EPTFor GPU cooling with one of the brackets (either hand made or the one from nzxt/corsair) you need to be extremely careful of VRM temperatures
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
For GPU cooling with one of the brackets (either hand made or the one from nzxt/corsair) you need to be extremely careful of VRM temperatures | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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WindWolf
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Fibbz
Germany62 Posts
Summary Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 CPU AMD Athlon II X2 250 42 °C Regor 45nm Technology RAM 4,00GB Single-Channel DDR3 @ 668MHz (9-9-9-24) Motherboard ASUSTeK Computer INC. M4A87TD (AM3) 39 °C Graphics G2320HDBL (1920x1080@60Hz) 1023MB NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450 (CardExpert Technology) 41 °C Storage 931GB Seagate ST31000528AS ATA Device (SATA) 34 °C Optical Drives TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S223C ATA Device TSSTcorp DVD-ROM SH-D163C ATA Device Audio High Definition Audio-Gerät Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 I hope this is enough. I really dont have a lot of knowledge regarding the technical stuff. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920*1080 Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? I got a lot of freetime now and saved up some money. I would love to stream my SC2 games or at least be able to make some videos for YT. What is your budget? up to 500€ atm. If I could not achieve the streaming setup I would save up longer to go for a better one... What country will you be buying your parts in? Germany. If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. / | ||
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Ognam
United States798 Posts
What is your budget? Up to ~$1500. But if I could meet my needs for less it would be nice. What is your monitor's native resolution? Do not have (could use some advice for picking one out) What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Dota2 primarily. But I would like the ability to play some more graphics-intensive at high/max settings. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Streaming in high quality, video Do you intend to overclock? No (too advanced for my noob self) Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? ^ Do you need an operating system? Yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes. Need monitor/keyboard/mouse. Dual monitors if my budget can afford it. Recommendations on a mechanical keyboard would be helpful. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Nope. Avoiding Razer mice after my experiences with my current Deathadder though. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. None. I used some random online resources to come up with a starting point for the build. But I have zero sense of whether what I came up with is reasonable. Processor (CPU) Intel Core i5 4670k Motherboard Biostar Hi-Fi B85S3+ Ver. 6.x Micro ATX LGA1150 Memory (RAM) A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory Video Card (GPU) MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB TWIN FROZR Primary Storage Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Secondary Storage Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Power Supply (PSU) Rosewill Hive 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Case Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Heatsink Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Does this seem logical? Is there anything I don't need or things that might be overkill? I basically just want to be able to play 99% of games at max settings and stream in high quality. Would having two monitors change my needs? Feel free to flame and/or advise me on what to do. Thanks! | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On August 06 2014 23:49 Fibbz wrote:+ Show Spoiler + What is your current build? Summary Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 CPU AMD Athlon II X2 250 42 °C Regor 45nm Technology RAM 4,00GB Single-Channel DDR3 @ 668MHz (9-9-9-24) Motherboard ASUSTeK Computer INC. M4A87TD (AM3) 39 °C Graphics G2320HDBL (1920x1080@60Hz) 1023MB NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450 (CardExpert Technology) 41 °C Storage 931GB Seagate ST31000528AS ATA Device (SATA) 34 °C Optical Drives TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S223C ATA Device TSSTcorp DVD-ROM SH-D163C ATA Device Audio High Definition Audio-Gerät Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1 I hope this is enough. I really dont have a lot of knowledge regarding the technical stuff. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920*1080 Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? I got a lot of freetime now and saved up some money. I would love to stream my SC2 games or at least be able to make some videos for YT. What is your budget? up to 500€ atm. If I could not achieve the streaming setup I would save up longer to go for a better one... What country will you be buying your parts in? Germany. If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. I think I can recommend you getting the i5 4690 and a motherboard to go with that. This should be able to play starcraft 2 quite nicely and you'll still be able to stream at 1080p30 quite nicely. you can push to 1080p48 with some tweaks / compromises on in-game settings. I tested this with my own rig just to make sure, things work out quite nicely. I have a 3.6 GHz Haswell i5 4670, the i5 4690 can go to 3.9 GHz, so the 4690 should be able to get the job done. http://www.amazon.de/Intel-i5-4690-Prozessor-3-90GHz-Sockel/dp/B00K5J2252/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407337618&sr=8-1&keywords=i5 4690 http://www.amazon.de/Asrock-H81M-HDS-Mainboard-micro-ATX-Speicher/dp/B00EOBXPXK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1407337641&sr=8-2&keywords=H81M The ASrock H81-HDS seems well priced and it is compatible with devil's canyon: http://thepcenthusiast.com/list-of-8-series-motherboards-compatible-with-intel-devils-canyon/ So that's €235 for a CPU / motherboard that should be able to get the job done. I might use the remaining money for another stick of 4 Gb RAM, to get your rig to 8 Gb (which is nice to have, 4 Gb can be limiting in some cases). Streaming sc2 at 1080p48 put me at 3.5 Gb of RAM being used. You could also get a better GPU. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On August 06 2014 23:50 Ognam wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hey guys. Just graduated college and started working in the real world, so I'm looking to upgrade from my cheap college laptop to a more permanent PC with my newfound $$$. First time builder so I'm mega-noob at this. Any help would be appreciated. What is your budget? Up to ~$1500. But if I could meet my needs for less it would be nice. What is your monitor's native resolution? Do not have (could use some advice for picking one out) What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Dota2 primarily. But I would like the ability to play some more graphics-intensive at high/max settings. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Streaming in high quality, video Do you intend to overclock? No (too advanced for my noob self) Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? ^ Do you need an operating system? Yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes. Need monitor/keyboard/mouse. Dual monitors if my budget can afford it. Recommendations on a mechanical keyboard would be helpful. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Nope. Avoiding Razer mice after my experiences with my current Deathadder though. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. None. I used some random online resources to come up with a starting point for the build. But I have zero sense of whether what I came up with is reasonable. Processor (CPU) Intel Core i5 4670k Motherboard Biostar Hi-Fi B85S3+ Ver. 6.x Micro ATX LGA1150 Memory (RAM) A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory Video Card (GPU) MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB TWIN FROZR Primary Storage Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Secondary Storage Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Power Supply (PSU) Rosewill Hive 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Case Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Heatsink Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Does this seem logical? Is there anything I don't need or things that might be overkill? I basically just want to be able to play 99% of games at max settings and stream in high quality. Would having two monitors change my needs? Feel free to flame and/or advise me on what to do. Thanks! If you're not overclocking, you're best off with an i5 4690, not an i5 4670k. The 4670k is for overclocking, the 4690 is not. That said, with $1500 budget, overclocking is something to consider. If you still don't want to overclock, get an i5 4690, which has a high stock clock-speed. The i7 4970 has a stock speed of 4.0 GHz and it also has hyperthreading. It fits in your budget as well. However it's 50% more expensive than the i5 and hyperthreading doesn't help for gaming (there are exceptions); it helps for well-threaded tasks though. Streaming is a well-threaded task for example, but at the same time, if you're spending extra for processing power, you might as well overclock an i5. I'd lean towards the i5 with overclock personally, but that's just me. The PSU you chose is overkill at 650W and it's not the best quality. You should get the 550W Rosewill Capstone, which is a better quality unit and it's less overkill. The indicated wattage doesn't matter as much as the quality of the PSU. If you're set on not overclocking, then that case is a solid budget case. Not sure about the pricing, so all I can do is recommend you might look at the Fractal Design Core 1300 or the Core 2300. Those are also good cases, though if you had to choose between those and the N200, it might be best to look at pricing and maybe look at some features that you might like (cable routing for example). There's no need for an aftermarket cooler if you're not going to overclock. The CPU itself doesn't produce that much heat at stock voltage and the stock cooler is sufficient. Some say the stock cooler is noisy, I personally use my computer with the stock cooler less than 1m away from me and I'm not bothered by its noise at all. If you like the idea of silent cooling though, I recently found out about the Titan Dragonfly 4, which is a cooler that is perfect for very quiet operation on a non-overclocked system. It's a tall cpu cooler though, make sure the case can fit it, if interested: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Titan/Dragonfly_4/7.html The GTX 780 Ti is overkill for 1080p gaming and it's a nuke for Dota 2. I guess it fills the ticket for being able to play graphically demanding titles at max settings, however this card is powerful enough to do 1440p gaming. | ||
