EPTDoubtlessly when Broadwell comes out Z97 boards will become much better value, but until then Intel and Z97 board makers are just milking da monies imo.
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Doubtlessly when Broadwell comes out Z97 boards will become much better value, but until then Intel and Z97 board makers are just milking da monies imo. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
MSI Z97 GAMING 7 6+1/6+1 instead of 8+0/8+0 Is this important? According to reviews it can do 4500 on the cpu quite fine. Since i probably want lower cuz i prefer stability it seems to be more than fine. It has the "smart fan controller" Smart Fan Control gives you complete control of all your fans on the motherboard If i understand it correctly, you can control ALL FANS via the motherboard and not only the fans that are on the motherboard(if it exist any fans on the motherboard idk). Does it seem i understand it correct? Asus maximum VII Hero doesnt seem as good. I think i pick this mboard, it seems pretty solid overall. Any comment? EDIT: ASUS Z97-DELUXE seems to be a nice board though. I still dont know what to pick. Will have to decide in a few days. | ||
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promoe
Germany14 Posts
most important: is everything compatible? /////////////pc///////////////// i5-5690; asus-h97-plus; crucial mx100 256gb; 8GB Kingston HyperX fury blue DDR3-1600; super flower golden green hx 450w; bitfenix shinobi core; zalman f3 fan; samsung drive; https://www.mindfactory.de/shopping_cart.php/basket_action/load_basket_extern/id/b65c9d2207505d16246ffc54c61563db55a95347efaa32ec474 547,76 € + 50.46€ wd green 1tb: http://www.amazon.de/dp/B006GDVREI/ref=asc_df_B006GDVREI19458438?smid=A1XCF8DLK3OC2Y&tag=geizhals10-21&linkCode=df0&creative=22506&creativeASIN=B006GDVREI +125,06 € asus gtx750ti: http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=154867&agid=2270&pvid=4puenzf4q_hwm0o000&ref=13 ---------------------- 724,28€ //////////////////monitors/////////////////////// 18,5" benq http://www.amazon.de/BenQ-widescreen-TFT-Monitor-Reaktionszeit-schwarz/dp/B009PV6U6I/ref=sr_1_66?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1401450067&sr=1-66 +88,90€ 24" acer http://www.amazon.de/Acer-S242HLCBID-LED-Monitor-Reaktionszeit-schwarz/dp/B005PLFAH2/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1401447315&sr=1-3 +129,99€ -------------------- 943,17€ ////////////////stuff//////////////////// hdmi cable http://www.amazon.de/AmazonBasics-Hochgeschwindigkeits-HDMI-Kabel-mit-Ethernet-Meter/dp/B003L1ZYYM/ref=sr_1_1?s=ce-accessories&ie=UTF8&qid=1403223079&sr=1-1 +6,99€ do i need any cables besides a hdmi cable which wont be delivered along the parts? thanks for your time! appreciate it cheers | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On June 19 2014 03:26 skyR wrote: I believe both the EVGA Super Nova G2 and Coolermaster V are both far better than the RM550 and RM650. I think the RM750 and RM850 are a bit better but RM series as a whole is not that good compared to the competition. I just remember that I asked about the rm series on r/buildapc and the response I got there was that it was a good series. And even if there are better options out there, is it still a good psu | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On June 21 2014 00:57 WindWolf wrote: I just remember that I asked about the rm series on r/buildapc and the response I got there was that it was a good series. And even if there are better options out there, is it still a good psu it's actually mediocre at best. Not bad, but for your money there are better options; that's what makes it "bad". So it's mediocre. E: http://www.overclock.net/t/1455892/why-you-might-not-want-to-buy-a-corsair-rm-psu | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20324 Posts
Good with the 4970k at stock and good if i wanna overclock it further, I will overclock it to max 4500. You can't really decide where you're overclocking to in terms of frequency, only voltage. You could say like you want to use 1.25v and that could get you 4.7ghz or 4.2ghz, it depends on the chip. TL;DR is that motherboard, cooling, etc is not dependent on the frequency you hit (which is somewhat random) but the voltages and amount of power that you are using | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
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FFGenerations
