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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 19 2014 19:24 GMT
#6461
On June 20 2014 04:19 SilentchiLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 04:12 Incognoto wrote:
On June 20 2014 03:55 SilentchiLL wrote:
Well, my motherboard definitly has a CD included and the systemrepair finished and restarted, now it repairs again.
Why a fresh install though? The only Windows CD a viable to me is over a hundred kilometres away

Edit:
System repair couldn't solve it, computer turned off


You can install windows now and enter the CD key later afaik. You can also install windows from a 4 Gb USB stick, using this utility:

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/html/pbPage.Help_Win7_usbdvd_dwnTool

Using that you can make a virtual CD from a usb stick, though you need to download the virtual CD (.iso file) from microsoft as well.

@Leo: yes and very easily


Still don't have a DVD drive or a CD though
What actually causes this problem?


Because your HDD has chipset drivers meant for the hardware that you replaced, not for the hardware that you are currently using.
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
June 19 2014 19:27 GMT
#6462
On June 20 2014 04:22 Ropid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 03:36 SilentchiLL wrote:
IT WORKS
But it told me it can't start since hardware was changed (well, alll of it) and my old DVD drive is too old to be compatible with my motherboard, so I guess I have to get a new one tomorrow to install the driver of the motherboard



Edit:
IT offered me to repair the system and has been doing so for a while now, is it useful and how long will it take?

Dude! Don't use the driver CD for anything. There's only ancient drivers on it anyway.

You can install Windows fine without manually doing anything to the drivers. Windows Update will just deal with all devices automatically the moment it can get online. There's a good chance everything will work perfect, without issues.

If you want to use the motherboard manufacturer's drivers, you can visit their website and look in the support section for your board, download the drivers there.

Installing Windows can be done through putting Windows on a USB stick, so you don't need an optical disc drive for anything really, though you need another working computer to create that USB stick.



Will I lose my old data if I reinstall Windows?
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
June 19 2014 19:29 GMT
#6463
On June 20 2014 04:24 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 04:19 SilentchiLL wrote:
On June 20 2014 04:12 Incognoto wrote:
On June 20 2014 03:55 SilentchiLL wrote:
Well, my motherboard definitly has a CD included and the systemrepair finished and restarted, now it repairs again.
Why a fresh install though? The only Windows CD a viable to me is over a hundred kilometres away

Edit:
System repair couldn't solve it, computer turned off


You can install windows now and enter the CD key later afaik. You can also install windows from a 4 Gb USB stick, using this utility:

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/html/pbPage.Help_Win7_usbdvd_dwnTool

Using that you can make a virtual CD from a usb stick, though you need to download the virtual CD (.iso file) from microsoft as well.

@Leo: yes and very easily


Still don't have a DVD drive or a CD though
What actually causes this problem?


Because your HDD has chipset drivers meant for the hardware that you replaced, not for the hardware that you are currently using.




Couldn't I just start in safe mode and delete them then, though?
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 19 2014 19:30 GMT
#6464
If you perform a clean install, yes you will lose all data. If you perform an upgrade, your old data will go into a folder named Windows.old
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 19:32:28
June 19 2014 19:31 GMT
#6465
On June 20 2014 04:27 SilentchiLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 04:22 Ropid wrote:
On June 20 2014 03:36 SilentchiLL wrote:
IT WORKS
But it told me it can't start since hardware was changed (well, alll of it) and my old DVD drive is too old to be compatible with my motherboard, so I guess I have to get a new one tomorrow to install the driver of the motherboard



Edit:
IT offered me to repair the system and has been doing so for a while now, is it useful and how long will it take?

Dude! Don't use the driver CD for anything. There's only ancient drivers on it anyway.

You can install Windows fine without manually doing anything to the drivers. Windows Update will just deal with all devices automatically the moment it can get online. There's a good chance everything will work perfect, without issues.

If you want to use the motherboard manufacturer's drivers, you can visit their website and look in the support section for your board, download the drivers there.

Installing Windows can be done through putting Windows on a USB stick, so you don't need an optical disc drive for anything really, though you need another working computer to create that USB stick.



Will I lose my old data if I reinstall Windows?


Yes. Can't you back it up?

