem seems 100% worth it at 2 or 4 depending on how ur laning phase is going.

AKA totem at 8 seems bad for cookie cutter but w/e.

Well, no, the other time you'd rather have totem at 8 is if you don't have Arcanes yet at 6/7, because without Arcanes, your mana is a bit too tight to actually use enough Enchant Totem enough for it to be worthwhile. At level 7, Earthshaker has 338 mana when Fissure+Echo is 315. A few Branches lets you squeeze out the 365 needed to fit an Enchant Totem in there, and you also have Stick charges, but if you're going to use Stick charges, a lot of the time you'd rather just cast a 2nd Fissure rather than the 1-2 Enchant Totems.

If you're doing well enough to have Arcanes at 6/7 (true of a safe trilane Shaker that can pull creeps freely) then earlier Totem is fine. But if you're on the poorer side (true of an offlane 2v2 Shaker who won't have any direct gold income unless he gets kills), it's totally reasonable to have a scenario where mana is tight enough for you that you'd rather wait till you have a few extra levels' worth of mana before you get Enchant Totem. Especially if Fissure is required as a defensive counter-pushing spell due to your teamcomp and you need to cast a Fissure to slow a push before a fight actually starts--you'll clarity up to make back some of the mana, but you'd be really hard pressed to fit all 3 spells into your mana even with stick charges if a fight happens soon after.

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 12 2014 10:29 GMT
#2518
Oracle (Lane)
Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
Moved Force Staff to Core Items

Rubick
Removed Bottle
Added Urn of Shadows to Core Items
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items

Nature's Prophet
Rearranged Item Build:
Core Items - Carry: Hand of Midas, Phase Boots, Mjollnir
Core Items - Pusher: Hand of Midas, Power Treads, Shadow Blade, Necromonicon
Core Items - Ganker: Phase Boots, Dagon, Orchid of Malevolence
Situational Items: Medallion of Courage, Black King Bar, Orchid of Malevolence, Monkey King Bar
Extension Tabs: Daedalus, Desolator, Scythe of Vyse

Nyx Assassin (Middle)
Added Blink Dagger to Extension Items

Earthshaker
Added Veil of Discord to Situational Items
Added Force Staff to Situational Items
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
December 12 2014 11:30 GMT
#2519
i dont agree with that assessment above, the reasoning that you are saving all your mana for fissure into echo at lvl 7 is only valid if you're going to be literally sitting around with your finger up your ass for the first 6 levels. you want to trade an extra 50 attack damage plus a stun, for an extra 25 magic damage and 0.3s of stun that you're realistically only going to proc when you waddle in and echo?

checking dotabuff, most of the top 10 es players will take an early point in enchant, and i checked that those weren't games where they were going the mike tyson build. all im saying is that early enchant build is hardly the unusual build that you seem to be making it out to be. perhaps some BLUE STRATEGIC POSTERS can chip in on this.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
December 12 2014 12:17 GMT
#2520
On December 12 2014 18:09 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 05:22 BluemoonSC wrote:
no you're right. unless you are sitting on top of the rune at x:59, you may want to consider something else for your regen needs. even with a great mid, the other team's safelane rune is not guaranteed to be yours.

but honestly, if we're talking about pubs, you may wanna opt for arcanes to give everyone some mana and increase your mana pool so you can do more.

at that point its a matter of..do you want blink dagger or arcanes first



http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129137630

Here's the build.

Bottle is already Situational.
Arcane Boots is already Core.


yep, just affirming this :D
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