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A 760 is gk104 with 6 SMX enabled and 256 bit bus
780ti is gk110 with 15 SMX enabled and 384 bit bus - they strap the same coolers on both
it doesn't take a rocket scientist to say that you have to run drastically higher fan speeds on one for same kinds of temperatures/cooling - maybe even as much as 80% on some coolers for the ti, while sub-50% on 760, if you're running at similar voltages and clock speeds. Power consumption and heat output is twice as high
280x to 290 isn't as big of a difference, but it's still big and a 290 at non-low voltages for ~1100-1200mhz or so is probably not so easy to keep cool. I'm really not sure of the typical fanspeed RPM's ran on etc windforce, dcuii, tri-x cooler etc to keep them at X temperature with Y settings - i can just say it varies quite a lot based on room temperature and case airflow. Case airflow is more of a factor the more heat output you have, and a single one of those GPU's approaches 300 watts when tuned so it's quite easy for it to significantly affect temps
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On August 09 2014 11:21 Cyro wrote:
A 760 is gk104 with 6 SMX enabled and 256 bit bus
780ti is gk110 with 15 SMX enabled and 384 bit bus - they strap the same coolers on both
No they're not, just styled similarly and named the same by marketing.
Actually, sometimes the same coolers are used across multiple different GPU configs and even chips, but not with power differences that vast. It actually looks like the normal Asus DirectCU model for the R9 280X and R9 290 / R9 290X are the same, but some of the other companies do use different coolers on those. For GTX 760 vs. GTX 780 Ti, forget it.
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Either way, and this is probably more due to my gaming preferences than anything else, I've yet to see any game put significant stress on the Asus R9 280x TOP based on the measurements I can pull out of HWinfo. Scores on benchmarks aren't the best, but everything I actually play runs smoothly or winds up being CPU-bound.
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On August 09 2014 11:49 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2014 11:21 Cyro wrote:
A 760 is gk104 with 6 SMX enabled and 256 bit bus
780ti is gk110 with 15 SMX enabled and 384 bit bus - they strap the same coolers on both No they're not, just styled similarly and named the same by marketing. Actually, sometimes the same coolers are used across multiple different GPU configs and even chips, but not with power differences that vast. It actually looks like the normal Asus DirectCU model for the R9 280X and R9 290 / R9 290X are the same, but some of the other companies do use different coolers on those. For GTX 760 vs. GTX 780 Ti, forget it.
Gigabyte advertises the same windforce x3 450w cooler on gk104 and gk110. Is it different?
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Nah they're different. There's one with 3 heatpipes and one with 4 heatpipes even though they both look identical from the outside.
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Isn't that because the chip is just physically smaller so they can't FIT the heatpipes on there?
They have that issue with etc the dcu II on 290's - using the same cooler as 780's and there are heatpipes just hanging off the side of the chip. I'd imagine gk104 is a lot smaller.
The heatsink area looks the same, fans the same etc
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Thank you to all who helped, skyR, Incognoto and Myrmidon in particular.
The build I got quoted for, with prices just for people unfamiliar to the asia pacific market,
Processor (CPU) Intel Core i5 4690 $395
Motherboard Asrock H97 Pro4
Memory (RAM) G.Skill Ripjaw 2x4GB 1600MHz $120
Video Card (GPU) ASUS GTX 760 2GB DirectCu II $400
Primary Storage Crucial MX100 256GB $162
Secondary Storage Western Digital Blue 1tb $70
Power Supply (PSU) hx600 super flower $100
Case corsair 300r $115
Monitor dell U2414H $359 x 2
(Prices are in SGD)
Pretty unsure about the dual monitors, not sure the amount of use i can have for it.
Would playing dota2 on dual native 1920 x 1080 monitors be dizzy?
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Wait, you want games to show across both monitors? I don't think Nvidia lets you do surround with only two monitors, but that's probably for your own good unless you want the center of the field of view right where the bezels are.
Also, earlier graphics card assumptions were based on only gaming on one of the screens. Twice (not to mention triple) the pixels would mean you need a lot better graphics hardware.