Though yeah there's the upgrade option. You won't lose anything but you'll basically have two windows on your HDD.
maru lover forever
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
June 19 2014 19:36 GMT
#6466
On June 20 2014 04:30 skyR wrote:
If you perform a clean install, yes you will lose all data. If you perform an upgrade, your old data will go into a folder named Windows.old



Do I just need the CD and a DVD drive for the upgrade? I could get either I think, even if it'll take a while
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
June 19 2014 19:37 GMT
#6467
On June 20 2014 04:08 Leon1das1 wrote:
Quick question, will a GTX 750ti stream League of Legends on very high settings at 60 fps or higher?


what kind of CPU do you have?
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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
June 19 2014 19:37 GMT
#6468
What exactly is the error you get at boot? If your old PC was pretty old, it could be that "AHCI" vs. "IDE" issue for the SATA ports. If that's the case, you can then look around in the BIOS of your new board and look for where it mentions AHCI. Switch that setting over to IDE or "Legacy". The old Windows will then boot.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 19 2014 19:39 GMT
#6469
On June 20 2014 04:36 SilentchiLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 04:30 skyR wrote:
If you perform a clean install, yes you will lose all data. If you perform an upgrade, your old data will go into a folder named Windows.old



Do I just need the CD and a DVD drive for the upgrade? I could get either I think, even if it'll take a while


Just a 4 gb usb stick.
maru lover forever
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 19:50:26
June 19 2014 19:47 GMT
#6470
On June 20 2014 04:37 Ropid wrote:
What exactly is the error you get at boot? If your old PC was pretty old, it could be that "AHCI" vs. "IDE" issue for the SATA ports. If that's the case, you can then look around in the BIOS of your new board and look for where it mentions AHCI. Switch that setting over to IDE or "Legacy". The old Windows will then boot.



I get no error at all, it just stops as Windows is being started


The Windows CD will get mailed to me
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 19:55:22
June 19 2014 19:52 GMT
#6471
I bet that's exactly that AHCI/IDE error. What you do is this: look for where you configure the SATA controller in the BIOS. Switch it over from SATA to IDE (or it might be called "legacy"). You might have two controllers, one from Intel and one third party. You need to find the settings that configure the Intel one.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20324 Posts
June 19 2014 19:57 GMT
#6472
On June 20 2014 02:55 WindWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 01:12 felisconcolori wrote:
On June 19 2014 21:53 WindWolf wrote:
On June 19 2014 01:58 WindWolf wrote:
So here is the build I’m considering buying later this summer. I’m aware that it might be a little early to post this, but I’m going to be busy with various things on and off until I can buy it so I’d rather post it now than forgetting it completely.

I'm wondering if 550W will do in this build, or if I should go 650W if I want to OC?

Motherboard: Asus ROG Maximus VII Ranger
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790k
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2x8GB)
SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 512 GB
HDD: WD Black 4TB
Graphics card: ASUS GeForce GTX780 Ti DirectCU II OC
Case: Corsair Obsidian 750D
PSU: Corsair RM ???W
Operating system: Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-bit OEM


I'm wondering if the Fractal Design ARC Midi R2 would be a better case than the 750D in terms of air flow and air cooling? Or if anyone has a better suggestion for a case.


I'm happy with it - it seems to have decent airflow. Especially if you remove the middle drive cage section. Then again, it has a vented bottom, top, and front, decent exhaust at the back, and filters on most. It will fit everything I see, and it has an integrated three speed fan controller.

Even with high-end graphics cards? Because one thing that speaks more to me here is the additional HDD mounts over the Air540 (I'm only buying one now, but you never know about storage in the future)


Air540 has two HDD mounts, but you can put some in the back if you want. It has a stack thing that supports like eight 2.5" drives, too

On June 20 2014 04:08 Leon1das1 wrote:
Quick question, will a GTX 750ti stream League of Legends on very high settings at 60 fps or higher?




Yea, at like 250fps max settings aside from shadows. Just depends on your CPU mostly


"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
June 19 2014 20:01 GMT
#6473
On June 20 2014 04:52 Ropid wrote:
I bet that's exactly that AHCI/IDE error. What you do is this: look for where you configure the SATA controller in the BIOS. Switch it over from SATA to IDE (or it might be called "legacy"). You might have two controllers, one from Intel and one third party. You need to find the settings that configure the Intel one.



I'll try to find it, but the H97 pc mate has click bios 4, which is probably very nice and useful, but I'm not used to it so I'll need a bit to find it
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
June 19 2014 20:07 GMT
#6474
I did it and it seems to have worked
I logged in
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
June 19 2014 20:15 GMT
#6475
Yay \o/

At some point in the future, you should google how to switch your Windows installation to AHCI. It's better performance than IDE and also very important to use for SSDs.

There's a tiny Registry change you have to do to make Windows load the AHCI driver instead of the IDE one. Afterwards, you restart and go into the BIOS and turn on AHCI. It's not hard, you just need to find a guide that talks about exactly your Windows version (there's differences between Vista and 7 and 8).

