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Not customizable.
That's still better than no shortcuts obviously, but I don't really want to have to learn two different sets of them :/
On October 16 2013 18:10 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2013 18:07 Czarnodziej wrote:
Amount of opinions brimming with technological idiocy regarding Windows 8 in this thread is staggering.
All the hate stemming from its OPTIONAL component, which is touch-optimized interface. A lot of people don't know how to skip the OPTIONAL components that are in it in the DEFAULT configuration. For example my GF is new to the PC universe and she prefers W7 on my PC than the W8 on her computer and asked me if i could put W7 on her computer. She asked me how i could do this or that on my computer and she couldn't.
You can actually remove the metro menu (or at least make it not fullscreen) ? Well I certainly didn't know that (but, again, I don't have windows 8, and putting it in the default configuration is still pretty annoying IMO)
I mean, I'm sure the metro menu is an improvement on many points, I just really hate that it takes up all of the screen
Does anyone with multiple monitors know how it behaves with your scondary+ monitors by the way ?
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I got w8 for free as a cs student at my university, so i decided to try it out. I was skeptical at first because i had heard so many bad things about it, but i found out that they were wrong. windows 8 is much faster on the pc since it is also designed to run on tablets, which usually have less juice. I think a lot of people don't like it because its the user interface is different from xp-w7, and it is a little less user friendly. if you take a little time to mess around with things and get used to it, i think it is much better than w7, and I do not have a touch screen.
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On October 17 2013 02:58 Natolumin wrote:You can actually remove the metro menu (or at least make it not fullscreen) ? Well I certainly didn't know that (but, again, I don't have windows 8, and putting it in the default configuration is still pretty annoying IMO)
I mean, I'm sure the metro menu is an improvement on many points, I just really hate that it takes up all of the screen
Does anyone with multiple monitors know how it behaves with your scondary+ monitors by the way ?
Start screen pops up on whatever monitor you have your mouse on.
And yes, there is software to change the height of the startscreen, you can see a picture of my setup in my profile.
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On October 17 2013 03:24 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 02:58 Natolumin wrote:You can actually remove the metro menu (or at least make it not fullscreen) ? Well I certainly didn't know that (but, again, I don't have windows 8, and putting it in the default configuration is still pretty annoying IMO)
I mean, I'm sure the metro menu is an improvement on many points, I just really hate that it takes up all of the screen
Does anyone with multiple monitors know how it behaves with your scondary+ monitors by the way ? Start screen pops up on whatever monitor you have your mouse on. And yes, there is software to change the height of the startscreen, you can see a picture of my setup in my profile.
Personally i don't think it matters i just type in what and click i want vs pinning or using start menu. Probably not the best for everyone but good enough for what i do.
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Windows 7 at home, and at work - I've messed around enough with 8 that I really do not care for it - the half a second boot time speedup for having to make the Windows key my best friend to get things accomplished, I'll pass. I'll keep my 7 and so will my work .
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Windows 8 at home, Windows 7 at work. I prefer Windows 8, but it honestly doesn't matter to me, I use the OS the same way, the only difference is that windows 8 is faster and more modern. I have no use for the old start menu and I don't see any problem with the modern interface, though it will obviously be far better when I have a touchscreen monitor, which I assume will be standard in 5 years or so.
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Windows 7, Mint 15. win8 is not bad, save for the new UI being essentially forced on desktop users. No need for a full-screen start menu when the old one does the same thing.
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On October 15 2013 15:44 skyR wrote:
Not crazy, the start button was a giant waste of space.
Yeah, because having a tiny 40x40 pixels icon in the low left bottom of the screen is such a HUGE, HUGE waste of space, and the important features it gives you like accessing all your most used applications, your default browser, maybe few lesses used programs but that are key to you and so you have them pinned on the start menu screen, of course the ability to see all programs arranged by alphabet in a tiled way, the control panel, documents, devices, etc... shortcuts that are customizable and removable if you don't want them there, your windows profile and settings, the easy shutdown button, etc... all easily accessible by pressing a 40x40 pixels icon that gives you so much control, so much flexibility, such ease of use is terrible.
I mean why make it easy and simple for yourself, when you can make it hard and complex?
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On October 17 2013 08:10 BillGates wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 15:44 skyR wrote:
Not crazy, the start button was a giant waste of space. Yeah, because having a tiny 40x40 pixels icon in the low left bottom of the screen is such a HUGE, HUGE waste of space, and the important features it gives you like accessing all your most used applications, your default browser, maybe few lesses used programs but that are key to you and so you have them pinned on the start menu screen, of course the ability to see all programs arranged by alphabet in a tiled way, the control panel, documents, devices, etc... shortcuts that are customizable and removable if you don't want them there, your windows profile and settings, the easy shutdown button, etc... all easily accessible by pressing a 40x40 pixels icon that gives you so much control, so much flexibility, such ease of use is terrible. I mean why make it easy and simple for yourself, when you can make it hard and complex?
How is any of this an issue in Win8?
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On October 17 2013 08:10 BillGates wrote:
I mean why make it easy and simple for yourself, when you can make it hard and complex?
There's still an invisible start button in the lower left corner of the screen on normal Windows 8. This makes the 8.1 button a waste.
