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Thank you skyR, Myrmidon, Incognoto(and your English is perfect  )
So i'm scared to death to take what I already have and rebuild it. Mainly cuz I'm an idiot about computers and I might never get my computer back! lol.
2 questions really.
1. Lets say I decided to take a gamble and spend a month trying to rebuild my comp like a monkey... I would need to categorize each piece I already have right? From fan to mouse to type of case right? Umm...is there any easy way of doing that? Or a specific list I need to make sure I have before I begin.
2. SO general idea is that ibuypower is crap? Are there any premade computers out there that would give me a good gaming/streaming experience without breaking my budget? I don't need to be able to play SC2, alt tab google for trolling, alt tab back to sc2, alt tab to DeMuslims stream, alt tab back in the game, all in the space of a few seconds without losing computer speed. (that's totally how Dragon streams sometimes, minus demuslin part) I just want to be able to load, play, quit, stream, all a decent speed (and decent 1080p) without freezing.
Thank you all for the answers!
And of course. Go MMA!
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Prebuilts generally aren't a good value because you're paying them to do everything and prebuilts at ~$500 are generally crap, either they have no GPU or they use FX4100 which is crap.
I'm not sure what you mean by categorize. If your friend did a good job helping you pick and build your current computer four years ago, you could re-use a lot of the parts and all you would really need is a new motherboard, processor, DDR3 RAM, and GPU.
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What is your budget?
I'm looking at around the $400 mark, however, I am most concerned in specific point of value rather than overall cost (i.e. I'm willing to step up to a better X if it offers much better 'value'
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Older stuff, Civ 5, LoL, MTGO. I don't really care about playing brand new games on ultra setting... medium at 40~ fps is just fine for me.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Streaming, and general use. Streaming would be the only 'intensive' activity of note, and even then it'd be more of a casual thing as compared to "OMG I have to stream flawlessly at 1080p"
Do you intend to overclock?
I don't intend to as I don't think my intended uses call for overclocking... and I don't really want to fork out for a more expensive mobo
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
nope
Do you need an operating system?
nope
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
already gave peripherals
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA - My nearest Microcenter is Northeast Ohio/Mayfield Heights, so some of my choices will reflect in store availability
So my current build is looking something like this - http://pcpartpicker.com/user/smoothasskiwi/saved/2FnB
CPU Intel Core i5-4570S 3.2GHz Quad-Core $169.99
Motherboard MSI H81M-E33 Micro ATX LGA1150 $53.99
Memory Team Xtreem Dark Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 $64.99
Storage Kingston SSDNow V200 Series 64GB 2.5" SSD $52.99
Case Rosewill FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower $22.97
Power Supply Corsair 430W ATX12V $19.99
Custom PowerColor Radeon HD 6570 1GB Video Card $29.99
Total = ~$415
So, I have a few questions for those of you that are more knowledgeable than myself:
CPU - i5 4570S ($170) vs FX 8320 ($150) vs FX 6350 ($130)
So, the S model of i5 obviously isn't my first choice, but my local microcenter is out of the normal model (which is also $10 cheaper), and I don't know when they are restocking. Most of my research has told me that generally speaking the i5 is just better bang for buck, and will continue to stay relevant despite any 8core vs 4 core next gen speculation. My main question is do I even need the kind of power I'd get from an i5 to be able to play and stream civ 5 / LoL (which would be the most intensive things I'd be doing)?
Essentially, should I be looking at CPUs in this range? or are my eyes bigger than my stomach, and I should think about stepping down to an i3 or fx 6300 type thing.
GPU
So at the moment I've got the cheapest halfway tolerable GPU I could find, I realize I could get much better ones if I step up to say ~$80 but essentially it's the same question as the cpu - what do I need here? I'm sure it will be fine for medium settings on civ and LoL... would it be ok for low settings on newer titles? I'm not a huge FPS fan anyway, which is the genre most GPU intensive games seem to be.
Edit - so... looking at new specials there's a 7750 on newegg for $50, i might need to reevaluate mobo options tho. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131481&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
HDD
I'm trying to be as much of a cheapass here as possible... I was considering just taking out the drives from my old laptops... am I terrible person for even considering this? I know performance wise its terrible, and build wise it's awkward... but yeah... I dunno. Also am I being an idiot getting a 64gb when it will probably fit little else than the OS?
