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wangtao
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Edit: You posted previously, but it was in the last thread so tl+ filter didn't see it: Set PCI-E to gen2 in your bios. I'm using 331.65 for shadowplay with no issues whatsoever | ||
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
On November 04 2013 18:11 Cyro wrote: What's the rest of your system? Core i5 4670k @ 3.4 Stock GTX 770 Stock Windows 7 8GB 2133 Mhz RAM ASUS MAXIMUS VI HERO MOBO Intel Z87 TX750W V2 Corsair PSU Been checking Temps and nothing out of the ordinary. EDIT:: just read your edit, ok will try that out when i wake up. Also to install the newest drivers, should i be going into safe made, uninstalling, rebooting, install new drivers, etc. Or is it still ok to just install over top the old ones, was never clear on that one. Thanks very much btw. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Edit: You posted previously, but it was in the last thread so tl+ filter didn't see it: Set PCI-E to gen2 in your bios. I'm using 331.65 for shadowplay with no issues whatsoever  If i don't see issues, i often just install them over, but a lot of people swear by driversweeper | ||
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
On November 04 2013 18:40 Cyro wrote: If i don't see issues, i often just install them over, but a lot of people swear by driversweeper Ok, i also have never had issues while installing over top the old ones, but like you say, some people say you need to use Drivesweeper, or go into safe-mode or w/e. Thanks again, will try out the new drivers tomorrow, along with the PCI-E gen2 change. Will report back in a day or two to see if things are better! Thanks! | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
(wow I'm typing on a laptop after having used mx brown switches for a week and it feels weird lul) For example, instead of the B85M motherboard in that build, you could opt for MSI's H81-P33, which does everything you'll need it to do at a lesser price. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130731 Capstone 450 is good buy so stick with that (very good for its price). Don't deviate from the i5 4670 either, it's the go-to CPU for gaming builds with no overclock, there's no reason not to get it if it fits in your budget. RAM is RAM, stick with DDR3 8 Gb though (preferably 1600 Mhz and 1.5v, but it's not mandatory). Corsair 200R case is good but again, look for good deals. Other comparable cases are Fractal Design Core 1000, NZXT 210 Source, or more expensive but pretty nice, the Fractal Design Arc Mini. Last thing would be to get a 1TB or 2TB HDD because 500 Gb HDDs are really expensive for the storage they give. Something along these lines: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005T3GRNW/?tag=pcpapi-20 GPU is a pretty personal choice, though I think the 7870 should be able to run all the games you mentioned at max settings. Do your research and look for benchmarks, come up with your own build and post it here for feedback. ^^ hf | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
We also must note large amounts of stuttering on the Windows 7 OS, in some cases the game was unplayable. When we switched to Windows 8.1 the stutter was gone, and all CPU’s got a nice boost in FPS, especially the FX ones. Don’t you be fooled by the same amount of Max fps on W7 and W8. We had the feeling that 60 fps on W7 was like 30 fps on W8. Read more: Battlefield 4 MP Benchmark – CPU and GPU W7 vs W8.1 http://www.hardwarepal.com/battlefield-4-benchmark-mp-cpu-gpu-w7-vs-w8-1/ Frametimes, dunno why so many people bench without them | ||
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Elkster
United States2 Posts
Thanks for the information and advice! I will look around and do some research, will post back with new build and how it runs.  | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
@Cyro: it this a good article to explain what you're referring to? :p http://techreport.com/review/21516/inside-the-second-a-new-look-at-game-benchmarking | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On November 04 2013 19:53 Incognoto wrote:+ Show Spoiler + @Elkster: Typical gamer is a good build however it's important to note that most computer builds are "relevant" for only a week, due to price changes. Builds in the OP are there to serve as a guideline, you have to look around for good prices on similar parts. (wow I'm typing on a laptop after having used mx brown switches for a week and it feels weird lul) For example, instead of the B85M motherboard in that build, you could opt for MSI's H81-P33, which does everything you'll need it to do at a lesser price. