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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
As much sense that makes, I feel there are other things that make a motherboard good for OC. If I understand correctly when someone overclocks a processor, they first set the processor to run at a certain GHz (through the multiplier) and then they raise the voltage to a value they feel will allow the processor stabilize at that frequency. Then they run a stress test and if that goes well, it means the CPU is stable (and temperatures also need to be reasonable). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Btw we have some 780ti numbers, it's easy landslide win at high end for 1080p/1440p (i didnt look at 4k because seriously) reference 290x vs reference 780ti - 780ti can pull 1200mhz while being cooler and quieter than 290x @1000 and is just way ahead, as much as 25-35% or even 40% occasionally. Reference vs reference 290x gets completely destroyed, and while it'll scale on water the nvidia card will too (though not quite as much because it doesn't have terrible reference cooler) though i don't see the point on running it waiting for 290 to show up with aftermarket cooling (pity that the card is basically launching 3 weeks after the 780ti unless you put aftermarket cooler on it or go water) but that's probably the value win in a few places | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I did some reading on the gk110 architecture and it's a really beastly thing. It's apparently never been used 100% (except for some professional thing, apparently) until now. Damn still 280X with crossfire seem to be on par with this card but at a much cheaper price. what's wrong with crossfire really? i know there are some issues but i don't know what they are, i thought such issues were mostly fixed with drivers | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On November 08 2013 01:09 Incognoto wrote: Has AMD ever won the high end? I did some reading on the gk110 architecture and it's a really beastly thing. It's apparently never been used 100% (except for some professional thing, apparently) until now. Damn still 280X with crossfire seem to be on par with this card but at a much cheaper price. what's wrong with crossfire really? i know there are some issues but i don't know what they are, i thought such issues were mostly fixed with drivers AMD hasn't been at the top in graphics cards in absolute single-GPU performance. edit: hm, that's not quite fair. For example, when HD 5870 (first DirectX 11 GPU) came 6 months before GTX 480 (Nvidia's first DirectX 11 GPU), then that was a win for AMD on the high end for a definitely nontrivial amount of time. Back before ATI was bought by AMD, I don't remember. Not in a while, anyhow. Historically they've never used chips as large (and expensive to produce) as Nvidia on the high end. The larger the chip, the more compute hardware you can cram in there, so that's that. If you're working with the same process technologies as your competitor but are constraining yourself to using smaller chips, of course you're not going to win the flagship battles unless your design is way more space efficient. Over six years ago, ATI's R600 (HD 2900 XT) was big but trailed significantly behind 8800 GTX / Ultra. The years before that, they were also behind through 9800 XT and so on at least. Crossfire issues are average fps not being a good metric for visual quality and Crossfire having relatively high average fps relative to actual visual performance, drivers issues, games support, high power consumption, high noise, etc... | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
I saw a deal (today only) on newegg for an intel 530 120GB drive for $90. Is this a decent deal? Newegg $89.99 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167180 MemEx $129.99 http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX48403 Is this a fine purchase or is there something else thats hot at the moment? Edit for links. | ||
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kirbzzz
United Kingdom7 Posts
I am about to buy a new computer and I think i know the specs I am going to get but I don't know how exactly good this computer is going to be. By this i mean I don't know the quality of games it will be able to run and and what graphic settings. Here are the specs: .Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-4570 (3.2GHz) 6MB Cache Motherboard ASUS® Z87-A: ATX, USB2.0, USB3.0, SATA6GB/S, SLi, XFIRE Memory (RAM) 8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT) Graphics Card 1GB AMD RADEON™ HD7770 - DVI,HDMI - DX® 11 Power Supply CORSAIR 450W VS SERIES™ VS-450 POWER SUPPLY Memory - 1st Hard Disk 500GB 3.5" SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 16MB CACHE What i would like from you guys is to tell me what is the highest end game this computer could run smoothly on at least medium, this will give me an idea of what kind of games i will be able to buy and play on it. Thanks very much in advance for any replies | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