Everything is I'm happy with going for whatever is cheapest, case doesn't matter as it'll just sit under my desk, and airflow isnt a huge concern if I'm just running it stock.
But yeah, sorry about the wall of text, my final question would be when to purchase? I've only been in the US a year... and I've heard that 'cyber monday' is a great time to buy computer stuff... is it worth waiting the 4 weeks?
Thanks for the help.
TLDR: CPU and GPU advice for streaming civ 5 and LoL, buying from microcenter.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 02 2013 11:18 Dgiese wrote:What is your budget?I'm looking at around the $400 mark, however, I am most concerned in specific point of value rather than overall cost (i.e. I'm willing to step up to a better X if it offers much better 'value' What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Older stuff, Civ 5, LoL, MTGO. I don't really care about playing brand new games on ultra setting... medium at 40~ fps is just fine for me. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Streaming, and general use. Streaming would be the only 'intensive' activity of note, and even then it'd be more of a casual thing as compared to "OMG I have to stream flawlessly at 1080p" Do you intend to overclock?I don't intend to as I don't think my intended uses call for overclocking... and I don't really want to fork out for a more expensive mobo Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?nope Do you need an operating system?nope Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?already gave peripherals What country will you be buying your parts in?USA - My nearest Microcenter is Northeast Ohio/Mayfield Heights, so some of my choices will reflect in store availability So my current build is looking something like this - http://pcpartpicker.com/user/smoothasskiwi/saved/2FnBCPU Intel Core i5-4570S 3.2GHz Quad-Core $169.99 Motherboard MSI H81M-E33 Micro ATX LGA1150 $53.99 Memory Team Xtreem Dark Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 $64.99 Storage Kingston SSDNow V200 Series 64GB 2.5" SSD $52.99 Case Rosewill FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower $22.97 Power Supply Corsair 430W ATX12V $19.99 Custom PowerColor Radeon HD 6570 1GB Video Card $29.99 Total = ~$415 So, I have a few questions for those of you that are more knowledgeable than myself: CPU - i5 4570S ($170) vs FX 8320 ($150) vs FX 6350 ($130) So, the S model of i5 obviously isn't my first choice, but my local microcenter is out of the normal model (which is also $10 cheaper), and I don't know when they are restocking. Most of my research has told me that generally speaking the i5 is just better bang for buck, and will continue to stay relevant despite any 8core vs 4 core next gen speculation. My main question is do I even need the kind of power I'd get from an i5 to be able to play and stream civ 5 / LoL (which would be the most intensive things I'd be doing)? Essentially, should I be looking at CPUs in this range? or are my eyes bigger than my stomach, and I should think about stepping down to an i3 or fx 6300 type thing. GPUSo at the moment I've got the cheapest halfway tolerable GPU I could find, I realize I could get much better ones if I step up to say ~$80 but essentially it's the same question as the cpu - what do I need here? I'm sure it will be fine for medium settings on civ and LoL... would it be ok for low settings on newer titles? I'm not a huge FPS fan anyway, which is the genre most GPU intensive games seem to be. Edit - so... looking at new specials there's a 7750 on newegg for $50, but I'd need to switch to a mobo with pci 3. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131481&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=HDDI'm trying to be as much of a cheapass here as possible... I was considering just taking out the drives from my old laptops... am I terrible person for even considering this? I know performance wise its terrible, and build wise it's awkward... but yeah... I dunno. Also am I being an idiot getting a 64gb when it will probably fit little else than the OS? Everything is I'm happy with going for whatever is cheapest, case doesn't matter as it'll just sit under my desk, and airflow isnt a huge concern if I'm just running it stock. But yeah, sorry about the wall of text, my final question would be when to purchase? I've only been in the US a year... and I've heard that 'cyber monday' is a great time to buy computer stuff... is it worth waiting the 4 weeks? Thanks for the help. TLDR: CPU and GPU advice for streaming civ 5 and LoL, buying from microcenter.
a direct quote from the OP of this thread (SkyR)
"The S and T suffixes indicate slower and more power optimized processors. These are sold at a premium over regular faster processors and should not be purchased. Some may know these suffixes as sucky and terrible."