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Ognam
United States798 Posts
On August 07 2014 00:42 Incognoto wrote: If you're not overclocking, you're best off with an i5 4690, not an i5 4670k. The 4670k is for overclocking, the 4690 is not. That said, with $1500 budget, overclocking is something to consider. If you still don't want to overclock, get an i5 4690, which has a high stock clock-speed. The i7 4970 has a stock speed of 4.0 GHz and it also has hyperthreading. It fits in your budget as well. However it's 50% more expensive than the i5 and hyperthreading doesn't help for gaming (there are exceptions); it helps for well-threaded tasks though. Streaming is a well-threaded task for example, but at the same time, if you're spending extra for processing power, you might as well overclock an i5. I'd lean towards the i5 with overclock personally, but that's just me. The PSU you chose is overkill at 650W and it's not the best quality. You should get the 550W Rosewill Capstone, which is a better quality unit and it's less overkill. The indicated wattage doesn't matter as much as the quality of the PSU. If you're set on not overclocking, then that case is a solid budget case. Not sure about the pricing, so all I can do is recommend you might look at the Fractal Design Core 1300 or the Core 2300. Those are also good cases, though if you had to choose between those and the N200, it might be best to look at pricing and maybe look at some features that you might like (cable routing for example). There's no need for an aftermarket cooler if you're not going to overclock. The CPU itself doesn't produce that much heat at stock voltage and the stock cooler is sufficient. Some say the stock cooler is noisy, I personally use my computer with the stock cooler less than 1m away from me and I'm not bothered by its noise at all. If you like the idea of silent cooling though, I recently found out about the Titan Dragonfly 4, which is a cooler that is perfect for very quiet operation on a non-overclocked system. It's a tall cpu cooler though, make sure the case can fit it, if interested: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Titan/Dragonfly_4/7.html The GTX 780 Ti is overkill for 1080p gaming and it's a nuke for Dota 2. I guess it fills the ticket for being able to play graphically demanding titles at max settings, however this card is powerful enough to do 1440p gaming. Thanks a lot for the advice. I'm hesitant to overclock simply because I'm completely new to building a PC and have zero experience with hardware/computer maintenance. I'm paranoid I'd set it up wrong and cause damage. I'll definitely consider it for a future build depending on how this one goes. In regards to cases, what exactly are the possible benefits/drawbacks to paying more/less? It seems to be mostly paying for aethetics and minor features. Will drop the aftermarket cooler and switch PSU. Should I just get a GTX 780? Also would the i5 4690 be sufficient for streaming? | ||
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Fibbz
Germany62 Posts
On August 07 2014 00:13 Incognoto wrote: I think I can recommend you getting the i5 4690 and a motherboard to go with that. This should be able to play starcraft 2 quite nicely and you'll still be able to stream at 1080p30 quite nicely. you can push to 1080p48 with some tweaks / compromises on in-game settings. I tested this with my own rig just to make sure, things work out quite nicely. I have a 3.6 GHz Haswell i5 4670, the i5 4690 can go to 3.9 GHz, so the 4690 should be able to get the job done. http://www.amazon.de/Intel-i5-4690-Prozessor-3-90GHz-Sockel/dp/B00K5J2252/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407337618&sr=8-1&keywords=i5 4690 http://www.amazon.de/Asrock-H81M-HDS-Mainboard-micro-ATX-Speicher/dp/B00EOBXPXK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1407337641&sr=8-2&keywords=H81M The ASrock H81-HDS seems well priced and it is compatible with devil's canyon: http://thepcenthusiast.com/list-of-8-series-motherboards-compatible-with-intel-devils-canyon/ So that's €235 for a CPU / motherboard that should be able to get the job done. I might use the remaining money for another stick of 4 Gb RAM, to get your rig to 8 Gb (which is nice to have, 4 Gb can be limiting in some cases). Streaming sc2 at 1080p48 put me at 3.5 Gb of RAM being used. You could also get a better GPU. Thank you :D Do you think my old GTS 450 will be able to get the straming done or do I need a better one? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