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130731 Capstone 450 is good buy so stick with that (very good for its price). Don't deviate from the i5 4670 either, it's the go-to CPU for gaming builds with no overclock, there's no reason not to get it if it fits in your budget. RAM is RAM, stick with DDR3 8 Gb though (preferably 1600 Mhz and 1.5v, but it's not mandatory). Corsair 200R case is good but again, look for good deals. Other comparable cases are Fractal Design Core 1000, NZXT 210 Source, or more expensive but pretty nice, the Fractal Design Arc Mini. Last thing would be to get a 1TB or 2TB HDD because 500 Gb HDDs are really expensive for the storage they give. Something along these lines: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005T3GRNW/?tag=pcpapi-20 GPU is a pretty personal choice, though I think the 7870 should be able to run all the games you mentioned at max settings. Do your research and look for benchmarks, come up with your own build and post it here for feedback. ^^ hf Well I wasn't going to post anything because he said Christmas and that's nearly 2 months away but: 4 out of the 5 games he intends to play are Blizzard games. Besides being very easy to run at max settings, Blizzard games are optimized for Nvidia cards. And then there is POE. Also easy to run. Therefore it would be best to get a cheaper card from Nvidia, Namely the 650 Ti Boost 2GB. WoW is on his list of games. WoW greatly benefits from an SSD, and it uses a fuckton of storage. So he would want a 240GB SSD (Samsung 840 / 840 EVO, Intel 530). ASRock H81M-HDS is the cheapest LGA 1150 board to include a USB 3.0 header, however given his budget I see no reason not to get the H81M for ~$10 more. You get a better Audio Codex (898 vs 662 or w/e they are), better networking and a lot more fan headers. Case wise, if you get a motherboard with a USB 3.0 Header then you need a case with USB 3.0 on the front. The cheapest worth recommending is the Core 1000 as you said. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
SSD, if you can afford it, which he can, is definitely a go-to. Maybe I should have mentioned it but I thought it was evident. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On November 05 2013 01:18 Incognoto wrote: Thanks for adding more information. ^^ Didn't know that Blizzard games run better on Nvidia, but then again as you said, it doesn't take much to max a Blizzard game. Still, no reason not go with Nvidia as they do make some pretty good cards after all. :p SSD, if you can afford it, which he can, is definitely a go-to. Maybe I should have mentioned it but I thought it was evident. I meant SSD size, WoW uses something crazy like 60GB of space, so a 120GB SSD wouldn't be large enough. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
On November 05 2013 00:57 Incognoto wrote: It's advisable to post back before you purchase the parts, if "how it runs" means you're going to tell us what you think of your new computer. ;p @Cyro: it this a good article to explain what you're referring to? :p http://techreport.com/review/21516/inside-the-second-a-new-look-at-game-benchmarking Yes. Battlefield 4 particularly on windows 7, as well as starcraft 2 both have massive problems with reporting say 80fps or even higher >MINIMUM FPS<, but having MANY frames taking longer than 16.7ms (1/60'th of a second) because "minimum" is just an average of a lot of numbers and doesn't show you the low points unless all of your frames are slow, when you're having a terrible experience that is sometimes true and sometimes not Here's a couple of benchmarks to show it: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rzBskxG.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OsTiBhc.png) Seems win8 is mandatory for acceptable bf4 performance (frametimes dipping to ~30-60fps on a 4770k@4.6ghz while cpu bound at 720p on a high end graphics card is not acceptable) but windows 8.1 is also unacceptable due to the numerous mouse issues, so i guess EA just has to fix their game first as one operating system giving higher FPS in the range of 50% or more at the low end on the same hardware is ridiculous | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Would Mantle for Radeon cards fix that crazy shit or? | ||
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mav451
United States1596 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
On November 05 2013 04:45 Incognoto wrote: That's some crazy shit right there. Would Mantle for Radeon cards fix that crazy shit or? Bf4 stuff? I doubt it, considering it was entirely CPU bound. Windows 8 is supposed to help unbreak it, but there's a disturbing lack of good benchmarks with this kind of performance information Sc2? No way, CPU bound to hell on a single thread and the worst engine i can name in a game that's played widely to this day in terms of consistent smooth performance | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
On November 05 2013 05:06 Ropid wrote: I'd try disabling HPET in the BIOS as an experiment. Linux and Windows 8 both don't use it at all for timing on current machines. They use the TSC register of current CPU's, so it's as if HPET doesn't exist for them, but I don't know how Windows 7 works. That thing might be the difference, forcing HPET off might force Windows 7 to also use that TSC thingy. I have no idea what you're talking about, but i'd try it if i had bf4  Speaking of which actually, it would be interesting if anyone wanted to throw me fraps frametimes.csv files for sc2 (on windows 7 or 8, nvidia or amd card etc, but at at cpu bound time) or also for bf4. Harvesting datas is good for figuring out engines and hardware | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On November 05 2013 01:22 iTzSnypah wrote: I meant SSD size, WoW uses something crazy like 60GB of space, so a 120GB SSD wouldn't be large enough. WoW has never used 60GB of space. The installation for WoW today I think is somewhere like 22GB. | ||
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