I understand that the low cost of the S suffix CPUs are appealing, but they are not worth it (their normal counterparts are only about $20-$30 more and most often goes on sale)
For a build with your requirements, i dont think an SSD is really necessary, especially if u are looking to build a budget pc.
Of course, if you would like an SSD, thats still your call.
ATM, the samsung 840 ssd are the standard many people go for, they also have great reviews.
maybe a 840 evo 120GB will be good for you. (im pretty sure these will go on sale on cyber monday, as alot of samsung 840 ssd were going on sale this past 2 weeks)
for the mobo, go with this, its on sale for $27.99 if u use promo with MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130731&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
From my research i did, the PSU u chose is known to be horrible. Corsair is a reliable brand, but I have read many reviews that that particular PSU isn't very good.
try going with a rosewill capstone 450w, has japanese cap ( best caps for PSU ) and gold certified. (also, SkyR recommends these alot). in addition, the Capstone series goes on sale quite often.
the PSU is what you dont want to skimp out on. From what i know, if the PSU malfunctions, it also takes your whole system with you.
For HDD there are many options. the one standard HDD is a western digital blue. the 1TB runs from $60 to $69 on retail, and they hold ALOT of sales. i got 2 of em for $55 each.
and yes cyber monday is a great time to wait for. you'll find alot of deals for the CPU and GPU your looking for. (thats the day im waiting for)
the GPU that you chose indicates that you want a very cheap GPU. and that is justified seeing as you are looking to play LoL and Civ 5 games.
but u also mention u want to play the new games coming out, just not at ultra settings.
that GPU wil have a hard time playing on low settings. so you might want to reconsider.
you shouldnt go for the cheapest GPU you can find if u plan on playing new games out like BF, AC, etc etc even on medium settings.
but i am still confused on the exact detail of the games u want to play so i cant really think of a gpu to recommened. however, know that gtx 600 series and gtx 700 series are coming with a game bundle atm, so they are looking like a good deal. ( i am planning on a gtx 660 myself)
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On November 02 2013 11:10 skyR wrote:
Prebuilts generally aren't a good value because you're paying them to do everything and prebuilts at ~$500 are generally crap, either they have no GPU or they use FX4100 which is crap.
I'm not sure what you mean by categorize. If your friend did a good job helping you pick and build your current computer four years ago, you could re-use a lot of the parts and all you would really need is a new motherboard, processor, DDR3 RAM, and GPU.
thats basically the whole heart of a rig  (and the expensive parts sadly D: )
that leads me to a question.
when is the right time to upgrade your mobo with the processor and ram?
GPU is obviously when you cant run a certain game (so like every 5 years i guess)
but Processor and MOBO change sockets and compatibility so frequently.
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On November 02 2013 11:47 IMKR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 02 2013 11:18 Dgiese wrote:What is your budget?I'm looking at around the $400 mark, however, I am most concerned in specific point of value rather than overall cost (i.e. I'm willing to step up to a better X if it offers much better 'value' What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Older stuff, Civ 5, LoL, MTGO. I don't really care about playing brand new games on ultra setting... medium at 40~ fps is just fine for me. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Streaming, and general use. Streaming would be the only 'intensive' activity of note, and even then it'd be more of a casual thing as compared to "OMG I have to stream flawlessly at 1080p" Do you intend to overclock?I don't intend to as I don't think my intended uses call for overclocking... and I don't really want to fork out for a more expensive mobo Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?nope Do you need an operating system?nope Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?already gave peripherals What country will you be buying your parts in?USA - My nearest Microcenter is Northeast Ohio/Mayfield Heights, so some of my choices will reflect in store availability So my current build is looking something like this - http://pcpartpicker.com/user/smoothasskiwi/saved/2FnBCPU Intel Core i5-4570S 3.2GHz Quad-Core $169.99 Motherboard MSI H81M-E33 Micro ATX LGA1150 $53.99 Memory Team Xtreem Dark Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 $64.99 Storage Kingston SSDNow V200 Series 64GB 2.5" SSD $52.99 Case Rosewill FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower $22.97 Power Supply Corsair 430W ATX12V $19.99 Custom PowerColor Radeon HD 6570 1GB Video Card $29.99 Total = ~$415 So, I have a few questions for those of you that are more knowledgeable than myself: CPU - i5 4570S ($170) vs FX 8320 ($150) vs FX 6350 ($130) So, the S model of i5 obviously isn't my first choice, but my local microcenter is out of the normal model (which is also $10 cheaper), and I don't know when they are restocking. Most of my research has told me that generally speaking the i5 is just better bang for buck, and will continue to stay relevant despite any 8core vs 4 core next gen speculation. My main question is do I even need the kind of power I'd get from an i5 to be able to play and stream civ 5 / LoL (which would be the most intensive things I'd be doing)? Essentially, should I be looking at CPUs in this range? or are my eyes bigger than my stomach, and I should think about stepping down to an i3 or fx 6300 type thing. GPUSo at the moment I've got the cheapest halfway tolerable GPU I could find, I realize I could get much better ones if I step up to say ~$80 but essentially it's the same question as the cpu - what do I need here? I'm sure it will be fine for medium settings on civ and LoL... would it be ok for low settings on newer titles? I'm not a huge FPS fan anyway, which is the genre most GPU intensive games seem to be. Edit - so... looking at new specials there's a 7750 on newegg for $50, but I'd need to switch to a mobo with pci 3. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131481&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=HDDI'm trying to be as much of a cheapass here as possible... I was considering just taking out the drives from my old laptops... am I terrible person for even considering this? I know performance wise its terrible, and build wise it's awkward... but yeah... I dunno. Also am I being an idiot getting a 64gb when it will probably fit little else than the OS? Everything is I'm happy with going for whatever is cheapest, case doesn't matter as it'll just sit under my desk, and airflow isnt a huge concern if I'm just running it stock. But yeah, sorry about the wall of text, my final question would be when to purchase? I've only been in the US a year... and I've heard that 'cyber monday' is a great time to buy computer stuff... is it worth waiting the 4 weeks? Thanks for the help. TLDR: CPU and GPU advice for streaming civ 5 and LoL, buying from microcenter. a direct quote from the OP of this thread (SkyR) "The S and T suffixes indicate slower and more power optimized processors. These are sold at a premium over regular faster processors and should not be purchased. Some may know these suffixes as sucky and terrible." I understand that the low cost of the S suffix CPUs are appealing, but they are not worth it (their normal counterparts are only about $20-$30 more and most often goes on sale) For a build with your requirements, i dont think an SSD is really necessary, especially if u are looking to build a budget pc. Of course, if you would like an SSD, thats still your call. ATM, the samsung 840 ssd are the standard many people go for, they also have great reviews. maybe a 840 evo 120GB will be good for you. (im pretty sure these will go on sale on cyber monday, as alot of samsung 840 ssd were going on sale this past 2 weeks) for the mobo, go with this, its on sale for $27.99 if u use promo with MIR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130731&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=From my research i did, the PSU u chose is known to be horrible. Corsair is a reliable brand, but I have read many reviews that that particular PSU isn't very good. try going with a rosewill capstone 450w, has japanese cap ( best caps for PSU ) and gold certified. (also, SkyR recommends these alot). in addition, the Capstone series goes on sale quite often. the PSU is what you dont want to skimp out on. From what i know, if the PSU malfunctions, it also takes your whole system with you. For HDD there are many options. the one standard HDD is a western digital blue. the 1TB runs from $60 to $69 on retail, and they hold ALOT of sales. i got 2 of em for $55 each. and yes cyber monday is a great time to wait for. you'll find alot of deals for the CPU and GPU your looking for. (thats the day im waiting for) the GPU that you chose indicates that you want a very cheap GPU. and that is justified seeing as you are looking to play LoL and Civ 5 games. but u also mention u want to play the new games coming out, just not at ultra settings. that GPU wil have a hard time playing on low settings. so you might want to reconsider. you shouldnt go for the cheapest GPU you can find if u plan on playing new games out like BF, AC, etc etc even on medium settings. but i am still confused on the exact detail of the games u want to play so i cant really think of a gpu to recommened. however, know that gtx 600 series and gtx 700 series are coming with a game bundle atm, so they are looking like a good deal. ( i am planning on a gtx 660 myself)
I agree 100% with what you said about the 'S' Model, the only reason it's up there is because my nearest microcenter is out of the non-S models of it.
As for motherboard, I was actually just updating my parts list with new november specials and I came across the same board you suggested, so I'm gonna add that.
