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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-04 20:11:17
November 04 2013 20:10 GMT
#1761
weren't you in the beta?

also yeah CPU bound, not GPU

hmm

i have no idea how you could get bottlenecked with a 4770k with OC. would they have to fiddle with the game engine itself to fix that?
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
November 04 2013 20:45 GMT
#1762
i have no idea how you could get bottlenecked with a 4770k with OC


Same way 4770k @5ghz +650ti in sc2 = cpu bottleneck at max settings once you enter midgame 1v1 in sc2, it's just a CPU heavy game that doesn't utilize CPU properly on windows 7
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
November 04 2013 21:31 GMT
#1763
On November 04 2013 18:46 rebuffering wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 18:40 Cyro wrote:
Edit: You posted previously, but it was in the last thread so tl+ filter didn't see it:

Set PCI-E to gen2 in your bios. I'm using 331.65 for shadowplay with no issues whatsoever




If i don't see issues, i often just install them over, but a lot of people swear by driversweeper


Ok, i also have never had issues while installing over top the old ones, but like you say, some people say you need to use Drivesweeper, or go into safe-mode or w/e. Thanks again, will try out the new drivers tomorrow, along with the PCI-E gen2 change. Will report back in a day or two to see if things are better! Thanks!


So after changing PCI-E to gen 2, and installing the newest Nvidia Drivers 331.65, played for 1 hour and had a system freeze, requiring a hard reset. Will be returning to 314.22 since i dont think any other drivers are working for me right now. Also, since im not getting a BSOD, im not sure where to get a crash log, or something like that, even though im preety sure its a driver issue.
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
November 04 2013 21:41 GMT
#1764
Look in your Event Viewer, it might have something there. Personally I'm on 331.58 for my 770 but I've had no luck whatsoever overclocking either the CPU or the graphics card no matter what drivers I use.
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IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-04 21:54:25
November 04 2013 21:52 GMT
#1765
+ Show Spoiler +
[B]On November 05 2013 01:12 iTzSnypah wrote:[/B

ASRock H81M-HDS is the cheapest LGA 1150 board to include a USB 3.0 header, however given his budget I see no reason not to get the H81M for ~$10 more. You get a better Audio Codex (898 vs 662 or w/e they are), better networking and a lot more fan headers.

Case wise, if you get a motherboard with a USB 3.0 Header then you need a case with USB 3.0 on the front. The cheapest worth recommending is the Core 1000 as you said.



For mother boards how do you know if a mobo has usb 3.0 headers?
is it the one that says
"rear panel ports 2x USB 3.0" ??

also what is the difference between having a USB 3.0 header compared to one tha tjust says it has USB 3.0 ??
what is the difference also between the one thats on the mobo compared to the one thats on the case?

EDIT: atm im just buying the best case and mobo for the cheapest price i can find.

and for me rght now thats the this mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130731
and the nzxt source 210.

but since i read your post i didnt realize that mobo and cases also had compatibility issues other than the mobo being able to fite the formfactor size for a case.
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-04 22:12:18
November 04 2013 21:54 GMT
#1766
So looking at the Event Viewer, heres a screen. I didnt realize ive had so many goddamn reboots like this. Im starting to think there's something wrong with my PC.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 04 2013 21:58 GMT
#1767
On November 05 2013 06:52 IMKR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +
[B]On November 05 2013 01:12 iTzSnypah wrote:[/B

ASRock H81M-HDS is the cheapest LGA 1150 board to include a USB 3.0 header, however given his budget I see no reason not to get the H81M for ~$10 more. You get a better Audio Codex (898 vs 662 or w/e they are), better networking and a lot more fan headers.

Case wise, if you get a motherboard with a USB 3.0 Header then you need a case with USB 3.0 on the front. The cheapest worth recommending is the Core 1000 as you said.



For mother boards how do you know if a mobo has usb 3.0 headers?
is it the one that says
"rear panel ports 2x USB 3.0" ??

also what is the difference between having a USB 3.0 header compared to one tha tjust says it has USB 3.0 ??
what is the difference also between the one thats on the mobo compared to the one thats on the case?

EDIT: atm im just buying the best case and mobo for the cheapest price i can find.

and for me rght now thats the this mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130731
and the nzxt source 210.

but since i read your post i didnt realize that mobo and cases also had compatibility issues other than the mobo being able to fite the formfactor size for a case.


USB3 headers are for the front USB3.0 ports that comes with the case. They're a 20pin header, typically blue and located near the 24pin connector on the motherboard.

There is no difference besides the obvious location. The NZXT 210 does not have USB3 ports so having a motherboard with a header is irrelevant and the H81M-P33 doesn't have a header if you're wondering.
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
November 04 2013 22:07 GMT
#1768
Oh well if both my mobo and case doesnt have a 3.0 no point in me worrying about it for now I guess
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
November 05 2013 03:38 GMT
#1769
A while ago, I posted about a 1000$ build.

A guy wants to buy it, but in two different purchases... He wants to replace his computer ASAP. So two purchases of 500$...

