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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On June 22 2014 01:23 Cyro wrote: + Show Spoiler + If you wanna use the 460 and run like lower resolution or settings, you could make a really cheap system but it wouldn't run the best. If you wanted great wildstar performance, that would be ~750ti+ paired with something picked out of~ stock pentium, OC pentium*, i3, stock i5. Maybe even overclock i5, but that's probably not worth it unless you do a build like firebolt and spend more, because although quite a few games (LoL, sc2, WoW, etc) love CPU power and don't get held back much or at all by weaker graphics, there's also a lot of games that do need the graphical power too, and 4690k@4.6ghz + 750ti is a bit lopsided for those *Pentium is dual core, missing AVX instructions which hurts a bit for some loads, but rarely make any difference in games. Overclockable one can take over i3 in frequency and run many games better. The processor itself is ~£53 and you can run near-max overclock on a cheap motherboard and the stock cooler, so it can be amazing price/performance for the games that don't get big performance boosts going from 2 cores to 4+, but are CPU bound. i3 is dual core with hyperthreading, so it runs games that can use more than 2 threads well a bit better, also has a bit more cache i think than pentium. You can't overclock them though. i5 is quad core, but more expensive. They're locked unless you pay like £165 for OC model and have added costs for motherboard and cooling if you do so I would go for a dual core if i was just gaming then but i do a decent amount of video rendering and like to stream a lot so its worth having more cores. didnt you say firebolt's build was 700+ quid? becos thats something i could work towards if its robust enough to be able to stream for the future (obviously my laptop works for now whilst streaming dota but if i ever wanted to stream wildstar thats a no on the laptop) | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
On June 22 2014 01:48 Targe wrote: I would go for a dual core if i was just gaming then but i do a decent amount of video rendering and like to stream a lot so its worth having more cores. didnt you say firebolt's build was 700+ quid? becos thats something i could work towards if its robust enough to be able to stream for the future (obviously my laptop works for now whilst streaming dota but if i ever wanted to stream wildstar thats a no on the laptop) He went like 800 i think, but that was after windows license(?) and screen. I don't remember exact details, will see when i talk to him rough price up~ £165 i5 £100 mobo £60 2x4gb RAM £33 cooler £37 for 1tb hdd £53 for 120/128GB ssd, either mx100 or 840 evo £110 for a 750ti, £176 for 760 £37 or so for PSU ^£600 build for 4690k+overclock+gtx760 with 120GB SSD + 1TB HDD etc. That's before variable prices like case and windows license, which can either be a nonfactor for cost or a significant addition (if you want to buy a full price windows license and an expensive case) Maybe i missed something, because that seems a little too good on the pricing side. Yep, i derped when pricing up and that list is £595 with 750ti, £661 with 760 Can cut money on storage, removing CPU OC potential (£75?) but that's about it http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1130?vs=1038 the 750ti has slightly more OC headroom, but it's small on both GPU's in terms of what performance you can actually end up with, so it's mostly what you see is what you get with them. Maybe +5% on a 760 and +10% on a 750ti. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
im probably about to ask some questions that have been asked 50+ times in this thread but is the oc worth it and i guess a 7200 rpm hd is as good as having two seperate drives with one ssd if you dont care about boot times? (im ignorant on what benefits ssd gives, i have one but dont really think about it) | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:21 Targe wrote: damn, the whole thing is a lot cheaper than i thought, i already have monitors and previous windows licenses to choose from so that would cut down costs i guess. im probably about to ask some questions that have been asked 50+ times in this thread but is the oc worth it and i guess a 7200 rpm hd is as good as having two seperate drives with one ssd if you dont care about boot times? (im ignorant on what benefits ssd gives, i have one but dont really think about it) Jumping between dungeons and zones in Wildstar took like 5-10x longer on my HDD, also half of the reason i moved it over to SSD was stuttering in crowded areas, but that might not happen if you take better care of your HDD and leave plenty of free space, defragment it regularly etc It's worth oc if you want to be at 4600mhz instead of 3600  like if you value your fps being 1/4 higher whenever it's below 80 or so | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
sounds like oc is a good idea, i could always swap out my 500gb ssd from my laptop for a 500gb hd then have the ssd as my tower hd lookin for anywhere to save money here :D | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
500gb ssd from my laptop wat  Yea, probably good idea | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
 works pretty good ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YJrUv7a.png) | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:24 Cyro wrote: Jumping between dungeons and zones in Wildstar took like 5-10x longer on my HDD, also half of the reason i moved it over to SSD was stuttering in crowded areas, but that might not happen if you take better care of your HDD and leave plenty of free space, defragment it regularly etc It's worth oc if you want to be at 4600mhz instead of 3600 like if you value your fps being 1/4 higher whenever it's below 80 or so cyro i blame you and this thread for not telling me to overclock when I asked for help back then | ||