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I guess i should be rethinking my monitor then.
would getting 1 U2414H be worth it cause it seems like such a waste for the thin bezel.
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Hey guys! So I've actually built the computer I linked like 10 pages ago! Was actually much harder than I thought. Especially with the Noctua CPU Cooler! Anyway, I've found out the 780 Ti I got was faulty (after a stressful two days) so I'm going to return it. My old GPU works on my Z97MX Gaming 5 but for some reason I seem to be getting constant GPU Kernal crashes every 2-3 minutes. I've updated my GPU to the latest driver and my mobo drivers are all up to date. I didn't have this problem with my old computer before I installed the card into this set up. Any ideas on what to do? Would it be my new monitor by any chance? I honestly have no ideas.
My new monitor is the BenQ XL2011Z
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I also did my build today. Went pretty well overall for the first time. Currently creating a bootable Windows 8.1 USB stick. Only issue is that the Thermalright Macho is HUGE and actually sort of doesn't quite fit my case. I can shut it the side but it will push it out a bit which I don't like. Case is NXZT Phantom 240.
Also, for some reason the motherboard standoffs were wrongly marked in the case or something. My Gigabyte Z97 motherboard says it's ATX but I had to mount it with just 7 instead of the 9 standoffs, and they were in different spots? Not sure what's going in with that.
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On August 10 2014 01:06 Sephyr wrote:
Hey guys! So I've actually built the computer I linked like 10 pages ago! Was actually much harder than I thought. Especially with the Noctua CPU Cooler! Anyway, I've found out the 780 Ti I got was faulty (after a stressful two days) so I'm going to return it. My old GPU works on my Z97MX Gaming 5 but for some reason I seem to be getting constant GPU Kernal crashes every 2-3 minutes. I've updated my GPU to the latest driver and my mobo drivers are all up to date. I didn't have this problem with my old computer before I installed the card into this set up. Any ideas on what to do? Would it be my new monitor by any chance? I honestly have no ideas.
My new monitor is the BenQ XL2011Z
You have these problems on a fresh install? Yeah that's kind of weird.
I have read a few forum posts on google. The several possible explanations I've found is that either your PSU is insufficient for your system (which I highly doubt), OR you got a factory overclocked 780 Ti but their overclock is unstable.
If the latter is the problem, you could try to downclock the GPU's core clock by 20 or 30 MHz (use MSI Afterburner). If the crashing stops, then the factory messed up their overclock, which is possible I guess. You could either RMA I guess, or just increase the voltage a bit until the card is stable. Either way, I would certainly opt to ask customer support as well.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/694029/-updated-gtx-780-ti-freeze-crash-machine-with-any-nvidia-drivers/
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?46921-Asus-GTX-780-TI-DirectCU-II-OC-keeps-crashing.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18601377
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That last ocuk thread hurts to read, suggesting that stock 780ti uses 42a of 12v (504 watts..) (edit: I read some more, ouch)
There's some issue with some software and GPU boost (unigine heaven 4.0 runs at 1293mhz for me at stock, while everything else runs at 1254) but if it's crashing on desktop then that's not good.
I would suggest bios update and setting pci-e gen to 2.0 before RMA though. PCI-E issues are all over z87 bios update notes at least.
Also.. make sure driver ver is 340.43 or the one before it, not 340.52 if possible. 340.43 is beta but i had issues with 340.52 and not 340.43
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On August 10 2014 01:30 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 01:06 Sephyr wrote:
Hey guys! So I've actually built the computer I linked like 10 pages ago! Was actually much harder than I thought. Especially with the Noctua CPU Cooler! Anyway, I've found out the 780 Ti I got was faulty (after a stressful two days) so I'm going to return it. My old GPU works on my Z97MX Gaming 5 but for some reason I seem to be getting constant GPU Kernal crashes every 2-3 minutes. I've updated my GPU to the latest driver and my mobo drivers are all up to date. I didn't have this problem with my old computer before I installed the card into this set up. Any ideas on what to do? Would it be my new monitor by any chance? I honestly have no ideas.