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Budget MAX £500 Processor INTEL I5 4460 CPU or 4670K Processor Or Xeon E3 series (if it is compatible and not silly money) 2 x 1TB SATA Hard drive 16 Gb DDR3 1600 Mhz Ram CD Player Basic Graphics Card Analogue or Digital 2 x USB 3.0 Good Quality LAN/Ethernet Card Tower Case 500W PSU No Audio No Monitor/Mouse/Keyboard Loaded with Windows 7 64 Operating System ( I have the licences and discs) can anyone recommend a CPU around that range and a motherboard that will go with it? he doesn't know what CPU he is looking for really (and i dont know what range those are) like what is the dif between xeon e3 and i5 4670 which seem to have similar prices.. by basic graphics card i suppose he should get one around £100..... the computer isn't to be used for games, instead for windows applications like virtual machine and internet explorer, but i'm guessing a £100 graphics card is still way more useful than a £50 or onboard graphics..... any PSU currently recommended or network card or tower? he has a tower in mind but cant remember what its called i will look on overclockers.co.uk and make a component list /price | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20324 Posts
On June 21 2014 06:29 FFGenerations wrote: Hey, i'm looking to build a computer for my friend/boss: Budget MAX £500 Processor INTEL I5 4460 CPU or 4670K Processor Or Xeon E3 series (if it is compatible and not silly money) 2 x 1TB SATA Hard drive 16 Gb DDR3 1600 Mhz Ram CD Player Basic Graphics Card Analogue or Digital 2 x USB 3.0 Good Quality LAN/Ethernet Card Tower Case 500W PSU No Audio No Monitor/Mouse/Keyboard Loaded with Windows 7 64 Operating System ( I have the licences and discs) can anyone recommend a CPU around that range and a motherboard that will go with it? he doesn't know what CPU he is looking for really (and i dont know what range those are) like what is the dif between xeon e3 and i5 4670 which seem to have similar prices.. by basic graphics card i suppose he should get one around £100..... the computer isn't to be used for games, instead for windows applications like virtual machine and internet explorer, but i'm guessing a £100 graphics card is still way more useful than a £50 or onboard graphics..... any PSU currently recommended or network card or tower? he has a tower in mind but cant remember what its called i will look on overclockers.co.uk and make a component list /price Buying a £100 graphics card now for web browsing is like buying a £400 card four years ago. It was silly for just web browsing then and it is just as silly now, modern integrated is very good and intel doesn't make any decent CPU dies without it below like £400 because a majority of systems use it for display, web browsing, general PC activities, even some lighter games like running sc2 at low on 1080p | ||
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DroneDroneDrone
United States11 Posts
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8ctbCJ This will be for gaming, office/schoolwork, and streaming. I plan to buy these parts over a period of (presumably) 3 months buying the parts on sale first -> parts not on sale. Also anyway to check if parts are DOA without having build completed as most come with 30 day return for replacement policy. I'm ordering the PSU first if that helps. Thanks. ( first time building PC ) | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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DroneDroneDrone
United States11 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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DroneDroneDrone
United States11 Posts
On June 21 2014 13:46 Ropid wrote: I'm afraid a stock speed Intel system would beat this for SC2 and WoW, despite overclocking the AMD CPU. This means it could be cheaper than what you have on your list. You could buy a cheap $80 LGA1150 socket board, locked i5 CPU, could skip the Hyper 212 cooler. Do you have a build for this? I'd like to see it. I may just upgrade the GPU instead of SLI in the future if SLI is really not needed, also keep the 700w as I'm about to buy it (would also like good upgrade ability still). Feel free to change anything else. | ||
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AutoEngineer
United States97 Posts
On June 21 2014 12:59 DroneDroneDrone wrote: Would like some feedback on this build. Can it run games on highest/really high settings? http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8ctbCJ This will be for gaming, office/schoolwork, and streaming. I plan to buy these parts over a period of (presumably) 3 months buying the parts on sale first -> parts not on sale. Also anyway to check if parts are DOA without having build completed as most come with 30 day return for replacement policy. I'm ordering the PSU first if that helps. Thanks. ( first time building PC ) That will run SC2 on highest settings with minimum 40FPS. The GTX 760 is a mid-high end GPU and should run SC2 on highest settings with no hiccups. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On June 21 2014 14:10 DroneDroneDrone wrote: Do you have a build for this? I'd like to see it. I may just upgrade the GPU instead of SLI in the future if SLI is really not needed, also keep the 700w as I'm about to buy it (would also like good upgrade ability still). Feel free to change anything else. i5-4570 $200 super cheap mobo $50 If you're buying over 3 months you might be able to find better deals (I got a i5 4670 and similar mobo for $230 over black Friday) fwiw, It streams SC2 like a champ (and I'm still using my 4 gen old GPU - for now) | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
