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GTX 770 2GB is similar pricing, 4GB is $100 more but at $400, there's the R9 290 which is just wow. Nvidia fails on performance per dollar front on the high-end but has Shadowplay and upcoming G-Sync on its side but then again AMD does have its upcoming Mantle API.
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It's not the highest of qualities but has 47A on the 12V which is abit higher than the required 42A for the 770.
770 consumes about peak 18a at max overclock, not 42
Nvidia fails on performance per dollar front on the high-end
Depends which market you're looking at, here for example 290 + your own aftermarket cooler is barely cheaper than a decent 780 so it's not a massive lead in price:perf as the 290 is worse (hopefully aftermarket cooled versions are nowhere near £380), and the 290x makes little sense to buy IMO. You can get 290 with reference cooler and that's very strong for the price it is, but the reference cooler is so bad that it would feel terrible to do that, it's an entirely different card with something decent like an accelero on it
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On November 09 2013 00:20 Ata wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 23:18 Cyro wrote:It's not the highest of qualities but has 47A on the 12V which is abit higher than the required 42A for the 770. 770 consumes about peak 18a at max overclock, not 42 Thanks for the info, silly of me to look at this chart: http://forum-en.msi.com/faq/article/printer/power-requirements-for-graphics-cards and forget that total system power consumption in benchmarks is around ~400. And thx for the correction, ill edit my post.
GeForce GTX 560 Ti in SLi - 42A and a 700W PSU minimum
GeForce GTX 560 Ti - 31A and a 500W PSU minimum
So what, the first one consumes 500w and the second one consumes 200w? 
Yea, numbers like that are wildly overkill even for entire system power. You could run two 770's and haswell (all stock) on a good 500w unit, which is less than 42a (for two cards and a cpu, not just for one card)
Also, that guy on ocn is verifying his temps with a heat-gun-thingy (those things are magical) http://www.overclock.net/t/1439731/bored-of-waiting-for-none-ref-290x-check-this-simple-cheap-fix/40_20#post_21151141
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Basically the same? The 770's cost ~27% more, that's not even close. The $100 deal on the second one is a $100 discount on a shield console, not on the card
There's no point getting a 770 at $380 when there's 7970's/280x's at ~$300 (competitor) or 290's at $400 (vastly superior, though bad noise and can't stretch its legs to become vastly vastly superior instead of just vastly superior unless you mod a new cooler onto it or wait for aftermarket ones)
Unless you really want Nvidia features like Shadowplay that is (though it's in beta now, and was supposed to be in beta in June, so it might not even launch this year with proper options)
I dunno why US didn't get price dropped 770's (i heard they dropped but uhh.. they don't seem to have)
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On November 09 2013 06:50 Cyro wrote:
Basically the same? The 770's cost ~27% more, that's not even close. The $100 deal on the second one is a $100 discount on a shield console, not on the card
There's no point getting a 770 at $380 when there's 7970's/280x's at ~$300 (competitor) or 290's at $400 (vastly superior, though bad noise and can't stretch its legs to become vastly vastly superior instead of just vastly superior unless you mod a new cooler onto it or wait for aftermarket ones)
Unless you really want Nvidia features like Shadowplay that is (though it's in beta now, and was supposed to be in beta in June, so it might not even launch this year with proper options)
I dunno why US didn't get price dropped 770's (i heard they dropped but uhh.. they don't seem to have)
the price comment was aimed towards the 2 nvidia cards. not fully committed to any card yet but I'm just partial to nvida b/c I've mostly used them all my computer life.
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Oops, well, same comments still apply! It's hard to justify a 770 when it's $80 more expensive than 7970
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On November 09 2013 14:12 Cyro wrote:
Oops, well, same comments still apply! It's hard to justify a 770 when it's $80 more expensive than 7970
does this apply even with nividias shadowplay and the g sync coming up?
also when the gtx series has the game bundle atm?
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On November 09 2013 14:32 IMKR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 14:12 Cyro wrote:
Oops, well, same comments still apply! It's hard to justify a 770 when it's $80 more expensive than 7970 does this apply even with nividias shadowplay and the g sync coming up? also when the gtx series has the game bundle atm?
that would be my follow up question. The game bundle is a bonus..if you are like me you get games a year or 3 after they come out and are on sale on steam.
$80 for shadowplay and gysnc worth it? or stay with radeon, save the $80. keep in mind this rig will probably be the one I keep for a few years (5+)
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Nvidia has shadowplay (it's a bit semi-functional right now, may not be fully released for a while as beta was due to start in june and was delayed for 4 months, yet still has little function) and AMD has mantle
It depends what you want, g-sync looks really awesome especially if they throw out some high refresh rate monitors with it, but may cost a decent premium and will definitely limit monitor choice, it's also impossible to truly judge it unless you have two monitors physically in front of you. Shadowplay also seems really good for recording games (there's nothing to replace g-sync and shadowplay.. they are kinda unique in function - while Mantle's major benefit is higher gpu performance - which you could always throw money at if you really cared, that's my view at least)
I got a 770, but it's just soo hard to reccomend @26% higher price, 7970 has 3gb vram too
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GTX 770 2GB is similar or just slightly more expensive than the R9 290x.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127741
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125463
You're paying a premium for EVGA's post-sale support.
Only you can answer whether Shadowplay and G-Sync are worth it. If you don't record / stream than there is no value in Shadowplay and if you have no intention in spending $400+ on a new monitor in the foreseeable future than there is no value in G-Sync.
