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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 19 2014 19:13 GMT
#2361
On November 20 2014 03:35 Buckyman wrote:
It looks like several of your other guides (e.g. Abaddon, Clockwerk and Dazzle) have the same early game branches into wand into core mek pattern. Why is the wand upgrade a good idea?

Also,
Abaddon: Mek is a core item, description says it's situational.


The wand upgrade is purely to promote a good habit + wand is so universally situational on most heroes that this was my way of killing two birds with one stone.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
November 20 2014 05:51 GMT
#2362
What's this good habit?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 20 2014 06:34 GMT
#2363
Magic Stick/Wand.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 07:09:27
November 20 2014 07:08 GMT
#2364
Noted. Original advice stands.

Heroes with starting branches and core Mek should list Magic Stick rather than Magic Wand as an early-game item.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 20 2014 09:41 GMT
#2365
I'll consider it, but a few more opinions on the matter will help.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 12:05:46
November 20 2014 12:05 GMT
#2366
personally I get a stick on just about every hero I play..but i rarely upgrade to wand, even if I have the branches bc that 150g can be spent elsewhere..but other games i'll upgrade it to free up several slots.

the thing with the upgrade is that you're paying to free up inventory slots, basically..plus a few more charges. like torte said, the upgrade is universally situational and sometimes you're better off with just the stick instead of delaying something like upgraded boots by several creeps..but sometimes you're behind and want the slots, but don't want to give up the small stat gain.

I also have friends who get a wand every game, even if they don't need it. we're not all professional players and everyone plays a different way so you'll probably hear 10 different opinions on when to upgrade and when to sell the branches and keep the wand for a bit.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 21:03:28
November 20 2014 20:02 GMT
#2367
Timbersaw
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items
Added Blade Mail to Situational Items
Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items
Removed Power Treads
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Draft Guide
Oracle (Lane)

Skill Build: Q W E E E R E Q Q Q R W W W (1. Purifying Flames 2. Fortune's End 3. Fate's Edict)
Starting Items: 3x Iron Branches, Tangos, Clarity, Healing Salve
Early Game: Soul Ring, Boots of Speed, Magic Wand
Core Items: Arcane Boots, Urn of Shadows, Mekansm, Eul's Scepter of Divinity,
Situational Items: Bottle, Force Staff, Orchid of Malevolence, Dagon
Extension Items: Ethereal Blade, Shiva's Guard, Scythe of Vyse

Draft Guide
Oracle (Middle)

Skill Build: W E E Q E R E Q Q Q R W W W (1. Purifying Flames 2. Fortune's End 3. Fate's Edict)
Starting Items: 3x Iron Branches, Tangos,
Early Game: Bottle, Boots of Speed, Magic Wand
Core Items: Arcane Boots, Urn of Shadows, Mekansm, Eul's Scepter of Divinity,
Situational Items: Force Staff, Orchid of Malevolence, Dagon
Extension Items: Ethereal Blade, Shiva's Guard, Scythe of Vyse

Notes:
  • Use Purifying Flames after Fate's Edict on allies to create a nice heal (damage is magic resistance blocked).
  • Fate's Edict to block lane from farming and to harass foes with the amplified damage
  • Combination is E (dmg) -> Q (dispels the heal effect) -> E (dmg)
  • W (dispel dmg) -> E (heal ally)
  • Fate's Edict does not block stuns or effects, it just nullifies the damage (so you can be targeted, but not damaged - wasting enemies' spells).
  • Orchid Malevolence completely disables foes with Fate's Edict
  • Use False Promise before Purifying Flames on allies to double the healing effect.
  • Avoid Fate's Edict on enemies if your team has a nuke ultimate.
  • Avoid Fate's Edict on allied physical carries before a fight.
  • Eul's Scepter works great to delay foes until Fortune's End has been channeled
  • Use Fortune's End to initiate an early first-blood



As a reminder, these heroes still need ratings and feedback, I unfortunately need to be more of a pest about it because they are difficult to attract attention:

Kunkka (Middle) Build
Weaver (Lane) Build
Dragon Knight (Middle) Build
Skywrath Mage (Lane) Build
Tusk (Middle) Build
Naga Siren (Middle) Build
Elder Titan (Lane) Build
Ursa (Lane) Build
Nyx Assassin (Lane) Build
Axe (Jungle) Build
Ember Spirit (Middle) Build
Lifestealer (Lane) Build
Shadow Shaman (Middle) Build
Earth Spirit (Middle) Build
Troll Warlord (Middle) Build desperately needs ratings to be in the database
Silencer (Middle)
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 20:35:23
November 20 2014 20:33 GMT
#2368
Your Oracle(Lane) draft now has 7 starting items. Intentional?