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DroneDroneDrone
United States11 Posts
EDIT: I have an i5-750 right now but its crap | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
And yes you need a 9 series board or a 8 series board with updated BIOS to support the 4690. | ||
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DroneDroneDrone
United States11 Posts
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
My budget is about $550. MAYBE I could stretch it out to 600, but I'd like to keep it lower than that. A couple questions: 1. I noticed the case comes with 3 fans, is this sufficient or will I need to install more? 2. Would I be better off with an i3 over the fx 6300? I'm planning on playing a lot of modern games, hopefully big name titles at 1080p medium settings. If anyone sees anything they'd like to point out or they think needs to be changed please let me know! | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On June 22 2014 05:48 Hyren wrote: This is my preliminary build I put together: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HNBdrH My budget is about $550. MAYBE I could stretch it out to 600, but I'd like to keep it lower than that. A couple questions: 1. I noticed the case comes with 3 fans, is this sufficient or will I need to install more? 2. Would I be better off with an i3 over the fx 6300? I'm planning on playing a lot of modern games, hopefully big name titles at 1080p medium settings. If anyone sees anything they'd like to point out or they think needs to be changed please let me know! Yeah an i3 at stock clocks is going to be better than that FX 6300. FX 6300 can be overclocked but it needs a heatsink and motherboard to go with it. Overclocked 6300 doesn't even get you close to i3 single thread performance, which is what you want for games. I think with the rig you're proposing you could probably push to high settings an 1080p. 3 case fans is more than enough for a build such as this one. You could perhaps get a budget case and use that though, with the $30 you save you could put that into a faster i3. Coolermaster N200 is a solid budget case, not a bad case for its price at all, very good even. It comes with two case fans so you don't have to buy more. 2 case fans is fine for a rig like this one. That PSU iirc isn't that great, for a few more $ you get a better PSU, which is still budget. That would be the XFX Pro 550W. So the edited version would look like this: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/c79Qf7 | ||
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
On June 22 2014 06:02 Incognoto wrote: Yeah an i3 at stock clocks is going to be better than that FX 6300. FX 6300 can be overclocked but it needs a heatsink and motherboard to go with it. Overclocked 6300 doesn't even get you close to i3 single thread performance, which is what you want for games. I think with the rig you're proposing you could probably push to high settings an 1080p. 3 case fans is more than enough for a build such as this one. You could perhaps get a budget case and use that though, with the $30 you save you could put that into a faster i3. Coolermaster N200 is a solid budget case, not a bad case for its price at all, very good even. It comes with two case fans so you don't have to buy more. 2 case fans is fine for a rig like this one. That PSU iirc isn't that great, for a few more $ you get a better PSU, which is still budget. That would be the XFX Pro 550W. So the edited version would look like this: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/c79Qf7 Thanks a bunch! I'll keep poking around until I get paid next week but I'll probably go with your build. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
Could you give it a glance over? I'm just waking up so will research the components myself in 20 mins and post again here. This is the quote we are given for a "barebones" machine that fits my boss's requirements: Intel i5 4460 quad core processor Intel H81M chipset motherboard 16Gb (2 x 8Gb) DDR3 1600Mhz memory 2 x 500Gb hard drives DVD/RW optical drive Wired keyboard and mouse No operating system installed Prebuilt and with Free delivery £478 INC VAT Any comment on this? I'll look up the components in 20 min and repost with an update Cheers | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
If 16 GB of RAM is needed, are you sure he'll never need 32 GB? You may want to get a board with four slots just in case (maybe other features / expansion slots if you could foresee them being used). Usually cheap H81 mATX boards only have two RAM slots. | ||
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Willzzz
United Kingdom774 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On June 23 2014 02:12 Willzzz wrote: I'd be astonished if anyone needed over 16gb outside of very specific use cases. If you are running lots of virtual machines you might very well need more than 16gb of memory. Other than that though, I don't see how anything can use more then 16 | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On June 23 2014 03:32 WindWolf wrote: If you are running lots of virtual machines you might very well need more than 16gb of memory. Other than that though, I don't see how anything can use more then 16 I can't think of precise examples but I know there are several instances where 16 Gb can be useful. There's a rule of thumb that says if you're not sure whether or not you need more than 8 Gb of RAM, it means you don't. | ||
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