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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
November 05 2013 17:07 GMT
#1801
I just found out on my FB that someone is selling his computer (little use) for 500$

Intel Core i5-3350P Ivy Bridge 3.1Ghz cpu
8 gb ddr3-1600 ram
Asus P8B75-M motherboard
500 gb drive
EVGA GeForce GTX 650 1GB gpu
Seasonic 380W psu
Zalman ZM-T2 case
Dvd burner

Obviously, its 1 generation behind. Unsure if it's worth it or not
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
November 05 2013 17:16 GMT
#1802
Only the CPU's a gen behind, which doesn't matter much for most things. It's a modern Intel quad core. Those things are pretty fast. The GPU just kind of sucks to begin with. It's like 1/4th of a GTX 770. If it includes a Windows license, that's pretty decent. Otherwise, that's kind of close to the cost of components. If your aim is to play stuff on low-medium, it should be bordering on reasonable at least. If the graphics card doesn't hold much utility, then it's definitely not worth the money.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 17:25:30
November 05 2013 17:23 GMT
#1803
Yeah "outperform" with this kind of CPU is 120fps vs 140fps. Obviously CPU is more important for SC2, but its not like you need a 4670k@4.5ghz to play the Game on Ultra o_0


3.8ghz vs 4.7 is more of a.. 30fps vs 45 in high supply 2v2*, so it's pretty relevant. Increasing graphics settings is super easy, low runs surprisingly similarly to ultra in high supply situations as long as you compare them with the same physics/effects/reflections settings and have an adequate GPU

*I'll post a vid! Is super cool
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
November 05 2013 17:33 GMT
#1804
On November 06 2013 02:07 XenOmega wrote:
I just found out on my FB that someone is selling his computer (little use) for 500$

Intel Core i5-3350P Ivy Bridge 3.1Ghz cpu
8 gb ddr3-1600 ram
Asus P8B75-M motherboard
500 gb drive
EVGA GeForce GTX 650 1GB gpu
Seasonic 380W psu
Zalman ZM-T2 case
Dvd burner

Obviously, its 1 generation behind. Unsure if it's worth it or not

I don't know how Canadian prices compare to USA prices. For USA prices that would be a bad deal, I'm building a 400-500 rig that is better in every single component for about $50 cheaper.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
November 05 2013 17:40 GMT
#1805
On November 06 2013 02:33 Dgiese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 02:07 XenOmega wrote:
I just found out on my FB that someone is selling his computer (little use) for 500$

Intel Core i5-3350P Ivy Bridge 3.1Ghz cpu
8 gb ddr3-1600 ram
Asus P8B75-M motherboard
500 gb drive
EVGA GeForce GTX 650 1GB gpu
Seasonic 380W psu
Zalman ZM-T2 case
Dvd burner

Obviously, its 1 generation behind. Unsure if it's worth it or not

I don't know how Canadian prices compare to USA prices. For USA prices that would be a bad deal, I'm building a 400-500 rig that is better in every single component for about $50 cheaper.


(this is where you post those components and prices to help out the user)
starleague forever
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
November 05 2013 18:07 GMT
#1806
On November 06 2013 02:16 Myrmidon wrote:
Only the CPU's a gen behind, which doesn't matter much for most things. It's a modern Intel quad core. Those things are pretty fast. The GPU just kind of sucks to begin with. It's like 1/4th of a GTX 770. If it includes a Windows license, that's pretty decent. Otherwise, that's kind of close to the cost of components. If your aim is to play stuff on low-medium, it should be bordering on reasonable at least. If the graphics card doesn't hold much utility, then it's definitely not worth the money.


It has Windows 7 with it.

I was also hesitant on the GPU since it looks like its an entry level

If you were in a 500$ budget, would you consider it?
*Take note that my friend has a total of 1000$ budget, but he is only able to spend 500$ for now
*He wants to replace his computer ASAP (in other words, he doesn't want to wait until he has the 1000$ ready)

A few posts ago, I was flirting with the idea of buying :
mobo, CPU, case, power supply and RAM. Using either the integrated GPU, or his old GPU (8800gt), using old HD and using old DVD... And when the other 500$ become available, then we can consider buying a new monitor, a new GPU, and maybe even a SSD
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 18:14:55
November 05 2013 18:13 GMT
#1807
His old 8800GT is better than integrated graphics and might not be that far away from that GTX 650 in that PC.

EDIT: I just checked, and the current NVIDIA drivers still support that 8800GT.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
November 05 2013 18:48 GMT
#1808
On November 06 2013 03:13 Ropid wrote:
His old 8800GT is better than integrated graphics and might not be that far away from that GTX 650 in that PC.

EDIT: I just checked, and the current NVIDIA drivers still support that 8800GT.


The 8800gt is starting to have issues though...
We used the conventional oven trick twice to bake his card in order to 'ressurrect' it (artifact issue)
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
November 05 2013 19:22 GMT
#1809
Depends which integrated graphics. HD 4600 on most desktop models should be about the same as 8800 GT, with GTX 650 being significantly better than that.

Also, earlier I was mixed up. The k series models don't have better integrated graphics than the others this generation. Most desktop i3/i5/i7 parts should have GT2 configuration, HD 4600 specifically.


