EPTThe reasoning is comparable to bane although I understand that bane has longer CD's.
It's hard for me to be definitive here because I've never played the hero.
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The reasoning is comparable to bane although I understand that bane has longer CD's. It's hard for me to be definitive here because I've never played the hero. | ||
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Soul Ring is essentially a long-term sustain item. Additionally, it has to immediately be activated with the spell you're using mana on, so it's more for heroes that want to use whatever spell they've got more or less every time it's on CD like DS Ion Shell or Broodmother Spawn Spiderlings. As a pure mana source for making sure you've got mana in fights, it's inferior to Arcane Boots not because Arcane Boots gives you mana over time, but because Arcane Boots gives you a ton of +max mana. The thing is, spamming Oracle's spells by themselves doesn't actually do anything. Purifying Flames does basically nothing if it's not being combo'ed for a specific purpose, so you're not spamming spells on every wave. Your lane harass comes largely from abusing your good animation and bullshit autoattack range for autoattack damage, then trying to push the EEQE combo when they're in burst range. You're not going to throw a single EQ combo at them every wave just for the hell of it and itemizing to do that is silly. Additionally, Oracle's spells aren't really farming spells either, so unlike the aforementioned 2 Soul Ring user examples, you can't use Soul Ring mana to farm when there isn't an immediate lane opponent for you to use them on. Basically the only time you'll spend mana is if you're killing someone or saving someone, i.e. actually fighting. Between fights you have time to get runes and send Clarities. Your spell usage pattern simply doesn't fit a Soul Ring user. | ||
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 TimbersawMoved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items Added Blade Mail to Situational Items Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items Removed Power Treads Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Draft Guide Oracle (Lane) Skill Build: Q W E E E R E Q Q Q R W W W (1. Purifying Flames 2. Fortune's End 3. Fate's Edict) Starting Items: 3x Iron Branches, Tangos, Clarity, Healing Salve Early Game: Boots of Speed, Magic Wand Core Items: Arcane Boots, Urn of Shadows, Mekansm, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Situational Items: Bottle, Force Staff, Orchid of Malevolence, Dagon Extension Items: Ethereal Blade, Shiva's Guard, Scythe of Vyse Draft Guide Oracle (Middle) Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W Q Q R W W W (1. Purifying Flames 2. Fortune's End 3. Fate's Edict) Starting Items: 3x Iron Branches, Tangos, Early Game: Bottle, Boots of Speed, Magic Wand Core Items: Arcane Boots, Urn of Shadows, Mekansm, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Situational Items: Force Staff, Orchid of Malevolence, Dagon Extension Items: Ethereal Blade, Shiva's Guard, Scythe of Vyse Notes:
+ Show Spoiler + As a reminder, these heroes still need ratings and feedback, I unfortunately need to be more of a pest about it because they are difficult to attract attention: Kunkka (Middle) Build Weaver (Lane) Build Dragon Knight (Middle) Build Skywrath Mage (Lane) Build Tusk (Middle) Build Naga Siren (Middle) Build Elder Titan (Lane) Build Ursa (Lane) Build Nyx Assassin (Lane) Build Axe (Jungle) Build Ember Spirit (Middle) Build Lifestealer (Lane) Build Shadow Shaman (Middle) Build Earth Spirit (Middle) Build Troll Warlord (Middle) Build desperately needs ratings to be in the database Silencer (Middle) | ||
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TheYango
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This is especially true because most people are used to mid laners who have highest relative solo-kill potential at 6, whereas Oracle actually gains no damage from hitting level 6 and has his highest relative kill potential at 5. You're going to get a lot of players who don't play scared enough because its a level 5 mid hero and totally underestimate your burst damage. | ||
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On November 21 2014 06:43 TheYango wrote: Also, I think the mid guide should be 2-0-3 at level 5, rather than 1-1-3, because maximizing your combo damage to get a solo kill is more likely to get returns than a "just in case" Fate's Edict to save yourself. 50 mana to fuck up their lasthitting which you suggested a few pages ago is stupid when the cost is 75 damage off your level 5 combo damage. This is especially true because most people are used to mid laners who have highest relative solo-kill potential at 6, whereas Oracle actually gains no damage from hitting level 6 and has his highest relative kill potential at 5. You're going to get a lot of players who don't play scared enough because its a level 5 mid hero and totally underestimate your burst damage. edit: im dumb | ||
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Sn0_Man
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On November 21 2014 06:46 Torte de Lini wrote: Fate's Edict is to deny mid creeps, it's even in the notes. diiiiid u read his post? | ||
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Ah, I read it now. Sorry. I look dumb lol | ||
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On November 21 2014 06:48 TheYango wrote: I mean, you can waste 50 mana to stop a lasthit, or you can kill them at level 3 because people who've never played against the hero don't expect a 500-damage combo at level 3. But it's 50 mana to stop lasthit + harassment amplification (damage amplified) | ||
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On November 21 2014 06:53 TheYango wrote: Why the fuck would they stand there to get right-clicked if they're disarmed? Why would you not just kill them when the only reason to put the hero mid is because he has comparable burst to Zeus or Tiny Ava+Toss? Now that I think about it, Fate's Edict doesn't serve any worthwhile purpose during the early game right after 6. | ||
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On November 21 2014 06:49 Birdie wrote: Lion's third ability has a grammatical mistake; it says "The range is quite well" but should be "The range is quite good". fixed in a sec! | ||
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On November 21 2014 07:00 TheYango wrote: It's primarily a defensive spell early game to combo with Purifying Flames to prevent the magic damage and allow Purifying Flames to act as an ally heal. The thing is, if you're mid, there's no one else to save and if you get ganked, it probably won't save you unless the enemy heroes ganking you horribly mismanage their spells. Plus you get 6 fast enough off mid that your defensive fallback is going to be your ult because it has a 20s CD. Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W Q Q R W W W (1. Purifying Flames 2. Fortune's End 3. Fate's Edict) Also: EEQE combo? You mean: EQE right? | ||
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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=344511398 -- LANE | ||
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Sn0_Man
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On November 21 2014 07:59 Torte de Lini wrote: Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W Q Q R W W W (1. Purifying Flames 2. Fortune's End 3. Fate's Edict) Also: EEQE combo? You mean: EQE right? Technically EEQE is the most damage if you can ensure 6 seconds to cast everything since the damage from E heavily outscales the heal for the first 3 seconds you'd get 3 E nukes minus 3 seconds of E heal basically But often ur stuck just E-Q-E in order to actually get off ur spells without just healing the enemy | ||
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On November 21 2014 08:12 Sn0_Man wrote: Technically EEQE is the most damage if you can ensure 6 seconds to cast everything since the damage from E heavily outscales the heal for the first 3 seconds you'd get 3 E nukes minus 3 seconds of E heal basically But often ur stuck just E-Q-E in order to actually get off ur spells without just healing the enemy Guess it depends on the line-up BE SURE TO RATE THE GUIDES UP! Also bottle on Mid hero seems a bit over-the-top in terms of mana regeneration lol | ||
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