Sobi, Salve, Tangos, 1x Branch seems reasonable.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 20 2014 20:38 GMT
#2369
On November 21 2014 05:33 Buckyman wrote:
Your Oracle(Lane) draft now has 7 starting items. Intentional?

Sobi, Salve, Tangos, 1x Branch seems reasonable.


ha! oops
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7086 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 20:51:44
November 20 2014 20:47 GMT
#2370
Your starting items right now still cost too much gold (Sobi Mask (325) + 2x Branch (100) + Tangoes (125) + Clarity (50) + Salve (115) = 715 gold).

I would start with 1x Clarity, 1x Salve, 1x Tangoes, 3x branches. Possibly even courier/observer if needed.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 20 2014 20:48 GMT
#2371
sobi mask is 325
also is shit start item anyway since u can get from sideshop and at low levels flat regen compares better to %.
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7086 Posts
November 20 2014 20:52 GMT
#2372
On November 21 2014 05:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
sobi mask is 325
also is shit start item anyway since u can get from sideshop and at low levels flat regen compares better to %.


Good catch. It still costs too much though
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 20 2014 20:56 GMT
#2373
Sobimask is meant to symbolize the Soul Ring Recipe. There's no way for me to symbolize that though ):
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 20:58:39
November 20 2014 20:58 GMT
#2374
well then don't start with soul ring recipe
its not like you need a soul ring at minute 2 in order to be effective

I'm still hella dubious about soul ring at all
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 21:03:04
November 20 2014 21:02 GMT
#2375
On November 21 2014 05:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
well then don't start with soul ring recipe
its not like you need a soul ring at minute 2 in order to be effective

I'm still hella dubious about soul ring at all


You're right, I won't put it in Starting Items, it'll just be first item Early Game.

To me, Soul Ring makes sense since he has a way of regenerating that life anyways (at least twice before the cooldown ends)

What is the downside?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 21:09:30
November 20 2014 21:07 GMT
#2376
I'll start off by saying that I don't have a great handle on oracle overall but

I don't particularly see the value in buying a farming mana regen item on a hero who doesn't really use mana to farm.

Its like u dont see a soul ring on warlock (okay u dont see it on INTELLIGENT warlocks) because nobody gives 2 shits if u can regen the HP, the item doesn't do shit. Soul ring is good on heroes like enigma, who utterly lacks an HP regen tool, simply because he needs the mana to farm and farms really well with it. Same with ET.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 20 2014 21:10 GMT
#2377
On November 21 2014 06:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'll start off by saying that I don't have a great handle on oracle overall but

I don't particularly see the value in buying a farming mana regen item on a hero who doesn't really use mana to farm.


I dont think anyone really does.

I associate Soul Ring with an item that's only good if you can regen the mana back and it serves its purpose throughout the game.

Since we're getting Urn of Shadows though and Arcane and Wand, it might be irrelevant.

What do you think? I see Oracle as team-fighter and ganker, so I thought Soul Ring was interesting but perhaps not relevant given the other mana regen items
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 20 2014 21:11 GMT
#2378
Again, soul ring self-regens the HP. Its about how you use the mana.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 20 2014 21:17 GMT
#2379
On November 21 2014 06:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
Again, soul ring self-regens the HP. Its about how you use the mana.


Don't the low cooldowns and range warrant an early-game item like Soul Ring?

I mean: purifying flames + edict or fortune's end is a mana sap but can either keep your ally alive in lane or harass foes out.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-20 21:21:54
November 20 2014 21:21 GMT
#2380
i think urn + arcanes + wand should be enough to keep his mana pool relatively full until he gets eul's.

i'm definitely not qualified to make that call though..i'm just going off of what other high int-gain heroes have going for them.
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