Alternatively, if you decide to reinstall Windows on this new PC, don't forget to set it to AHCI in the BIOS before you run the Windows installation, or it will again install in IDE mode.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
June 19 2014 20:19 GMT
#6476
Thanks, ropid, you're a lifesaver

And I have win7
Should I do anything special now to get things to work?
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
June 19 2014 20:23 GMT
#6477
And I can't get into the net or get proper drivers yet, because the network adapter lacks a driver, damn.
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
June 19 2014 20:27 GMT
#6478
Do you have another machine in your home? A notebook or something? Download that network driver from the MSI website.

I feel it's a bit strange that it doesn't work. I thought Windows supports basically all current adapters by default.

About that AHCI/IDE business, if you want to switch it over to AHCI now, I found a guide: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=313676

So it's really very easy. It's just finding that key in the registry, and setting it to zero. Then take a trip into the BIOS when restarting.

[You should probably do a backup of your files. You could also wait with experiments like that until you got your Windows DVD in the mail or downloaded a disc image and created a USB stick, so that you can reinstall Windows if something goes wrong.]
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
June 19 2014 20:32 GMT
#6479
On June 20 2014 04:57 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 02:55 WindWolf wrote:
On June 20 2014 01:12 felisconcolori wrote:
On June 19 2014 21:53 WindWolf wrote:
On June 19 2014 01:58 WindWolf wrote:
So here is the build I’m considering buying later this summer. I’m aware that it might be a little early to post this, but I’m going to be busy with various things on and off until I can buy it so I’d rather post it now than forgetting it completely.

I'm wondering if 550W will do in this build, or if I should go 650W if I want to OC?

Motherboard: Asus ROG Maximus VII Ranger
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790k
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2x8GB)
SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 512 GB
HDD: WD Black 4TB
Graphics card: ASUS GeForce GTX780 Ti DirectCU II OC
Case: Corsair Obsidian 750D
PSU: Corsair RM ???W
Operating system: Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-bit OEM


I'm wondering if the Fractal Design ARC Midi R2 would be a better case than the 750D in terms of air flow and air cooling? Or if anyone has a better suggestion for a case.


I'm happy with it - it seems to have decent airflow. Especially if you remove the middle drive cage section. Then again, it has a vented bottom, top, and front, decent exhaust at the back, and filters on most. It will fit everything I see, and it has an integrated three speed fan controller.

Even with high-end graphics cards? Because one thing that speaks more to me here is the additional HDD mounts over the Air540 (I'm only buying one now, but you never know about storage in the future)


Air540 has two HDD mounts, but you can put some in the back if you want. It has a stack thing that supports like eight 2.5" drives, too

It support four 2.5" in the back plus two 2.5"/3.5" drives by default.
I know that the back is pretty spacey, but what I'm wondering if it is a good idea to "just lay down" HDDs
EZ4ENCE
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20324 Posts
June 19 2014 20:34 GMT
#6480
On June 20 2014 05:32 WindWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 04:57 Cyro wrote:
On June 20 2014 02:55 WindWolf wrote:
On June 20 2014 01:12 felisconcolori wrote:
On June 19 2014 21:53 WindWolf wrote:
On June 19 2014 01:58 WindWolf wrote:
So here is the build I’m considering buying later this summer. I’m aware that it might be a little early to post this, but I’m going to be busy with various things on and off until I can buy it so I’d rather post it now than forgetting it completely.

I'm wondering if 550W will do in this build, or if I should go 650W if I want to OC?

Motherboard: Asus ROG Maximus VII Ranger
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790k
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2x8GB)
SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 512 GB
HDD: WD Black 4TB
Graphics card: ASUS GeForce GTX780 Ti DirectCU II OC
Case: Corsair Obsidian 750D
PSU: Corsair RM ???W
Operating system: Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-bit OEM


I'm wondering if the Fractal Design ARC Midi R2 would be a better case than the 750D in terms of air flow and air cooling? Or if anyone has a better suggestion for a case.


I'm happy with it - it seems to have decent airflow. Especially if you remove the middle drive cage section. Then again, it has a vented bottom, top, and front, decent exhaust at the back, and filters on most. It will fit everything I see, and it has an integrated three speed fan controller.

Even with high-end graphics cards? Because one thing that speaks more to me here is the additional HDD mounts over the Air540 (I'm only buying one now, but you never know about storage in the future)


Air540 has two HDD mounts, but you can put some in the back if you want. It has a stack thing that supports like eight 2.5" drives, too

It support four 2.5" in the back plus two 2.5"/3.5" drives by default.
I know that the back is pretty spacey, but what I'm wondering if it is a good idea to "just lay down" HDDs


Oh, it's just a lot, like way more than i thought to use. You can leave SSD's hanging anywhere, as for HDD's if you don't want external and a pair of drives is not good enough for you, then you can get a bracket or something to use more
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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