My new monitor is the BenQ XL2011Z You have these problems on a fresh install? Yeah that's kind of weird. I have read a few forum posts on google. The several possible explanations I've found is that either your PSU is insufficient for your system (which I highly doubt), OR you got a factory overclocked 780 Ti but their overclock is unstable. If the latter is the problem, you could try to downclock the GPU's core clock by 20 or 30 MHz (use MSI Afterburner). If the crashing stops, then the factory messed up their overclock, which is possible I guess. You could either RMA I guess, or just increase the voltage a bit until the card is stable. Either way, I would certainly opt to ask customer support as well. https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/694029/-updated-gtx-780-ti-freeze-crash-machine-with-any-nvidia-drivers/http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?46921-Asus-GTX-780-TI-DirectCU-II-OC-keeps-crashing. http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18601377
I apologize I should've made it more clear that the 780 ti already was faulty because my computer (tried it on two others who couldn't pick it up either) couldn't even pick it up. The fans were working though (as in they were spinning) but yeah, no output from the card. edit: When I say no output, I mean like literally nothing cept' the fans running. Comp can't find it. Driver install returns an error because it can't locate a GPU and monitors don't show anything. The onboard video was fine and my old GTX 580 worked fine (apart from the current problem of constant kernel crashing).
So yeah it's my GTX 580 that crashes. I had it running last night where it didn't crash a single time but now all of a sudden it seems to crash every 2-3mins. It DID crash before last nights run though but no where near as many times (like 2-3 times in 4-5hours).
e: I have a 650w Seasonic PSU. Could it be that? I thought it'd be fine but yeah. I really wanna check all options before I send my 780 ti back in haha.
e2. Thanks Cyro I'll download the .43 beta now and give it a shot!
e3. Looks like .43 fixed it! Well not 100% sure yet but hasn't crashed in the last hour-ish so looking good!
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Quick question: what antivirus software would you recommend with Windows 8.1 Professional? I used to use Avira Free which was okay but not great, are there better options these days? Focus would be on maximum gaming performance. Would like it to be free as well.
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Just use common sense and Windows Defender (which is included with Windows 8).
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Cool, works for me. Thanks!
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Wow my new PC is awesome, sorry for double posting but I really am happy with how it performs. Thank you so much for everybody here who helped me out again! NVENC/Shadowplay is incredible. 60fps 1080p recordings at zero frame loss in-game and even on desktop. Sooo good!  Also, playing SC2 and CSGO on highest graphics settings possible and still get 300 fps in CSGO and 120 in SC2 (recording or not and even without overclocking yet) is just unreal, a completely different perspective.
In short, thanks!
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Hello,
I am looking at building a new computer for my parents. They currently have my old, old, old system and it's really not serving their needs well any longer. It is running Windows XP, has 1 GB RAM, an NVIDIA GeForce FX5700LE, and an Intel Pentium 4 at 2.4 GHz. It loads slowly, programs are bogged down by low RAM, and in general it's just showing it's age.
They have stated they'd like a new system. It doesn't have to be fancy, it just has to do their basic tasks "faster." This includes things like e-mail, web browsing, document writing with Office, and academic research. I live in Canada so Canadian pricing would be helpful.
As requested on the front page, I've included the questionnaire.
Thanks in advance for your help!
What is your budget?
Ideally $300. $400 max.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
Unsure.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
They won't play any games. It will essentially serve to run Office programs (Word, Excel, Power Point especially), e-mail, web-surfing/research, etc. It may get used to play some movie files.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
The majority of use will be for business and/or research - maybe some video/movies.
Do you intend to overclock?
Probably not.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No sir.
Do you need an operating system?
Yes. Although I'd prefer to leave that out of the budget because I may give it as a gift.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No. They currently have a monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, and possibly tower (I say possibly because it's a micro tower and I'm not sure if it will fit with new motherboards).
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Intel CPU preferred but not 100% necessary.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Canada Computers has been reliable in the past and is within driving distance.
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