If you don't need the drive and OS, I'd take the individual pieces route. Otherwise, that i5-3350P computer looks decent enough.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 05 2013 20:55 GMT
#1810
R9 290 is somewhat ridiculous, $400 for a card that with that kind of sick performance. I guess it's noisy as fuck though, which can be a problem. But the coolers presented are AMD's stock coolers, wouldn't ASUS/Gigabyte/MSI/Sapphire make quieter heatsinks for the 290?
maru lover forever
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 21:09:00
November 05 2013 21:05 GMT
#1811
On November 06 2013 05:55 Incognoto wrote:
R9 290 is somewhat ridiculous, $400 for a card that with that kind of sick performance. I guess it's noisy as fuck though, which can be a problem. But the coolers presented are AMD's stock coolers, wouldn't ASUS/Gigabyte/MSI/Sapphire make quieter heatsinks for the 290?

Look at this thread: http://www.overclock.net/t/1439731/bored-of-waiting-for-none-ref-290x-check-this-simple-cheap-fix

He posted pictures of how it looks like in the thread.

That aftermarket cooler seems to work A LOT better than the original one and fixes all problems. The VRM temperature readings are probably off, though.

Here is something about the 290 with a different cooler: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290-review-benchmark,3659-19.html
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
November 05 2013 21:15 GMT
#1812
Yeah, it usually takes a while to get custom coolers and board designs for new chips. However, since some aftermarket coolers are already compatible with it...

This is about the most significant performance gain (well, for a given noise level) from GPU aftermarket cooling there's been in a while.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 05 2013 21:17 GMT
#1813
Pretty sick shit

big ass win for AMD (minus them being stupid about their cooler), the GPU market looks like it's gonna go through price cuts
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
November 05 2013 21:25 GMT
#1814
big ass win for AMD (minus them being stupid about their cooler), the GPU market looks like it's gonna go through price cuts


780's went from ~£500-530 to dipping to £380 with constant availability below £400, waiting on the non-ref 290's to undercut. Ref is £320, but it's not worth it if you gotta pay the same price as a good 780 model (after getting a custom cooler and fans, though i hear accelero's don't cost that much), because 780 is better 1080p card. We shouldn't have to mod stuff for basic function, delidding and replacing coolers on such expensive hardware because there is no other decent option is silly. Kind of worrying to see both parties crippling their high volume parts like this and arguably for both the 4770k and 290x, their flagship parts. There would not be such gains (i'm seeing >30c drops reported with noise levels cut to half to a third) unless the cooler was bad enough to be completely out of place on a high end card
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 21:49:07
November 05 2013 21:47 GMT
#1815
Do note that many of the comparisons with aftermarket cooling seem to be open bench. The really obnoxious high-pitched stuff would be muffled somewhat by some cases, and the open air stuff doesn't work as well in a case. Having that 300W back in your case from using an open-air cooler is going to make everything else hotter and noisier (but that's still going to be worth it).

Well, it just hearkens back to GTX 480 days. It's not possible to make a case-exhausting blower cooler any quiet when it has to deal with that much heat, when you limit it to standard card height and two slots width. The aftermarket stuff usually takes 3 (sometimes 4) slots.

Arctic Cooling Accelero Xtreme III is around $70 and the Gelid Icy Vision Rev. 2 around $50. It's a significant amount but not all that much compared to the graphics card's cost.
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
November 05 2013 22:16 GMT
#1816
On November 05 2013 21:30 skyR wrote:
GTX 660 Ti is EOL and you'd also be stupid to pay $100 more over a GTX 660 for a GTX 660 Ti as 7870, 7950, and 7970 all offer superior value.


yeah i know the AMD are better thatn their 660 and 760 counterparts,
but the GTX series comes with 2 free games valued at $100 that i actually will play, (or if i decide, i can sell them)
Lorizean
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1330 Posts
November 06 2013 00:09 GMT
#1817
Hi!

I built myself a PC two years ago and I was thinking about an upgrade.
Any input is appreciated.

What is your current build?
Kingston HyperX 8GB DDR3-1600
XFX 1GB Radeon HD6870 Dual Fan
Intel Core i5-2400
Asrock Z68M/USB3 Motherboard
250GB HDD

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080 60Hz

Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Just general performance increase and better linux driver support.
Specifically I want an nVidia GPU and maybe an SSD if I got money left.
Doesn't have to be ultra-fancy, something I can expect to play games on high to medium settings for a few years.

What is your budget?
300-500 euro

What country will you be buying your parts in?
Germany

If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
As I said, it needs to be an nVidia card.
Haedley
Profile Joined November 2013
Germany28 Posts
November 06 2013 01:43 GMT
#1818
AMD has the way better budget GPUs right now. The only viable GPU from NVIDIA is a GTX770 with 2GB VRAM.

http://geizhals.de/gainward-geforce-gtx-770-phantom-2951-a953279.html
or
http://geizhals.de/msi-n770-tf-2gd5-oc-twin-frozr-gaming-v282-052r-a953297.html
are kinda good 770s.

And as a SSD just a Samsung 840 Evo 120 or 250GB
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
November 06 2013 02:12 GMT
#1819
I would get a 4GB 770 because a game like Battlefield 4 already pushes beyond 2GB. But if you really must have nVidia I guess I'd wait for a further price drop or save for a 780Ti and at least get better bang for the buck.
Nao
Profile Joined October 2008
Poland166 Posts
November 06 2013 02:13 GMT
#1820
I'm intending on buying 4670K for an OC. I know that there can be big differences between particular CPU's of from the same line, but is there a way to check if the processor is from a series that is better for OC before buying? I want to push the OC to the limit of it so this kind of matters.

I'm using several retailers for buying other parts for the whole rig, and there are no price differences for the CPU so i have some choosing room. (idk if it will be possible to check some obscure number on the die itself, but i'm hopeful about manufacture dates or serial numbers)
So far my google-fu failed in gaining me insights on this, so some help or even just a link to a relevant discussion would be much appreciated.
One cannot out-kwanro Kwanro. -Trap
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