Gpu there looks to be a 7750 for $50. As for new games... I mean I might try and dabble in them... but to be honest I don't really care to much. But if all it will take is getting a good deal on a gpu for $50-100 on cyber monday then I'll consider it.
Thanks for the HD and PSU advice. I might be getting sucked into the idea of an SSD when I don't really need the speed and can save some money on it.
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On November 02 2013 11:18 Dgiese wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?I'm looking at around the $400 mark, however, I am most concerned in specific point of value rather than overall cost (i.e. I'm willing to step up to a better X if it offers much better 'value' What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Older stuff, Civ 5, LoL, MTGO. I don't really care about playing brand new games on ultra setting... medium at 40~ fps is just fine for me. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Streaming, and general use. Streaming would be the only 'intensive' activity of note, and even then it'd be more of a casual thing as compared to "OMG I have to stream flawlessly at 1080p" Do you intend to overclock?I don't intend to as I don't think my intended uses call for overclocking... and I don't really want to fork out for a more expensive mobo Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?nope Do you need an operating system?nope Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?already gave peripherals What country will you be buying your parts in?USA - My nearest Microcenter is Northeast Ohio/Mayfield Heights, so some of my choices will reflect in store availability So my current build is looking something like this - http://pcpartpicker.com/user/smoothasskiwi/saved/2FnBCPU Intel Core i5-4570S 3.2GHz Quad-Core $169.99 Motherboard MSI H81M-E33 Micro ATX LGA1150 $53.99 Memory Team Xtreem Dark Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 $64.99 Storage Kingston SSDNow V200 Series 64GB 2.5" SSD $52.99 Case Rosewill FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower $22.97 Power Supply Corsair 430W ATX12V $19.99 Custom PowerColor Radeon HD 6570 1GB Video Card $29.99 Total = ~$415 So, I have a few questions for those of you that are more knowledgeable than myself: CPU - i5 4570S ($170) vs FX 8320 ($150) vs FX 6350 ($130) So, the S model of i5 obviously isn't my first choice, but my local microcenter is out of the normal model (which is also $10 cheaper), and I don't know when they are restocking. Most of my research has told me that generally speaking the i5 is just better bang for buck, and will continue to stay relevant despite any 8core vs 4 core next gen speculation. My main question is do I even need the kind of power I'd get from an i5 to be able to play and stream civ 5 / LoL (which would be the most intensive things I'd be doing)? Essentially, should I be looking at CPUs in this range? or are my eyes bigger than my stomach, and I should think about stepping down to an i3 or fx 6300 type thing. GPUSo at the moment I've got the cheapest halfway tolerable GPU I could find, I realize I could get much better ones if I step up to say ~$80 but essentially it's the same question as the cpu - what do I need here? I'm sure it will be fine for medium settings on civ and LoL... would it be ok for low settings on newer titles? I'm not a huge FPS fan anyway, which is the genre most GPU intensive games seem to be. Edit - so... looking at new specials there's a 7750 on newegg for $50, i might need to reevaluate mobo options tho. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131481&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=HDDI'm trying to be as much of a cheapass here as possible... I was considering just taking out the drives from my old laptops... am I terrible person for even considering this? I know performance wise its terrible, and build wise it's awkward... but yeah... I dunno. Also am I being an idiot getting a 64gb when it will probably fit little else than the OS? Everything is I'm happy with going for whatever is cheapest, case doesn't matter as it'll just sit under my desk, and airflow isnt a huge concern if I'm just running it stock. But yeah, sorry about the wall of text, my final question would be when to purchase? I've only been in the US a year... and I've heard that 'cyber monday' is a great time to buy computer stuff... is it worth waiting the 4 weeks? Thanks for the help. TLDR: CPU and GPU advice for streaming civ 5 and LoL, buying from microcenter.
League of Legends isn't demanding but Civilization however is quite demanding and if you're planning on streaming, yes you should be looking at an i5.
PCI-E 2.0 and 3.0 are backwards and forward compatible so you don't need to re-evaluate your motherboard choice. There's not going to be a bottleneck either as all single GPUs can't saturate 2.0 yet.
