EPTu buy aghs
and if u have spare gold after that, force/euls/hex/wahtever ur team needs.
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Sn0_Man
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u buy aghs and if u have spare gold after that, force/euls/hex/wahtever ur team needs. | ||
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if u don't have gold for items cuz ur the only support then it doesn't matter one bit what ur item guide is simple technically yes urn is nice if ur poor and sometimes its worth it to finish a force staff. But those are imo too situational to properly indicate in a guide like this. | ||
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I'll remove Meka | ||
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Buckyman
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On November 22 2014 02:07 Sn0_Man wrote: technically yes urn is nice if ur poor and sometimes its worth it to finish a force staff. But those are imo too situational to properly indicate in a guide like this. I think your analysis is subtly off. If I have a little spare gold as AA, casual Point Booster is one of the better ways to spend it, but not the best. I can complete it much later, and have HP in the meantime. Alternatively, if I expect more farm, I can buy Staff of Wizardry. It doesn't help as much immediately. But it does let me decide in a few minutes whether to get Aghs first or a tier-2 item like Eul's or a Force Staff. This is the main reason why Eul's or Atos should be in the guide. (E): Suggestion: Make Force Staff core for Mid but situational for Lane, since Mid can expect to have more farm. | ||
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On November 22 2014 02:49 Buckyman wrote: I think your analysis is subtly off. If I have a little spare gold as AA, casual Point Booster is one of the better ways to spend it, but not the best. I can complete it much later, and have HP in the meantime. Alternatively, if I expect more farm, I can buy Staff of Wizardry. It doesn't help as much immediately. But it does let me decide in a few minutes whether to get Aghs first or a tier-2 item like Eul's or a Force Staff. This is the main reason why Eul's or Atos should be in the guide. They are both in the guide | ||
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Sn0_Man
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Mid AA can either rush mek and do shit with team or rush atos(euls if atos doesn't work) and do shit solo (usually dependant on what ur teammates are capable of). Either way Aghs is in the build but as extension. Lane (aka support) AA is super different and is all about the aghs cuz its literally the only item that changes ur game impact imo. Force/euls are good but not on the same tier. PS: for mid AA i'd recommend a point in ice vortex at 4 since it gets u the max pre-11 and is a great value-point skill. | ||
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On November 22 2014 02:56 Buckyman wrote: I fixed the quote right after you re-quoted it. Whoops haha | ||
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So Arcane -> Urn -> Orchid | ||
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On November 22 2014 03:02 Sn0_Man wrote: Your dual core build for AA mid sux anyway cuz the question u should ask isnt "aghs or not" its actually "mek or not". Mid AA can either rush mek and do shit with team or rush atos(euls if atos doesn't work) and do shit solo (usually dependant on what ur teammates are capable of). Either way Aghs is in the build but as extension. Lane (aka support) AA is super different and is all about the aghs cuz its literally the only item that changes ur game impact imo. Force/euls are good but not on the same tier. PS: for mid AA i'd recommend a point in ice vortex at 4 since it gets u the max pre-11 and is a great value-point skill. Ok, sounds like AA needs a complete redo but I felt we had this discussion before | ||
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Mid AA is completely different. In an ideal world, you rush atos and then literally run around the map going coldfeet->atos->ice vortex->ult and kill pretty much anything without an escape 100->0 since u can guarantee coldfeet procs and ult hits. However, sometimes that isn't viable, and then you have to go mek and group with ur team to fight. Either way, ur next item *should* be aghs probably although either force or euls would be okay too (into aghs, always). | ||
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 TimbersawMoved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items Added Blade Mail to Situational Items Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items Removed Power Treads Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Ancient Apparition (lane) Removed Mekansm New Guide Oracle (Lane) Skill Build: Q W E E E R E Q Q Q R W W W (1. Purifying Flames 2. Fortune's End 3. Fate's Edict) Starting Items: 3x Iron Branches, Tangos, Clarity, Healing Salve Early Game: Boots of Speed, Magic Wand Core Items: Arcane Boots, Urn of Shadows, Mekansm, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Situational Items: Bottle, Force Staff, Orchid of Malevolence, Dagon Extension Items: Ethereal Blade, Shiva's Guard, Scythe of Vyse New Guide Oracle (Middle) Skill Build: Q E E W E R E Q Q Q R W W W (1. Purifying Flames 2. Fortune's End 3. Fate's Edict) Starting Items: Mantle of Intelligence, 2x Iron Branches, Tangos, Early Game: Bottle, Boots of Speed Core Items: Arcane Boots, Urn of Shadows, , Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Situational Items: Force Staff, Mekansm, Dagon Extension Items: Ethereal Blade, Orchid of Malevolence, Shiva's Guard, Scythe of Vyse + Show Spoiler + As a reminder, these heroes still need ratings and feedback, I unfortunately need to be more of a pest about it because they are difficult to attract attention: Kunkka (Middle) Build Weaver (Lane) Build Dragon Knight (Middle) Build Skywrath Mage (Lane) Build Tusk (Middle) Build Naga Siren (Middle) Build Elder Titan (Lane) Build Ursa (Lane) Build Nyx Assassin (Lane) Build Axe (Jungle) Build Ember Spirit (Middle) Build Lifestealer (Lane) Build Shadow Shaman (Middle) Build Earth Spirit (Middle) Build Troll Warlord (Middle) Build Silencer (Middle) | ||
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Moved Mekansm to Situational Items I feel Oracle should be more offensive mid and expect other support heroes to get the Mekansm. On November 22 2014 04:00 Sn0_Man wrote: Support AA is imo similar yes Mid AA is completely different. In an ideal world, you rush atos and then literally run around the map going coldfeet->atos->ice vortex->ult and kill pretty much anything without an escape 100->0 since u can guarantee coldfeet procs and ult hits. However, sometimes that isn't viable, and then you have to go mek and group with ur team to fight. Either way, ur next item *should* be aghs probably although either force or euls would be okay too (into aghs, always). As soon as I get a break, I'll rework both. | ||
TheYango
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Oracle mid's relative burst maxes out at 7-9 because he has 2 nukes and a non-nuke ult. Even if you want an "offensive" first item it would be Blink or Force, followed by Mek second. By the time you'd finish Orchid he'd be far past his prime in terms of solo-killing ability. | ||
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^^^^ not a serious suggestion | ||
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