You also seem to be ignoring AMD's Mantle API which adds a lot of value to Radeons since all the consoles are using AMD. Nvidia is going to probably be at a major disadvantage if all the major developers adopt Mantle.
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^That's much more competitive pricing than the two linked before. I didn't think to check them earlier, but that makes more sense. It's actually kind of an option at those prices rather than $40 more.
I'm interested for the Mantle API and how it could run in the future with screen capture, dx9 has a lot of problems on that front and i'm not sure if dx11 is better or what the numbers are, but it probably won't be widely supported for a while, i think it'd be more of a factor for a GPU choice in second half of next year when we're @20nm and performance/watt and absolute performance jumps up.
I'm actually quite proud to see how far performance has come recently on the GPU front. 780ti has ~87.5% more cores than 770 and 50% wider memory bus while matching or even beating clocks (only a few 770 models are volt unlocked, and it's difficult to take kepler far above 1300mhz for 24/7.. but gk110 can still do it even with a ton more cores) so benches are pretty silly - we're at the point where a custom pcb and well cooled 780ti may be able to outperform a pair of 680's or 770's in SLI, which is crazy for it to even come close to doing that. Have seen 1200-1250 quite a few times on the reference cooler while making less noise and being cooler than 290x reference - at that point the thing FLIES
![[image loading]](http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7492/59733.png)
^that's @1160mhz, imagine it at 1300
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I'm really excited for mantle. It'll make the 7970 I bought even more worth which is definitely something I'm looking foward to.
But the whole GPU market at the moment looks like it's getting a good kick in the arse, really pleasant to see. You have great new cards in the 780 Ti and the R9 290 (neither of which seem to have been utilized to their full potential), you also have some great new features in development. That, with price cuts on already great cards, makes everything seem so nice. ^^
Also:
YERSH
I'm back home so I decided to check the box my 7970 came in. Apparently it's an OC edition (11197-03-40G), so I can actually raise the voltage. This is a pretty nice surprise. For €307 too.
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should have seen the asus 7970 matrix platinums for £222 like last month (~266 euro)
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For some reason I wish that Nvidia could use Intel's 22nm fab for these high end cards. We have a long time until we have TSMC 20nm cards...
Intel is basically done with mass produced 22nm consumer chips, so I see no reason they couldn't retool their machines to make GPU's. Makes financial sense for Intel as they can use older fabs longer. The price premium would be minimal in total cost to for Nvidia if they say only made GK110. Quattro cards are crazy expensive to begin with and enthusiasts would be willing to pay ~$50-100? more for say a 780/780Ti if it runs a lot cooler and faster and uses less energy.
Especially since AMD announced a titan killer (290X) ALONG time ago. Just think if the 780 Ti was 22nm not 28nm. Nvidia could have been like 'trollololol better luck next time'.
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They'd have to design a whole new GPU on whatever process, and 290x reference was not a gk110 killer it's a value offering
It couldn't beat 780 classy on air (all of the benchmarks against 780 are against stock reference, that is BEFORE you apply the ~40-50% overclock on custom pcb+cooled card which still runs cooler and quieter than ref 290x), competed with 780 classy/titan on water and now they all get wrecked by custom pcb 780ti (see above chart for reference 780ti at a lowish air OC)
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I posted in this thread with a build back in July, but didn't end up going through with the purchase for various reasons. Looking at ordering parts now for sure, though. Had to make a few changes to the original build and I've decided to up the 7870 to a 7970.
My budget is around $1,300 (flexible but less is better, of course). I'll be using 1920x1080 resolution mostly for gaming (streaming would be fun, but I wouldn't be streaming AAA games at 1080p or anything, mostly older stuff) and am aiming to build something that will run BF4 on fairly high settings with good framerate as a general goal. Pretty clueless about what upgrade cycle I would be looking at - I'd say around 2 years. Looking to order parts in the next 1-2 weeks. I don't plan on overclocking, will need an OS (getting it from r/softwareswap to save money), won't be crossfiring/SLI, and I would like to order all my parts from PCCaseGear - it's an Australian store and one of the more trusted/popular ones available. I really don't want to be dealing with a dodgy store just to save a few bucks. Heat and dust will be issues given where I live. It can get up to 40C during the summer and I like to have my windows open pretty much 24/7. I already have a kb/mouse and a monitor (LG flatron e2411), though I won't be able to salvage any parts from my current rig because it's like 8-9 years old.
Here's the build:
CASE: Corsair Carbide 300R Compact Gaming Case - link $105
PSU: Antec EA-550 Platinum - link $109
MOBO: ASUS H87M-E Motherboard - link $109
CPU: Intel Core i5 4670 - link $245
RAM: G.Skill Sniper F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 - link $105
GPU: Powercolor Radeon HD7970 3GB OC - link $319
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB ST2000DM001 - link $99
SSD: Samsung 840 EVO Series 120GB SSD - link $109
INSURED SHIPPING: $67
TOTAL: $1280
I was a little unsure about the video card. I'd definitely be looking at something around that performance level and that particular card seemed to be the best priced one, but yeah, I'm fairly clueless when it comes to this kind of thing.
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Look into a 280X, might be cheaper and it performs a bit better than a 7970 (it's a rebranded 7970). Good brands to look into are Gigabyte, ASUS and MSI, perhaps also Sapphire. Those brands have great heatsinks and you can overclock them.
You might be able to find a cheaper motherboard if you're not going to overclock. No reason to get an H87 board when B85 or H81 chipsets are cheaper and will work fine for a gaming rig.
Or you can dish out some more cash and get a 4670k and a Z87 motherboard, with OC capability.
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