E: With a high overclock, the FX series CPUs will approach a Haswell i5 in terms of single-threaded performance. Nonetheless an FX-8320 at 4.52 GHz is still 24% slower in terms of single-threaded performance than a Haswell at 3.6 GHz (not sure if it turbos to 3.8 ? I think it does). SC2, LoL and Source engine games all want that juicy single thread performance. I compared my i5 4670 to AMD's equivalent. In terms of price my i5 4670 and B85 board were priced quite similarly to the FX 8320 with an overclocking board and heatsink. http://www.overclock.net/t/1484890/lightbox/post/22164219/id/1988666 Afaik, the FX 6300 should clock a bit faster than the FX 8320, since it has two less cores (or modules, w/e you wanna call 'em) so you have a bit more temperature headroom. Obviously, you'll lose multithread performance going FX 6300 over FX 8320. Honestly though a stock 4690 looks like a very solid choice. | ||
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Fraggle
Norway105 Posts
The motherboard you have on your list will not get you anything extra compared to much cheaper boards. Something for about two-thirds the price will have the same performance The reason I went with a more expensive motherboard over something like the Z97-A is that I had read that the Hero had much better onboard sound compared to the cheaper alternatives. If this is just a lie however i would probably go for the Z97-A or equivelant. If you are buying high-end, you should buy high-end everything and not get a shitty Hyper 212 EVO. I agree on that, I am going to get new Noctua-DH 15 thats coming out or the U14-S instead. (Just need to check for compatibility with ram) If you dont wanna pay premiums for performance (4790k, something like a silver arrow or 2x fan width clc) then use a 4670k and a ~true spirit 140 power edition IMO If I go down to an i5 shouldn't I go for the new 4690k thats getting released momentarely? it's the same price as the 4670k, and from my eyes better. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20324 Posts
Ok. Really all I'm wondering is if I can stream SC2/LoL at their highest settings with at least 30 FPS (well really if I can play them at highest I don't mind lowering to high/medium for streaming). I don't mind running medium for my other games. Games that I'd like to be able to run at highest are SC2, LoL, WoW. Why would you choose an AMD CPU for this? All these of those are HEAVILY biased towards Intel. If you can't afford i5 i would be looking at the anniversary edition pentium. If I go down to an i5 shouldn't I go for the new 4690k thats getting released momentarely? it's the same price as the 4670k, and from my eyes better. Yea, brain fail sorry I just want to throw out there that my i5 4670 at stock clocks gets 70+ fps on low settings at 1080p in SC2. Depends on the place. On the same 2v2 replay that i have, my FPS is in the 400's early game, but it goes to like ~12fps (never goes past like 500 supply or so) for a second in engagement if physics are on, 30 without them (at 4.5ghz). You can't really state an absolute performance, you can only compare CPU's - performance varies map to map, army to army so much. E: With a high overclock, the FX series CPUs will approach a Haswell i5 in terms of single-threaded performance. Nonetheless an FX-8320 at 4.52 GHz is still 24% slower in terms of single-threaded performance than a Haswell at 3.6 GHz (not sure if it turbos to 3.8 ? I think it does). SC2, LoL and Source engine games all want that juicy single thread performance. It's just not good for sc2, LoL and some MMO/RTS, i don't really know about source engine That will run SC2 on highest settings with minimum 40FPS. Depends on unit counts. I'd always recommend playing with physics off, reflections off, effects medium - but you can only really compare relative performance, unless you have a very specific benchmark/situation where you want X FPS in like i said above This is why you have to REALLY think before using FX for some of those games, particularly since everything listed runs significantly better on anniversary edition pentium than fx9590 - ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fDMF8JE.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://media.bestofmicro.com/X/X/440565/original/wow-fr.png) | ||
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