Lots of online retailers really don't do Black Friday and Cyber Monday anymore, they like to turn the entire month into a shopping holiday, see that Black November already started on Newegg. This low-end stuff typically won't go on sale. You'll see some memory deals, a case deal maybe, and maybe a 7770 at $80.
CX430 is fine.
Radeon 7750 would do okay on low-medium at 1080p. The 6570 would probably be able to do low at best.
64GB formatted would be ~59GB so enough for Windows, essential stuff (Office, Chrome), and one or two games. I guess it would suffice if you don't really do anything besides browsing and playing a single game. Not really recommended if you plan on playing future games unless you plan on adding a secondary SSD / HDD later or fine with micro-managing a 64GB SSD and slow laptop HDDs.
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On November 02 2013 11:54 IMKR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 02 2013 11:10 skyR wrote:
Prebuilts generally aren't a good value because you're paying them to do everything and prebuilts at ~$500 are generally crap, either they have no GPU or they use FX4100 which is crap.
I'm not sure what you mean by categorize. If your friend did a good job helping you pick and build your current computer four years ago, you could re-use a lot of the parts and all you would really need is a new motherboard, processor, DDR3 RAM, and GPU. thats basically the whole heart of a rig (and the expensive parts sadly D: ) that leads me to a question. when is the right time to upgrade your mobo with the processor and ram? GPU is obviously when you cant run a certain game (so like every 5 years i guess) but Processor and MOBO change sockets and compatibility so frequently.
When the CPU can't run a certain game anymore?
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for the GPU be careful that you dont buy something with 1gb VRAM. cuz sometimes theres another on with 2gb VRAM that is the same price. (saw that a couple times)
you can also buy a 650 TI, or the boost one. they can play AAA title games with medium quality. (watch some benchmarks yourself, ive been watching a ton of these lately to find a GPU myself)
and since your the lucky ones (like me :D) who arent max graphics freaks, a 650 ti boost might be good. (they are pretty cheap atm too, with lots of MIR and promos)
@SkyR whats the normal CPU upgrade cycle???
and Ive also been reading that lot of online retailers had crappy cyber monday deals for the 1-2 years also.
But how crappy are they? I cant really find any references to look at since they delete the webpage when their sale is over.
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That would depend on the individuals? But I guess there are a lot who upgrade every other Tick or Tock so ~5 years.
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On November 02 2013 12:10 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 11:18 Dgiese wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?I'm looking at around the $400 mark, however, I am most concerned in specific point of value rather than overall cost (i.e. I'm willing to step up to a better X if it offers much better 'value' What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Older stuff, Civ 5, LoL, MTGO. I don't really care about playing brand new games on ultra setting... medium at 40~ fps is just fine for me. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Streaming, and general use. Streaming would be the only 'intensive' activity of note, and even then it'd be more of a casual thing as compared to "OMG I have to stream flawlessly at 1080p" Do you intend to overclock?I don't intend to as I don't think my intended uses call for overclocking... and I don't really want to fork out for a more expensive mobo Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?nope Do you need an operating system?nope Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?already gave peripherals What country will you be buying your parts in?USA - My nearest Microcenter is Northeast Ohio/Mayfield Heights, so some of my choices will reflect in store availability So my current build is looking something like this - http://pcpartpicker.com/user/smoothasskiwi/saved/2FnBCPU Intel Core i5-4570S 3.2GHz Quad-Core $169.99 Motherboard MSI H81M-E33 Micro ATX LGA1150 $53.99 Memory Team Xtreem Dark Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 $64.99 Storage Kingston SSDNow V200 Series 64GB 2.5" SSD $52.99 Case Rosewill FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower $22.97 Power Supply Corsair 430W ATX12V $19.99 Custom PowerColor Radeon HD 6570 1GB Video Card $29.99 Total = ~$415 So, I have a few questions for those of you that are more knowledgeable than myself: CPU - i5 4570S ($170) vs FX 8320 ($150) vs FX 6350 ($130) So, the S model of i5 obviously isn't my first choice, but my local microcenter is out of the normal model (which is also $10 cheaper), and I don't know when they are restocking. Most of my research has told me that generally speaking the i5 is just better bang for buck, and will continue to stay relevant despite any 8core