On November 08 2013 04:21 Masq wrote: Looking to pickup a new SSD since my old one is nearly full. I saw a deal (today only) on newegg for an intel 530 120GB drive for $90. Is this a decent deal? Newegg $89.99 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167180 MemEx $129.99 http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX48403 Is this a fine purchase or is there something else thats hot at the moment? Edit for links. Samsung 840 EVO has much faster random read for $10 more, but in everyday usage it should perform about the same, I guess it's up to you. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On November 08 2013 04:21 Masq wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Looking to pickup a new SSD since my old one is nearly full. I saw a deal (today only) on newegg for an intel 530 120GB drive for $90. Is this a decent deal? Newegg $89.99 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167180 MemEx $129.99 http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX48403 Is this a fine purchase or is there something else thats hot at the moment? Edit for links. Intel 530 120GB is a good deal, not exceptional. Go for it unless you want to wait around for something potentially better. On November 08 2013 04:30 kirbzzz wrote:+ Show Spoiler + was advised to post this here: I am about to buy a new computer and I think i know the specs I am going to get but I don't know how exactly good this computer is going to be. By this i mean I don't know the quality of games it will be able to run and and what graphic settings. Here are the specs: .Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-4570 (3.2GHz) 6MB Cache Motherboard ASUS® Z87-A: ATX, USB2.0, USB3.0, SATA6GB/S, SLi, XFIRE Memory (RAM) 8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT) Graphics Card 1GB AMD RADEON™ HD7770 - DVI,HDMI - DX® 11 Power Supply CORSAIR 450W VS SERIES™ VS-450 POWER SUPPLY Memory - 1st Hard Disk 500GB 3.5" SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 16MB CACHE What i would like from you guys is to tell me what is the highest end game this computer could run smoothly on at least medium, this will give me an idea of what kind of games i will be able to buy and play on it. Thanks very much in advance for any replies Depends on screen resolution, AA, other settings. Actually, I'm not much familiar with the benchmarks and current game performance either, so it'd be as fast for you to search for reviews as it would for me. But HD 7770 is generally lower than what you want to play new games in decently high settings at 1080p. Unless you turn down textures and generally don't care for AA, 1GB VRAM is getting to be on the low end these days. The CPU is very good except for the most demanding stuff though. By the way, check the price. The Asus Z87-A is a total waste there. The power supply also kind of sucks. | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
On November 08 2013 04:30 kirbzzz wrote: was advised to post this here: I am about to buy a new computer and I think i know the specs I am going to get but I don't know how exactly good this computer is going to be. By this i mean I don't know the quality of games it will be able to run and and what graphic settings. Here are the specs: .Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-4570 (3.2GHz) 6MB Cache 270 Motherboard ASUS® Z87-A: ATX, USB2.0, USB3.0, SATA6GB/S, SLi, XFIRE Memory (RAM) 8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT) Graphics Card 1GB AMD RADEON™ HD7770 - DVI,HDMI - DX® 11 Power Supply CORSAIR 450W VS SERIES™ VS-450 POWER SUPPLY Memory - 1st Hard Disk 500GB 3.5" SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 16MB CACHE What i would like from you guys is to tell me what is the highest end game this computer could run smoothly on at least medium, this will give me an idea of what kind of games i will be able to buy and play on it. Thanks very much in advance for any replies If you're gonna overclock you need a -k processor. If not, drop the motherboard for a H81 and use the savings to have a R9 270X graphics card, that should do at least High on 1080p. | ||
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kirbzzz
United Kingdom7 Posts
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On November 08 2013 04:30 kirbzzz wrote: was advised to post this here: I am about to buy a new computer and I think i know the specs I am going to get but I don't know how exactly good this computer is going to be. By this i mean I don't know the quality of games it will be able to run and and what graphic settings. Here are the specs: .Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-4570 (3.2GHz) 6MB Cache Motherboard ASUS® Z87-A: ATX, USB2.0, USB3.0, SATA6GB/S, SLi, XFIRE Memory (RAM) 8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT) Graphics Card 1GB AMD RADEON™ HD7770 - DVI,HDMI - DX® 11 Power Supply CORSAIR 450W VS SERIES™ VS-450 POWER SUPPLY Memory - 1st Hard Disk 500GB 3.5" SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 16MB CACHE What i would like from you guys is to tell me what is the highest end game this computer could run smoothly on at least medium, this will give me an idea of what kind of games i will be able to buy and play on it. Thanks very much in advance for any replies Firstly, there is probably no point getting a z87 with that CPU. The main point of a z87 is to overclock, which cannot occur with the 4570 (K denotes that an intel processor can be overclocked). I am looking to purchase the exact same processor, and I'm looking to run it on this h81 board. $28 as compared to the $100+ for your other mobo. As for GPU, I was looking at a similar card and a similar setup and most people told me it would be able to do most stuff on medium, with new games edging towards low. In terms of price points, Newegg is still offering the Corsair 500W for 25, and microcenter the 430W for 20, which other seem to say are better than the 450W you've selected (maybe an expert can confirm). Also, I don't know how much you're getting the 7770 for, but November is the month of crazy deals. IIRC the 7770 is around the $80 mark, Newegg currently has a 72hr deal on a 1GB 650 TI Boost for $90-$100, which for a similar price is a better card (although still 1gb). The main thing of note here is really the z87 + non OC CPU. Unless there is something you REALLY want from that motherboard, you can save a bunch by going with an h81 Edit: Here is a rough idea of what im looking at getting. It might help you with your decisions. | ||
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Cheps
United Arab Emirates197 Posts
