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Aixler
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands946 Posts
February 10 2014 09:56 GMT
#461
Sadly that doesn't work like that when rubick steals dragon form with his ult.
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
February 10 2014 10:24 GMT
#462
Elder Dragon Form adds 372 range (melee range is 128) so Lina with Elder Dragon Form has 1022 range. I think the highest you could get currently is Elder Dragon Form + Take Aim on Lina which gives 1422 range. If TA and Terrorblade were in Ability Draft having Psi Blades and Metamorphosis as well would give Lina 2212 range.
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GtC
Profile Joined August 2013
United States546 Posts
February 10 2014 13:56 GMT
#463
Jeeez... That's almost 2 full blink ranges...
The Turtle Moves
Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
February 10 2014 16:25 GMT
#464
On February 10 2014 17:32 IceSlipper wrote:
Logged in for the first time in ages to post this..

I don't know if it's just at my mmr or whether this is widespread but I am starting to get frustrated at this mode (which I enjoy greatly).

My question is, are somewhat standard games/strategies actually completely void in this mode? Or is this just the mundane thinking of some players who see gank oriented drafts and just want to run around killing people/fighting with their fancy new custom made hero?

The reason I am asking is because I have had several games recently where I have drafted late game/farm oriented spells (e.g greevil's greed, or a viable jungle build), only to have my team abuse me, tell me farming/jungling is useless in this mode and if I want to farm I should go play all pick, report me and tell the other team how useless I am (even if we won/I end up carrying).

It seems like almost everyone I see in this mode is only interested in disables, nukes, escapes and attack modifiers (which lets face it, are all fun/highly valuable spells in their own right.. But there are perfectly viable builds outside of drafting a 2 stun, 1 escape 1 nuke hero).

Just to throw an example out there - one of my favourite games in this mode was where I ended up with Lina (march of the machines, sadist, inner vitality and rearm). Went mid until travels and soul ring then basically had unlimited rearms/march of the machines due to soul ring/sadist and inner vitality without even having to return to the fountain via teleport/rearm..

tl;dr is nobody else interested in the viability of strategies/concepts in this mode outside of bash and crash teamwipes until someone wins?



=p Strange. Where I'm at, every single person goes lategame. And then you have a team with 5 people who want to carry xD vs. another 5 carry team. So if you're the one person who picks a supporting 2 stun lineup, buy wards and go ganking, you auto-win the game for your team.
Gotuso
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands733 Posts
February 10 2014 23:00 GMT
#465
On February 11 2014 01:25 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 17:32 IceSlipper wrote:
Logged in for the first time in ages to post this..

I don't know if it's just at my mmr or whether this is widespread but I am starting to get frustrated at this mode (which I enjoy greatly).

My question is, are somewhat standard games/strategies actually completely void in this mode? Or is this just the mundane thinking of some players who see gank oriented drafts and just want to run around killing people/fighting with their fancy new custom made hero?

The reason I am asking is because I have had several games recently where I have drafted late game/farm oriented spells (e.g greevil's greed, or a viable jungle build), only to have my team abuse me, tell me farming/jungling is useless in this mode and if I want to farm I should go play all pick, report me and tell the other team how useless I am (even if we won/I end up carrying).

It seems like almost everyone I see in this mode is only interested in disables, nukes, escapes and attack modifiers (which lets face it, are all fun/highly valuable spells in their own right.. But there are perfectly viable builds outside of drafting a 2 stun, 1 escape 1 nuke hero).

Just to throw an example out there - one of my favourite games in this mode was where I ended up with Lina (march of the machines, sadist, inner vitality and rearm). Went mid until travels and soul ring then basically had unlimited rearms/march of the machines due to soul ring/sadist and inner vitality without even having to return to the fountain via teleport/rearm..

tl;dr is nobody else interested in the viability of strategies/concepts in this mode outside of bash and crash teamwipes until someone wins?



=p Strange. Where I'm at, every single person goes lategame. And then you have a team with 5 people who want to carry xD vs. another 5 carry team. So if you're the one person who picks a supporting 2 stun lineup, buy wards and go ganking, you auto-win the game for your team.


Yeah this happens a lot. There's always atleast 2 people on your team that 2 pick passives, a carry orientated ulti (bonus points if it's another passive) and then their third skill is something random because there where no more passives to pick. What happens is that they are completely useless untill atleast 20/30 minutes in. And if the other team picked stuns/nukes/early game stuff then this is a pretty big problem. It's even worse if they did it on a int hero or a strength hero with bad stat gain.
Svetz
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia311 Posts
February 10 2014 23:08 GMT
#466
It's so hard to get a really imba combo unless the other team is brain dead with their picks. I've played quite a few games so far, and I always end up with 1 or 2 skills that I had to pick just because there was nothing left that synergized with my build. And it's the same for the other players in the game. I did manage to get fiery soul + goo on antimage which was great damage late game but there wasn't much in the way of stuns or support abilities on the team so we did eventually end up losing.

The most effective single pick ability i've seen so far is viper poison orb on melee str heros. Played against a clockwerk and he destroyed everyone early game
When I grow up I want to be Harry Dresden ;(
[Erasmus]
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia286 Posts
February 10 2014 23:19 GMT
#467
I managed to draft QOP blink + flaming lassoo last night...

And another game with skeleton walk + frost arrows + reapers scythe ganking machine...

Also I love mystic snake on support heroes. nice way to harass in lane without being too mana intensive, and a decent way to contribute to pushes/get some farm when you find a free lane. had a mystic snake/hex/nightmare/serpent ward draft and pushed down so many towers early.
TyrionSC2
Profile Joined November 2010
United States411 Posts
February 11 2014 00:49 GMT
#468
My experience in this game mode can be summed up by my first game of it.