vs 4 core next gen speculation. My main question is do I even need the kind of power I'd get from an i5 to be able to play and stream civ 5 / LoL (which would be the most intensive things I'd be doing)? Essentially, should I be looking at CPUs in this range? or are my eyes bigger than my stomach, and I should think about stepping down to an i3 or fx 6300 type thing. GPUSo at the moment I've got the cheapest halfway tolerable GPU I could find, I realize I could get much better ones if I step up to say ~$80 but essentially it's the same question as the cpu - what do I need here? I'm sure it will be fine for medium settings on civ and LoL... would it be ok for low settings on newer titles? I'm not a huge FPS fan anyway, which is the genre most GPU intensive games seem to be. Edit - so... looking at new specials there's a 7750 on newegg for $50, i might need to reevaluate mobo options tho. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131481&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=HDDI'm trying to be as much of a cheapass here as possible... I was considering just taking out the drives from my old laptops... am I terrible person for even considering this? I know performance wise its terrible, and build wise it's awkward... but yeah... I dunno. Also am I being an idiot getting a 64gb when it will probably fit little else than the OS? Everything is I'm happy with going for whatever is cheapest, case doesn't matter as it'll just sit under my desk, and airflow isnt a huge concern if I'm just running it stock. But yeah, sorry about the wall of text, my final question would be when to purchase? I've only been in the US a year... and I've heard that 'cyber monday' is a great time to buy computer stuff... is it worth waiting the 4 weeks? Thanks for the help. TLDR: CPU and GPU advice for streaming civ 5 and LoL, buying from microcenter. League of Legends isn't demanding but Civilization however is quite demanding and if you're planning on streaming, yes you should be looking at an i5. PCI-E 2.0 and 3.0 are backwards and forward compatible so you don't need to re-evaluate your motherboard choice. There's not going to be a bottleneck either as all single GPUs can't saturate 2.0 yet. Lots of online retailers really don't do Black Friday and Cyber Monday anymore, they like to turn the entire month into a shopping holiday, see that Black November already started on Newegg. This low-end stuff typically won't go on sale. You'll see some memory deals, a case deal maybe, and maybe a 7770 at $80. CX430 is fine. Radeon 7750 would do okay on low-medium at 1080p. The 6570 would probably be able to do low at best. 64GB formatted would be ~59GB so enough for Windows, essential stuff (Office, Chrome), and one or two games. I guess it would suffice if you don't really do anything besides browsing and playing a single game. Not really recommended if you plan on playing future games unless you plan on adding a secondary SSD / HDD later or fine with micro-managing a 64GB SSD and slow laptop HDDs.
Thanks for the info. low-medium settings on newer games sounds perfectly tolerable to me so i'll probably sit on the 7750. the rebate deal for it ends 11/20 so i'll see if anything else comes up in the next couple of weeks.
I don't really have any good deals on ram, an hd or a not completely terrible case... so that's cool that they are the kind of things that retailers might actually put on sale.
Other than that... this thread is literally the best comp-building resource on the internet... like the tip about buying from microcenter alone is going to save me ~$50.
Edit: @IMKR, yeah they are virtually the same, the one I had previously listed was october's special price, I hadn't updated my list to reflect the new special.
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On November 02 2013 12:36 Dgiese wrote:
I don't really have any good deals on ram, an hd or a not completely terrible case... so that's cool that they are the kind of things that retailers might actually put on sale.
One thing for sure, is that the deal i find the most is on ram.
Go on newegg, and use the filters.
I dont know why, but everywhere i look, i only seem deals on RAM, especially by G.Skill
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EDIT: heres the filter i used.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611 600006050 4026 4025 600006069&IsNodeId=1&name=8GB (2 x 4GB)&Page=1
EDIT 2: also if ur interested, the Fractal design Define R4 is $80 with free shipping atm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Manufactory=14581&N=50014581&IsNodeId=1&SpeTabStoreType=0
Really good case.
also, if u want a budget one, this is good one, and its on sale atm too
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146075
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On November 02 2013 09:22 IMKR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 09:12 Ropid wrote:
It's good, especially with that price.
As far as I know, PCI-E 3.0's added bandwidth isn't used yet (except maybe when running two graphics cards as the connection gets split in two), so you don't have to worry.