Here's what I was thinking

Intel Core i5 4670K Unlocked Quad Core 3.4GHZ Processor LGA1150 Haswell 6MB Cache Retail @239$
Gigabyte B75M-D3H mATX LGA1155 B75 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI HDMI CrossFireX SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard @70$
Corsair Vengeance Blue CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Dual Channel Memory Kit @ 83$
+ case
+ power supply

for about 500$
He gets a functional computer SINCE
He will use intergrated GPU from his CPU.
He will keep using the old HardDrive with Windows XP!!!
He will keep using DVD player
He will still use his Mouse + KB + Screen

For the second purchase, we will look at a better GPU and other stuff
Of course, I'll use PM to lower price (NCIX.ca)

Thoughts? Can this work?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 05 2013 03:55 GMT
#1770
4670k is not compatible with a B75, the 4th gen processors need a 8 series board. And you would need a Z87 to overclock.

But yes doing it in two purchases like that will work.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
November 05 2013 04:15 GMT
#1771
On November 05 2013 12:55 skyR wrote:
4670k is not compatible with a B75, the 4th gen processors need a 8 series board. And you would need a Z87 to overclock.

But yes doing it in two purchases like that will work.


nice catch

What mobo would be good for his purpose?
Nao
Profile Joined October 2008
Poland166 Posts
November 05 2013 04:42 GMT
#1772
Haha, i was just about to ask about Z87 motherboard for i5 4670K rig I'm building right now, and last posts are already on this topic.

So my question is: what would be the best mobo for OC an i5 4670K in 80-130$ range? (excluding MSI, i hate their bioses) (with 2xPCIE slots)

Most of the good OC reviews i can find on net use Gigabyte Z87X, Asus Z87 PRO etc, but for me they are too expensive.
I really like Gigabyte but I've read one bad review for OC on the more basic Gigabytes Z87 (without X). So i'm quite puzzled on the matter

Help appreciated!
One cannot out-kwanro Kwanro. -Trap
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 05 2013 04:45 GMT
#1773
On November 05 2013 13:15 XenOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 12:55 skyR wrote:
4670k is not compatible with a B75, the 4th gen processors need a 8 series board. And you would need a Z87 to overclock.

But yes doing it in two purchases like that will work.


nice catch

What mobo would be good for his purpose?


Gigabyte Z87X-D3H is typically what is suggested. You can get it at ME for ~$140.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
November 05 2013 04:47 GMT
#1774
Its probably too high for a 500$ build though :S

If we go for a non OC-able CPU?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 05 2013 04:53 GMT
#1775
Than a H81 for ~$65 or B85 for ~$75.
Nao
Profile Joined October 2008
Poland166 Posts
November 05 2013 04:56 GMT
#1776
On November 05 2013 13:45 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 13:15 XenOmega wrote:
On November 05 2013 12:55 skyR wrote:
4670k is not compatible with a B75, the 4th gen processors need a 8 series board. And you would need a Z87 to overclock.

But yes doing it in two purchases like that will work.


nice catch

What mobo would be good for his purpose?


Gigabyte Z87X-D3H is typically what is suggested. You can get it at ME for ~$140.

Gigabyte Z87X-D3H is like 180$ in cheapest place in Poland, damn. Is there a big difference between it and GA-Z87-HD3 for OC?
I've read that Z87-D3HP has (had?) throttling problems, but cant find more info on that.

(sorry for hijacking the convo)
One cannot out-kwanro Kwanro. -Trap
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 05 2013 05:04 GMT
#1777
I think the HD3 only has four phases so it'll be worse for overclocking than the Z87X-D3H that has eight phases.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 05 2013 05:10 GMT
#1778
wow the R9 290 is amazing
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 05:29:36
November 05 2013 05:12 GMT
#1779
On November 05 2013 13:42 Nao wrote:
Haha, i was just about to ask about Z87 motherboard for i5 4670K rig I'm building right now, and last posts are already on this topic.

So my question is: what would be the best mobo for OC an i5 4670K in 80-130$ range? (excluding MSI, i hate their bioses) (with 2xPCIE slots)

Most of the good OC reviews i can find on net use Gigabyte Z87X, Asus Z87 PRO etc, but for me they are too expensive.
I really like Gigabyte but I've read one bad review for OC on the more basic Gigabytes Z87 (without X). So i'm quite puzzled on the matter

Help appreciated!

GA-Z87-HD3 should work fine for overclocking. The GA-Z87X-D3H apparently uses more parts in its VRM area around the CPU socket if you look at pictures, but I don't know what that does to overclocking potential. I'm pretty sure it won't mean anything. The cheaper board should still stay very cool.

GA-Z87MX-D3H is mATX sized and should work alright. You might get it cheaper than the ATX sized boards. It's a bit cramped around the CPU socket if you use a very large air cooler, but 140mm width still fits without hitting the graphics card.

You don't have to look at any of the very expensive boards. Z87X-D3H already has everything you may possibly need for anything.

No idea about ASUS or ASRock. You should research that. Gigabyte's hardware seems good, but I feel the BIOS quality is suspicious. They take a long time to come out with updates to fix problems so it might be worth it to take a good look at the competition.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
November 05 2013 05:12 GMT
#1780
The price is amazing yes. 290X seems rather pointless now.
The price difference alone means you could spend as much as you need on aftermarket cooler and still come in cheaper lol.

290 CF - stepping in right where the 7950's left off haha.
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