Enemy magnus gets AM blink and RP. Blinks into 5 man rp at lvl 6.
Broodmother on my team has 2 auras and stampede.
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
February 11 2014 01:17 GMT
#469
Played a game recently as Webstealer. Lifestealer with spin web, venomous bite, juggernaut's crit, and some random ulti. Played mid and just owned the lane with one point in spin web for the first ten minutes. Never even needed a bottle.
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 06:10:27
February 11 2014 06:10 GMT
#470
Welp, my team just had a huskar with life break and centaur's double edge, but no berserker's blood.

Don't do that, kids.
Fuzzmosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada752 Posts
February 11 2014 08:39 GMT
#471
Just had a Blink Stike (PA), Battle Hunger, Headshot + Perm invis Legion Commander.

Forever chase and disrupt for this build. All I need is someone to start the fight I can jump on anyone, even their damage dealers, and perma stun or kill them. We have an Axe with Counter/Moment of Courage/Battle call and wolf form. He starts 1 fight in a 48 minute game. Le sigh.
I'm From Canada, so they think I'm slow, eh?
run.at.me
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia550 Posts
February 11 2014 09:04 GMT
#472
i refuse to q w e r therefore 3 passives + ult is the goal every game
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
February 11 2014 09:23 GMT
#473
Viper Orb + Brewmaster (or another melee hero with a good attack animation) is an absolute beast in the laning stages, ez first and second blood.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
run.at.me
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia550 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 09:48:55
February 11 2014 09:48 GMT
#474
mistake
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 11:32:37
February 11 2014 11:32 GMT
#475
Really liked this Blink + Wraithfire Blast + Sprint thing I had going last night on Chaos Knight. Tons of kills with it.

Took CK's normal ult too (ult pool was empty by that point) which was kinda nice but not as useful without reality rift.


Although I was laning mid against a Razor with Greater Bash and DAMN does that hurt at range. >_>
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
IceSlipper
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Australia1028 Posts
February 11 2014 13:27 GMT
#476
On February 11 2014 01:25 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 17:32 IceSlipper wrote:
Logged in for the first time in ages to post this..

I don't know if it's just at my mmr or whether this is widespread but I am starting to get frustrated at this mode (which I enjoy greatly).

My question is, are somewhat standard games/strategies actually completely void in this mode? Or is this just the mundane thinking of some players who see gank oriented drafts and just want to run around killing people/fighting with their fancy new custom made hero?

The reason I am asking is because I have had several games recently where I have drafted late game/farm oriented spells (e.g greevil's greed, or a viable jungle build), only to have my team abuse me, tell me farming/jungling is useless in this mode and if I want to farm I should go play all pick, report me and tell the other team how useless I am (even if we won/I end up carrying).

It seems like almost everyone I see in this mode is only interested in disables, nukes, escapes and attack modifiers (which lets face it, are all fun/highly valuable spells in their own right.. But there are perfectly viable builds outside of drafting a 2 stun, 1 escape 1 nuke hero).

Just to throw an example out there - one of my favourite games in this mode was where I ended up with Lina (march of the machines, sadist, inner vitality and rearm). Went mid until travels and soul ring then basically had unlimited rearms/march of the machines due to soul ring/sadist and inner vitality without even having to return to the fountain via teleport/rearm..

tl;dr is nobody else interested in the viability of strategies/concepts in this mode outside of bash and crash teamwipes until someone wins?



=p Strange. Where I'm at, every single person goes lategame. And then you have a team with 5 people who want to carry xD vs. another 5 carry team. So if you're the one person who picks a supporting 2 stun lineup, buy wards and go ganking, you auto-win the game for your team.


This is good to hear.. Guess ive just been unlucky lately..
Achaia
Profile Joined July 2010
United States643 Posts
February 11 2014 15:16 GMT
#477
I played a game as sniper with BH's Jinada. That guaranteed crit whenever I engaged was devastating. I literally one shot their Silencer at full health when I had a DD towards the end of the game. Also, I had Sniper's usual Assassinate ulti and was able to 2 shot most of their hero's with a Jinada crit + Assassinate about 15 min into the game.

Another Sniper build that I saw that was stupid OP was CK's crit, Drow's Frost Arrows, Luna's Bonus Dmg and Drow's Agility Bonus Ulti. Sniper was hitting like a freight train. Unfortunately the rest of our team wasn't as lucky on their draft and we still got rolled.
http://www.youtube.com/SCBattleGrounds
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
February 11 2014 22:19 GMT
#478
I just built an artillery Death Prophet with all the super long range skills: Sacred Arrow, Powershot, Torrent and Assassinate. All the skill shots were a lot of fun to play (though I'm terrible with Torrent), and the enemy heroes never knew what hit them.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 11 2014 22:20 GMT
#479
Well if u can hit arrow then the torrent is free
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GentleDrill
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom672 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-12 00:02:30
February 12 2014 00:01 GMT
#480
Oh god the tick rate on Shadow Shaman's Shackles is way faster than I thought it was. Got that, Cold Feet, Sticky Napalm, and Dismember on AA. For first blood I got 8 stacks on somebody, Shackled them, and they just died instantly, funniest shit I've ever seen.

I tried to get AA's ulti too but someone else took it.

I managed to construct what I thought would be a really good draft on Drow with Marksmanship, Drunken Brawler, Gust, and Cogs, but sadly somebody abandoned in the first minute so I never got to see it pan out.
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