EPTInstead of complaining about how "terrible" Metro UI is, I fixed it with a simple program and haven't seen it since first installing the OS. If you don't like Metro, don't use it. It's quite the novel concept.
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Jophess
United States95 Posts
Instead of complaining about how "terrible" Metro UI is, I fixed it with a simple program and haven't seen it since first installing the OS. If you don't like Metro, don't use it. It's quite the novel concept. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On October 22 2013 01:36 Cyro wrote: Skype is terrible with the IP stuff, forced auto updates (sometimes it will just NOT ask for permission), throwing ads (with volume!) in your face etc, didn't used to be that way. I don't actually know of a decent solution for IM with any kind of features (few people seem to be defaulting to stuff like IRC+teamspeak) Using pidgin with MSN gets pretty close to perfect if you're still using MSN. No reason for it not to work on 8.1. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 22 2013 04:06 Jophess wrote: Windows 8 with Start 8. Instead of complaining about how "terrible" Metro UI is, I fixed it with a simple program and haven't seen it since first installing the OS. If you don't like Metro, don't use it. It's quite the novel concept. True. I've done the same thing with Pokki, the only issue is often integrated shell that removes metro UI that is originally built into OS's are often coded much more effectively, and less hardware usage. I know most of the programs that change windows 8 to a more windows 7 UI, actually take up a large chunk of RAM. Hopefully windows 8.1 changes this (I'm dling it right now, will report back with opinion) | ||
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Jophess
United States95 Posts
On October 22 2013 05:36 wei2coolman wrote: True. I've done the same thing with Pokki, the only issue is often integrated shell that removes metro UI that is originally built into OS's are often coded much more effectively, and less hardware usage. I know most of the programs that change windows 8 to a more windows 7 UI, actually take up a large chunk of RAM. Hopefully windows 8.1 changes this (I'm dling it right now, will report back with opinion) Start 8 is currently using 952 KB of memory. 8.1 doesn't actually change anything regarding the start menu/button other than adding a button, which brings you to the Metro start screen. | ||
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MugenXBanksy
United States479 Posts
On October 22 2013 01:36 Cyro wrote: Skype is terrible with the IP stuff, forced auto updates (sometimes it will just NOT ask for permission), throwing ads (with volume!) in your face etc, didn't used to be that way. I don't actually know of a decent solution for IM with any kind of features (few people seem to be defaulting to stuff like IRC+teamspeak) To be completely honest the only time skype gives me shit is if I am streaming and then it just straight up crashs. Never got any of those pesky sound ads. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 22 2013 06:07 Jophess wrote: Start 8 is currently using 952 KB of memory. 8.1 doesn't actually change anything regarding the start menu/button other than adding a button, which brings you to the Metro start screen. I think classic shell was also another one of the light weight programs as well. I liked pokki quite a bit though, the search function off start was super nice. Been using 8.1 for a 30 minutes, the fact that you can keep your desktop background in start menu, makes going into the start menu less annoying visually anyways. Still not sure if I'm gunna keep the 8.1 start button. I might switch back to pokki, but I'm gunna give 8.1 a chance. Also, just looked up what powershell can do, windows 8 is a nice step up from windows 7 in terms of control of your computer Would like to have tiles in Metro to have some transparency. | ||
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B_Type13X2
Canada122 Posts
On October 22 2013 04:06 Jophess wrote: Windows 8 with Start 8. Instead of complaining about how "terrible" Metro UI is, I fixed it with a simple program and haven't seen it since first installing the OS. If you don't like Metro, don't use it. It's quite the novel concept. Exactly what I did, but you shouldn't have to install 3rd party programs to do what should have been an option on day 1. Metro should have been optional, but instead its forced enjoyment until you install 3rd party programs to make it into what it should have been. What happens to my dads laptop if something happens to it? I talked him through a reformat before but it is very frustrating over the phone to explain what 3rd party programs to install and in what order to do it in. All I can say is I hope 8.1 is free for people who already have 8. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On October 22 2013 03:39 B_Type13X2 wrote: [...] If Metro is so good why was 8.1 which essentially does what alot of modders and programmers did with add on programs necessary? The answer is [...] On October 22 2013 10:32 B_Type13X2 wrote: [...] Exactly what I did, but you shouldn't have to install 3rd party programs to do what should have been an option on day 1. Metro should have been optional, but instead its forced enjoyment until you install 3rd party programs to make it into what it should have been. What happens to my dads laptop if something happens to it? I talked him through a reformat before but it is very frustrating over the phone to explain what 3rd party programs to install and in what order to do it in. All I can say is I hope 8.1 is free for people who already have 8. I don't know what you want with 8.1. Did you see it? It fixes nothing about those problems you say 8 has. All of those are still there. For example, if Dad installs 8 on his laptop, the moment he clicks on a picture or .pdf, he will be trapped inside a Metro program, wondering where the taskbar is and how to quit the viewer and get back to his desktop and his web browser, starting to think about picking up the phone to call you. I think 8.1 does more if you have a tablet, exactly the opposite of what you want from it. There's less settings solely in the desktop Control Panel, and the Mail app is much better, and I think there's some sort of improvement about how two apps side by side work. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 22 2013 01:18 Mindcrime wrote: ? Powerpoint is the exact fucking same in Windows 7 and Windows 8. Nope, when you open an office document on W8 (at least for me) it takes it to full screen immediatly and you can't hit the windows button tu bring the "bar at the bottom" (sorry i don't know how it's called in english) because it brings metro. So it's a different way of display. It's not huge again i know. But you can't use what you know works on W7 or any of the older ones in W8 for that. (i just talk about lambda user, you can alt tab just fine). On October 22 2013 01:18 skyR wrote: I never said Windows 8 is great. It's just less crappy than Windows 7. Lots of people update for the heck of it. If you count searching as using metro than I use metro but besides that, I don't use metro. Windows Defender is built into Windows 8 now, I guess if you count that as a new feature than I use that. But no I don't really use anything on Windows 8. It has better multi-monitor support but it still sucks compared to DisplayFusion. IE10 is better but I still prefer Chrome. Why would I feel odd going back to 7 or XP. Search works exactly the same. I don't use start for anything besides search. I'm not sure what you mean with how I dealt with the start menu when it was 8.0? Rarely when I need a software I don't have pinned, I hit windows key and search. I refuse to update to 8.1 because 8.1 does not support MSN (yes I still use this, Skype is a POS). Well i can't know how people update for the heck of it when it costs something like 90€ to upgrade (i think at one point it was less but it was 30€ or something). Windows defender is built into Windows 7 as well so i don't understand what you are saying  Multi-monitor support is fine. I have 3monitors on my W7 and a WHDMI adapter (the wifi hdmi) that works fine in W7 and doesn't work on W8. But multiple monitor works fine in W8. Just the same has W7. I don't know what is display fusion. Is that a 3rd party program ? Ie 10 is kind of the same as ie9 for me (php developper here). But i use chrome as well. Oh ok you don't use Start menu. That's maybe why we see things differently. I use it quite a lot. On the other hand i don't use search. My computer is really cleaned up (i have 2,5Tb so i must file it because i want to find everything quickly. But i'm just a maniac :p ). On October 22 2013 01:31 Zocat wrote: What? Windows 7 (Laptop): http://imgur.com/SyFGXOb Windows 8 (Desktop): http://imgur.com/b0cPlwQ How is that a different position? I personally have both set do "Check for updates automatically, download & install manually". Also learn: Win-X most important shortcut in Win8. Also shutting down Win8: Win-D Alt-F4 Enter. For programs which you basically have always open: Pin them to your startbar. That's what it's for. And you can start them with Win-# (1-0 I think). So when I boot I hit Win (also removes the initial Metro) 1-2-3 and start my browser as well as 2 other programs which are running 100% of the time. For StartMenu: I personally dont see a difference between hitting Win and then selecting the program from my StartMenu or hitting Win and then selecting the program from my Metro interface. Also keep in mind that you can start additional instances of programs with holding the Shift-Key while starting them. If you're 50+ and afraid of hotkeys. Yes, stay away from Win8. If not, adapt and be more productive (most of those shortcuts also work in previous Window versions). Well i was talking about the shutodwn thing. (you know, start, stop computer etc...). And for windows update, it just that on W8 there is on option (default) that reboot the computer and you can't do something about it (it happens on W7 but you can say that you don't want to reboot). Again  Small thing.Oh cool about the shift key. I did not know that EDIT : Keep in mind that it just talking and asking question from me I'm not hating on anything. I like to see why people like something that i don't. Because if you don't have opinions that differs from you, you can't change your mind about anything So maybe i'll see here a lot of things that i don't know and that will help me deal with W8 when i must use it | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 22 2013 17:39 FFW_Rude wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On October 22 2013 01:18 Mindcrime wrote: ? Powerpoint is the exact fucking same in Windows 7 and Windows 8. Nope, when you open an office document on W8 (at least for me) it takes it to full screen immediatly and you can't hit the windows button tu bring the "bar at the bottom" (sorry i don't know how it's called in english) because it brings metro. So it's a different way of display. It's not huge again i know. But you can't use what you know works on W7 or any of the older ones in W8 for that. (i just talk about lambda user, you can alt tab just fine). On October 22 2013 01:18 skyR wrote: I never said Windows 8 is great. It's just less crappy than Windows 7. Lots of people update for the heck of it. If you count searching as using metro than I use metro but besides that, I don't use metro. Windows Defender is built into Windows 8 now, I guess if you count that as a new feature than I use that. But no I don't really use anything on Windows 8. It has better multi-monitor support but it still sucks compared to DisplayFusion. IE10 is better but I still prefer Chrome. Why would I feel odd going