Is that RAM a 2x4GB kit at 1600MHz? A memory kit with two sticks enables "dual channel". 1600MHz is the fastest RAM can run for a PC where you can't overclock. The exact components i am looking at so far is in the pcbuilder. just the prices arent right, so i lsted them sepeartly. the ram im getting is ddr3 2133. and its cheaper than the 1600's on the market atm. i know my mobo wont run it at 2133 and that it'll downclock to 1600 but well its a better ram and cheaper than the 1600 counterparts. also what do you mean on this part? i dont know what this feature is (I bolded it) EDIT: Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 09:12 Ropid wrote:
It's good, especially with that price. TBH this is the reason though why i dont like posting prices. I understand that for example, a GTX 660 is kinda out dated, but if u get a new one, with 3GB vram for $100 or something, its a good item. another example, is my mobo i chose. i know that for $28 its a good mobo. but im mostly wondering about the component as it self. like is it sturdy? will it break down in 1 year? will it cause me future upgrade problems? do these parts fullfill my goal for the system? etc etc
Just want to point out something. You can't ever look at the "quality" of a computer part (or most things in general) without look at its price. Unless the part, as you say, will break down after 5 days of use, then you always have to take price into account. Take a 4670k, which is worth like $219. If you take that price and lower it to $140, it suddenly becomes the best CPU on the market. You take that price and jack it up to $300 and the 4670k becomes a very questionable purchase considering a 4770k would only be $40 more expensive while being something much more capable. One of the reasons no one cares about the Titan even though it's a pretty powerful GPU is that it's pretty damn overpriced. That price tag makes the Titan a pretty bad card.
Always take price into account.
As for your motherboard, I'm pretty sure it won't break down. I have a very old HP desktop that I got in like... 2000ish? Fucker still works. As long as you don't misuse the computer and your equipment comes from a known and reliable brand (MSI definitely being one of those), you should be fine. If a computer part from a good brand is going to break down, it'll probably do so very early, since the most probable cause is that it's defective, in which case you RMA. You'll be fine with that motherboard for upgrading etc. Things you can't do with it are things like overclocking, adding more than 2 RAM modules or adding a lot of expansion cards.
@dragonblade: ty :b i love my english
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What is your budget?
£500
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920/1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
World Of Warcraft
Starcraft
Battlefield
all on the highest setting possible for £500 i guess
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Watching Streams/Videos
Do you intend to overclock?
no
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no
Do you need an operating system?
no
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Intel Processor
What country will you be buying your parts in?
England
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
No.
In addition i will not require a PSU or any RAM and seeing as im picky i would prefer a case with a bit of colour to it, or a clear side pannel to add LED's to it if you could fix me up a build it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Ginge!
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RAM is pretty important for bf4. Seen numerous results showing 10-20% gains (no frametimes yet) from 1600 at normal timings to tight 2133/2200 (c9) or ~2400c10
On max settings etc pushing the GPU - the GPU will hold you back at high end FPS - improving cpu/ram will only help low end, so your averages on a simple two-number chart like this won't seem to improve as much, but the effect is almost as important i think
On lower settings it's very obvious as faster RAM/CPU boosts performance on the high end as well as the low end (the dips and time spend at lower fps)
Also i'm aware that this (71fps "minimum") is already considered good performance, but the "minimum" reported in such charts is merely the lowest average of the last second of frames, if you look at a frametimes chart you'll see that if bf4 is reporting 80fps "minimum" then ~2-6% of your frames are probably slower than 16.7ms - and of course, this is CPU/RAM/Platform bound on one of the highest performance parts for running the game, better than i5 or 8-core FX by a decent margin, so if you wanna improve lower end performance (or higher end if you prefer fluidity to reality), you have to look to CPU OC and RAM
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Ginge, what PSU/RAM do you have that you could use?
With your games listed you'd probably want a cheap, locked i5 CPU with a low cost motherboard that works, but you'd need 4gb of ddr3 RAM (or even 8 potentially for bf4) and a PSU of ~400w+ that's not a fire hazard. If you already have a PSU and RAM - what do you have access to right now? Parts/system?
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Cyro, i have 8GB Kingston RAM (bought 3months ago) and a 500W PSU My old spec is a i3 with a GTX460 but its about 4 years old now
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its a very basic PSU not 100% sure on model, the i3 Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 530 @ 2.93GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.9GHz is what shows up on my DxDiag, i don't know if thats what you are looking for?
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