I own an evga x58 motherboard (http://www.evga.com/articles/00438/) and want to upgrade for bf4 as some of my parts are getting pretty dated (I built it in 2008). It runs dota/sc2 at high settings fine but BF4 is a bit more demanding. Here are my specs: i7 920 evga gtx 275 1GB 6GB corsair dominator ram Corsair 750 watt psup Acer p235h monitor I came here for some recommendations on new RAM/Video card parts that would work with my setup. I'm aiming for something that would run BF4 at high settings with 60+ FPS (currently it runs at 40ish FPS on medium with my setup). I'd like to stick with an EVGA/Nvidia 2 GB card. For ram I'm guessing 16 would do (I'm currently at 6), but I'm not sure if my i7 920 even supports that much. Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
* Did d0's even ship in 2008? c0 still has like 1ghz oc headroom Also, what operating system? Bf4 is very poorly optimized for running on windows 7, windows 8 has often significantly stronger (like 30%+) higher framerates and much more consistent frametimes in cpu bound situations. Maybe worth grabbing w8 and dual booting it (you dont have to activate or pay at first to use it legitly for like a month AFAIK) to see if it runs better once you have parts | ||
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IdiotSavant
United States88 Posts
On most of the builds you guys have this one [Fractal Design Define R4 Cases][http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008HD3E6Y?tag=tealiq-20]..but I was personally looking at this one b/c of its ratings Cooler Master HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Mid-Tower Computer Case | ||
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Cheps
United Arab Emirates197 Posts
It was either 2008 or 2009 I'm not sure  , but I know it was a while back.It's stock 2.66 GHZ so perhaps I should overclock, although I'm quite computer illiterate so I'll have to look up how to do that online. So it seems my GPU is my biggest problem right now..hm. I was looking at this one and read some reviews and it seems to be pretty good bang for your buck. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-130-910&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo How would I find out if that fits on my mobo? And I don't want to upgrade to windows 8 if I can afford not to. Too many problems trying to connect to work from home, etc etc (and I also prefer windows 7 layout better anyways). Thanks again for the response. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On November 08 2013 06:29 IdiotSavant wrote:+ Show Spoiler + What about the case? On most of the builds you guys have this one [Fractal Design Define R4 Cases][http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008HD3E6Y?tag=tealiq-20]..but I was personally looking at this one b/c of its ratings Cooler Master HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Mid-Tower Computer Case It has lots of ratings because it's a very old case. Define R4 and Arc Midi R2 goes on sale a lot for $60-$80. While they are slightly more expensive than the HAF912, they're also significantly better. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On November 08 2013 06:31 Cheps wrote:+ Show Spoiler + First, thanks a bunch for the response, Cyro! It was either 2008 or 2009 I'm not sure , but I know it was a while back.It's stock 2.66 GHZ so perhaps I should overclock, although I'm quite computer illiterate so I'll have to look up how to do that online. So it seems my GPU is my biggest problem right now..hm. I was looking at this one and read some reviews and it seems to be pretty good bang for your buck. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-130-910&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo How would I find out if that fits on my mobo? And I don't want to upgrade to windows 8 if I can afford not to. Too many problems trying to connect to work from home, etc etc (and I also prefer windows 7 layout better anyways). Thanks again for the response. All GPUs still use PCI-E x16 so there is no concern about compatibility. 1.1, 2.0, 2.1, and 3.0 are all backwards and forward compatible. GTX 650 Ti Boost is okay but not necessarily something you'd get if you're looking to play AAA titles at high. | ||
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IdiotSavant
United States88 Posts
On November 08 2013 06:39 skyR wrote: It has lots of ratings because it's a very old case. Define R4 and Arc Midi R2 goes on sale a lot for $60-$80. While they are slightly more expensive than the HAF912, they're also significantly better. yeah the article I pulled it from is old Forbes site about cheap builds. How is it significantly better? More room? better venting? also another question I have is on the RAM. How does the one listed hold up to Kingston? My brother recently bought some RAM from kingston and was looking for hyperX ones but apparently they arent made any more? just reds and blues Edit: still some for sale on newegg, etc. but are supper expensive compared to some of their other ones. also it was recommended that my graphics card be a R9 280X but doing an amazon search of that brought up a ton of brands. Is there one that you guys recommend? the prices on amazon are basically set at $300 no matter the brand | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
For video cards, probably stick to the big three. Gigabyte for $300: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125475 or ASUS and MSI at $310: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121803 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127759 | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
On November 08 2013 06:48 IdiotSavant wrote: lso another question I have is on the RAM. How does the one listed hold up to Kingston? My brother recently bought some RAM from kingston and was looking for hyperX ones but apparently they arent made any more? just reds and blues Edit: still some for sale on newegg, etc. but are supper expensive compared to some of their other ones. They are still HyperX, but that is just a brand. Those you picked should be pretty good if they're the CAS9 instead of the CAS11. | ||
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