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On October 17 2013 19:33 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:10 BillGates wrote:
I mean why make it easy and simple for yourself, when you can make it hard and complex? There's still an invisible start button in the lower left corner of the screen on normal Windows 8. This makes the 8.1 button a waste.
Wut ? Where ? Can't find it.
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Just click in the lower left corner of your screen. The target is about 5x5 pixel large.
There's also the top left corner of the screen which jumps between the last two apps you have visited. The desktop counts as an app, so you can swap between an app and the desktop with that.
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On October 17 2013 21:39 Ropid wrote:
Just click in the lower left corner of your screen. The target is about 5x5 pixel large.
There's also the top left corner of the screen which jumps between the last two apps you have visited. The desktop counts as an app, so you can swap between an app and the desktop with that.
Well i Windows+D for desktop  But it's cool. I don't use W8 myself but my GF computer has it and it's a nice find. Thank you
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No, I meant you can swap between two of the new fullscreen apps with that top left corner. The whole normal desktop with normal program windows open counts as one "app" for that.
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On October 17 2013 23:22 Ropid wrote:
No, I meant you can swap between two of the new fullscreen apps with that top left corner. The whole normal desktop with normal program windows open counts as one "app" for that.
Oh ok thx
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I just started with 8.1, It doesn't seem awful.
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On October 17 2013 09:32 Gnosis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:10 BillGates wrote:On October 15 2013 15:44 skyR wrote:
Not crazy, the start button was a giant waste of space. Yeah, because having a tiny 40x40 pixels icon in the low left bottom of the screen is such a HUGE, HUGE waste of space, and the important features it gives you like accessing all your most used applications, your default browser, maybe few lesses used programs but that are key to you and so you have them pinned on the start menu screen, of course the ability to see all programs arranged by alphabet in a tiled way, the control panel, documents, devices, etc... shortcuts that are customizable and removable if you don't want them there, your windows profile and settings, the easy shutdown button, etc... all easily accessible by pressing a 40x40 pixels icon that gives you so much control, so much flexibility, such ease of use is terrible. I mean why make it easy and simple for yourself, when you can make it hard and complex? How is any of this an issue in Win8?
Because it doesn't have it?
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On October 18 2013 13:49 BillGates wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 09:32 Gnosis wrote:On October 17 2013 08:10 BillGates wrote:On October 15 2013 15:44 skyR wrote:
Not crazy, the start button was a giant waste of space. Yeah, because having a tiny 40x40 pixels icon in the low left bottom of the screen is such a HUGE, HUGE waste of space, and the important features it gives you like accessing all your most used applications, your default browser, maybe few lesses used programs but that are key to you and so you have them pinned on the start menu screen, of course the ability to see all programs arranged by alphabet in a tiled way, the control panel, documents, devices, etc... shortcuts that are customizable and removable if you don't want them there, your windows profile and settings, the easy shutdown button, etc... all easily accessible by pressing a 40x40 pixels icon that gives you so much control, so much flexibility, such ease of use is terrible. I mean why make it easy and simple for yourself, when you can make it hard and complex? How is any of this an issue in Win8? Because it doesn't have it?
It does have a start button. It's in the lower left corner of the screen. It's popping up if you move the mouse pointer into that corner there.
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On October 18 2013 13:49 BillGates wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 09:32 Gnosis wrote:On October 17 2013 08:10 BillGates wrote:On October 15 2013 15:44 skyR wrote:
Not crazy, the start button was a giant waste of space. Yeah, because having a tiny 40x40 pixels icon in the low left bottom of the screen is such a HUGE, HUGE waste of space, and the important features it gives you like accessing all your most used applications, your default browser, maybe few lesses used programs but that are key to you and so you have them pinned on the start menu screen, of course the ability to see all programs arranged by alphabet in a tiled way, the control panel, documents, devices, etc... shortcuts that are customizable and removable if you don't want them there, your windows profile and settings, the easy shutdown button, etc... all easily accessible by pressing a 40x40 pixels icon that gives you so much control, so much flexibility, such ease of use is terrible. I mean why make it easy and simple for yourself, when you can make it hard and complex? How is any of this an issue in Win8? Because it doesn't have it?
It does have it. When Windows 8 starts up for the first time, it explains everything pretty well and quickly because there aren't many changes. It's a waste of space in that, you can have an entire desktop with just your wallpaper and some notifications on the left without the oddity of the Windows button on the bottom left. The whole argument is moot because it's now Windows 8.1 and that does have a start button (which I'm eagerly awaiting for the update to remove it again). The new start menu gives you everything you had before except it takes up the entire screen. Honestly, in terms of practicality it doesn't matter because you're going to be searching for something anyways. You can always type in whatever program you want to run without having to search for it.
The shutdown button...again it explains it very clearly the first time you boot up Windows 8 on where that is. Motioning your mouse to the top or bottom right gives you more options where you can access your personalization of Windows as well as change power settings, keyboard layout, etc etc.
Don't judge it before you've fully tried the experience. I'm probably biased though because I loved the new changes the first time I saw Windows 8 because I love having a very clean and tidy desktop and magically (the lack of a Windows button) being able to make all my programs appear full screen was almost like a rich Bruce Wayne/Batman fantasy (albeit a more colorful one).
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