On August 06 2014 23:22 WindWolf wrote: I don't believe anything until Nvidia confirms something. Doesn't we get like one of these rumors every week now? That's precisely why i put a little bit of faith in them  it's somewhat of a trend. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On August 07 2014 01:19 Ognam wrote: Thanks a lot for the advice. I'm hesitant to overclock simply because I'm completely new to building a PC and have zero experience with hardware/computer maintenance. I'm paranoid I'd set it up wrong and cause damage. I'll definitely consider it for a future build depending on how this one goes. In regards to cases, what exactly are the possible benefits/drawbacks to paying more/less? It seems to be mostly paying for aethetics and minor features. Will drop the aftermarket cooler and switch PSU. Should I just get a GTX 780? Also would the i5 4690 be sufficient for streaming? Cheaper cases may have worse finish / fit, maybe paint that scratches off, thinner metal or otherwise cheaper materials, fewer drive bays and other features, worse fans, fewer fans, worse dust filtering, hard drive mounting that makes the whole thing rattle, etc. If you're not frequently transporting the thing, working inside it for upgrades, or pushing performance (either needing advanced cooling for overclocking or strict performance / noise tradeoffs and considerations for a quiet-optimized build), I wouldn't much worry about getting something past the $50-60 level or so. Even a GTX 780 is probably on the high side. On August 07 2014 01:36 Fibbz wrote: Thank you :D Do you think my old GTS 450 will be able to get the straming done or do I need a better one? The graphics card doesn't make a difference for that. It's all processed on the CPU unless you're offloading encoding to special-purpose hardware. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
The graphics card doesn't make a difference for that. It's all processed on the CPU unless you're offloading encoding to special-purpose hardware. I think it does somewhat in terms of performance hits if you have a particularly bad one - been told that, anyway (with 200 series etc) | ||
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kaykaykay
Singapore637 Posts
On August 05 2014 21:53 Ropid wrote: You need to mention what parts you mean exactly. There's Seasonic PSUs that are worse and there's some that are just as good. There's Corsair Hydro stuff that is less performance than the air cooler mentioned and will never really beat it, and there are some that can do it easily. The Hydro series is generally sold with very fast (and noisy) fans. That's a big reason why the smaller ones can compete with the large air cooler mentioned. The air cooler is sold with a fan that's slow and quiet in comparison. If you let the fans run slow on the Hydro series stuff, the small models lose and even the big models will have problems to beat it. Referring to the CORSAIR Hydro Series H110 , http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181035 and the SeaSonic X-1250, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151109 added both newegg links for comparison, this is for the high-end gamer specs listed in the OP. Is liquid cooling that much better? | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On August 07 2014 16:57 kaykaykay wrote: Referring to the CORSAIR Hydro Series H110 , http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181035 and the SeaSonic X-1250, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151109 added both newegg links for comparison, this is for the high-end gamer specs listed in the OP. Is liquid cooling that much better? It's better, but let's say that for 15% better cooling, you're going to pay 50% more or something.* A nice high-end air cooler does the job really well. * obviously the math is skewed, it's not really 50%, but in terms of cost-efficiency clcs aren't as good as high end air | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Liquid is good, but the closed loop kits are not good enough (compared to a custom setup with better liquid, pump, block, more rad area) to pull away from good air cooling. It doesn't make sense to pay more for them unless you specially want the size or other stuff (to fit into a small case etc) | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
I'm probably gonna wait for the big gpu because if it's anything like Kepler, the big one (780ti) will outperform the medium one (680/770) by like 1.7x. Also nvidia is known for being stubborn with price drops unless forced, there was a time where 770 cost 1.6x+ as much as 7970 for like three months before they price dropped them. Wouldn't surprise me for it to be priced high, then be at two thirds of that cost in 6 months to a year. | ||
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Ognam
United States798 Posts
Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor Motherboard ASRock Fatal1ty H97 Performance ATX LGA1150 Motherboard Memory (RAM) Crucial Ballistix Elite 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory Video Card (GPU) MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card Primary Storage Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Secondary Storage Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Power Supply (PSU) Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply Case Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case Also getting: Monitor Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor Keyboard Cooler Master Storm QuickFire Rapid Wired Gaming Keyboard So I went and did more research and came up with this so far. Any feedback/suggestions for this? It totals to be in my ~$1500 range which is nice. Is the i5 4690 sufficient for streaming? Also is the amount of storage overkill? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Change GTX 780 to a GTX 760. Use money saved for better monitor or a second monitor (or both if budget allows). Makes more sense for someone concerned with DOTA 2. Only you are able to determine whether the amount of storage is overkill or not.. we do not know your usage patterns. | ||
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