back to 7 or XP. Search works exactly the same. I don't use start for anything besides search. I'm not sure what you mean with how I dealt with the start menu when it was 8.0? Rarely when I need a software I don't have pinned, I hit windows key and search. I refuse to update to 8.1 because 8.1 does not support MSN (yes I still use this, Skype is a POS). Well i can't know how people update for the heck of it when it costs something like 90€ to upgrade (i think at one point it was less but it was 30€ or something). Windows defender is built into Windows 7 as well so i don't understand what you are saying Multi-monitor support is fine. I have 3monitors on my W7 and a WHDMI adapter (the wifi hdmi) that works fine in W7 and doesn't work on W8. But multiple monitor works fine in W8. Just the same has W7. I don't know what is display fusion. Is that a 3rd party program ? Ie 10 is kind of the same as ie9 for me (php developper here). But i use chrome as well. Oh ok you don't use Start menu. That's maybe why we see things differently. I use it quite a lot. On the other hand i don't use search. My computer is really cleaned up (i have 2,5Tb so i must file it because i want to find everything quickly. But i'm just a maniac :p ). If your office document takes you to full screen than you're using the office app... and not the traditional office. Hence my comment earlier about why are you using the office app? Traditional office on 7 and 8 are the exact same. Yes, Windows 8 was on sale for $15 for a few months but I think you're forgetting that people also have access to MSDNAA, TechNet, and some also do pirate it. My mistake. They rebranded Microsoft Security Essentials to Windows Defender for 8. I always get those two mixed up. Windows 7 doesn't have extended taskbar and can't have multiple wallpapers. Windows 8 adds this basic stuff. Searching will always be faster than navigating through folders no matter how organized you are. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 22 2013 19:05 skyR wrote: If your office document takes you to full screen than you're using the office app... and not the traditional office. Hence my comment earlier about why are you using the office app? Traditional office on 7 and 8 are the exact same. Yes, Windows 8 was on sale for $15 for a few months but I think you're forgetting that people also have access to MSDNAA, TechNet, and some also do pirate it. My mistake. They rebranded Microsoft Security Essentials to Windows Defender for 8. I always get those two mixed up. Windows 7 doesn't have extended taskbar and can't have multiple wallpapers. Windows 8 adds this basic stuff. Searching will always be faster than navigating through folders no matter how organized you are. I did not know it was an app... i thought it was the normal function. MSDNAA ? TechNet ? Multiple wallpapers on different screens i take it ? Well... I'm kind of like : "Windows+R" "H:\Music\Folder1\" etc... with autocompletion, it will always be faster this way The only thing i'll search with the search function are windows file (dlls, cab) or something like that. Also. How do you quote me on one line ? I'm always quoting big posts | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Hmm that's basically the exact same thing as pressing windows and typing that, minus pressing R. I quote by entering spoilers. | ||
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BillGates
471 Posts
On October 18 2013 13:52 Ropid wrote: It does have a start button. It's in the lower left corner of the screen. It's popping up if you move the mouse pointer into that corner there. Wow, its like I'm talking to little babies. Win8 doesn't have the start button, win8.1 brings the start button, but not the start button functionality that brings the start menu with its files, folders, shortcuts, search, profile, etc... So both win8 and win8.1 don't have a start button, which is important because it brings up the start menu which is extremly useful and you can do everything from it, without having to take a full screen and go in a different mode just to be able to do few things, than you can do easily and more efficently in win7 through the start menu. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 22 2013 20:18 skyR wrote: MSDNAA and TechNet gives you free Windows and other Microsoft software. Hmm that's basically the exact same thing as pressing windows and typing that, minus pressing R. I quote by entering spoilers. The same thing if you indexed all of your 2,5Tb discs though. Oh ok you spoilered But i don't get MSDNAA and technet ? If they give free stuff to everyone i don't see how that is legit. I might have to do a search for that | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I wonder if people actually use w8 at work at Microsoft. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 22 2013 20:53 skyR wrote: You don't need drives indexed to search. I have 5TB of storage, none of it indexed. I find it quite slow when i use the search when it's not indexed. I thought you had to. On October 22 2013 21:06 Sufficiency wrote: I feel Windows 8 will be a terrible OS to work on for serious tasks. As someone who use w7 at work I cannot imagine my frustration if I switch. I wonder if people actually use w8 at work at Microsoft. We have some people on W8 with new laptops at work. Some cry, some don't. We had a few demands on going back to W7 but not too many. Maybe 1/5 | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 22 2013 21:18 skyR wrote: Results come up as you type, at least for me. I don't really see how much more faster you would need it to be. Well results come up not as fast as you type for me. And search function also give you stuff that are INSIDE text file for exemple. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Search does not search inside file contents unless you specify "content:". | ||
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