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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 20:51:13
June 19 2014 20:42 GMT
#6481
How Do I find out which driver I need? I could download it with my phone

Fuck, I need to reactivate Windows, do I need the CD for that?
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
June 19 2014 20:45 GMT
#6482
On June 20 2014 05:42 SilentchiLL wrote:
How Do I find out which driver I need? I could download it with my phone

http://www.msi.com/support/mb/H97_PC_Mate.html#down-driver&Win7 64

That's your board, right? Click the second download "Realtek PCI-E Ethernet Drivers". That's assuming you have 64-bit Windows 7 installed.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
June 19 2014 20:59 GMT
#6483
Doesn't seem like the site is cell phone compatible, I'll try to get on a computer of a buddy
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 21:04:02
June 19 2014 21:02 GMT
#6484
You could also try to see if the optical drive you have works now that Windows is booting right.

EDIT: Here's the download link I see in my web browser, maybe clicking on this here with the phone works:

http://download.msi.com/dvr_exe/realtek_pcielan_7_mb.zip
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 21:21:55
June 19 2014 21:15 GMT
#6485
Alright, it worked out, the net is back and I'm finally on my computer again, I love you Ropid.

I still need to reactivate windows though. Holy shit it feels amazing to be able to type again.

(will make some calls to get the key again)
possum, sed nolo - Real men play random. ___ "Who the fuck is Kyle?!" C*****EX
Leon1das1
Profile Joined June 2014
United States71 Posts
June 19 2014 21:58 GMT
#6486
On June 20 2014 04:37 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 04:08 Leon1das1 wrote:
Quick question, will a GTX 750ti stream League of Legends on very high settings at 60 fps or higher?


what kind of CPU do you have?

i5 4670k
我累了,我想去睡觉了
Fraggle
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway105 Posts
June 19 2014 23:48 GMT
#6487
After years of waiting to get a new computer I have finally decided to go for the devil's canyon that are getting released soon. I am planning to use this build for gaming but just general use as well, along with some,minor audio/video editing possibly some streaming.

I have searched a bit around and come up with a preliminary build but would like to hear your feedback on it.
I am planning to use my ssd,hd's, and gpu from my old computer I already own a case i want to use aswell.
Part List

New parts
Motherboard: Asus ROG Maximus VII Hero
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790k
Cooler: CM Hyper 212 Evo
RAM: Kingston DDR3 HyperX Beast 8GB(2400mhz)
PSU: Cooler Master V650S, 650W


Old parts
Case: Fractal R4
GPU: Radeon HD 4890 (using my old gpu for now, planning to upgrade later)
SSD: Samsung 840 Pro
HD: 2x Western digital Caviar black 1tb
OS: Windows 7 64 bit

I am buying all my parts from Komplett (norwegian site)

The Ram is what I am wondering about the most;
1. I have read people saying that the intel chipset is designed for ram with voltage at 1.5 and using anything above that will void the warranty and shorten the life of your system, but reading a bit more it seems fine to use ram at 1.65v?

2. 1600 mhz vs 2400 mhz price difference seems negligble, is there any reason not to buy 2400 mhz if not for the price?

3. 8gb vs 16gb Will I see any performance difference if I go for 16gb of ram?


skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 19 2014 23:55 GMT
#6488
1. Running memory above 1.5v is fine. The only way that it will void warranty is if you use some ridiculous voltage like 1.8v and damage the IMC.

2. There is no reason to not buy 2400 MHz if you disregard the price.

3. This would depend on your usage. For gaming, there would be absolutely zero difference.

If you are buying high-end, you should buy high-end everything and not get a shitty Hyper 212 EVO. Instead, get a Noctua, Thermalright, or Phantek.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-20 00:12:46
June 20 2014 00:12 GMT
#6489
The motherboard you have on your list will not get you anything extra compared to much cheaper boards. Something for about two-thirds the price will have the same performance. Overclocking depends nearly completely on the luck you have with the particular CPU you end up with, and the expensive board does not help at all.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20324 Posts
June 20 2014 00:17 GMT
#6490
If you dont wanna pay premiums for performance (4790k, something like a silver arrow or 2x fan width clc) then use a 4670k and a ~true spirit 140 power edition IMO.

4790k is only like 15% faster for video encoding etc, it's hard to make it relevant for almost any game or streaming scenario. but it costs quite a lot extra and you have to account for the 10c added temperatures when it's using that extra performance in highly threaded workloads
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20324 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-20 00:30:11
June 20 2014 00:21 GMT
#6491
On June 20 2014 09:12 Ropid wrote:
The motherboard you have on your list will not get you anything extra compared to much cheaper boards. Something for about two-thirds the price will have the same performance. Overclocking depends nearly completely on the luck you have with the particular CPU you end up with, and the expensive board does not help at all.


Unlike with z87, a lot of the cheaper boards are not really ideally suited for running 1.35-1.45v level overclocks. The z97-k, z97-a and maximus VII ranger are all 4-phase boards, a lot of the z97 boards cost significantly more than the "entry level" z87 boards while being worse on the VRM side under the hood. I don't know how much it affects stuff on the atx boards, but i've heard bad things about some of the asrock? z87M boards cutting 200-300mhz from OC, and/or requiring significantly higher input voltages than other boards. If you want to run 1.25v it's probably fine, 1.35-1.45 then maybe not. Honestly pretty much the same thing as Ivy Bridge.

There's almost no reviews for this kind of thing, because it seems like all of the review sites are too lazy to learn how to do anything more than adjust vcore and core multiplier and hope for the best, blaming luck or silicon quality if it doesn't work, so there is little documentation putting boards apart, but from what i've seen of running a Haswell chip on z97 (not broadwell) then it seems like the M VII Hero isn't really a bad choice if you're looking to max out OC's. If you're not, there's money to be saved. It's hard to get a good board below that price point and asus has some nice options, as well as some controls that gigabyte lacks, such as disabling HPET or being able to run an uncore speed other than 8x-40x (configurable) without locking it in place with a static voltage 24/7
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
June 20 2014 03:19 GMT
#6492
On June 19 2014 03:26 skyR wrote:
I believe both the EVGA Super Nova G2 and Coolermaster V are both far better than the RM550 and RM650. I think the RM750 and RM850 are a bit better but RM series as a whole is not that good compared to the competition.

Can I just ask why on this point? Not that I'm locked to corsair rm when it comes to the PSU, just wondering. (And it don't have to be a fully modular PSU either, just nice if it was doable)

Coolermaster V550s is not listed on their website though.
EZ4ENCE
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 20 2014 03:35 GMT
#6493
Both the Seasonic and Super Flower platform used in the Coolermaster V and EVGA Super Nova G2 respectively are better than the CWT / Chicony platforms used in Corsair RM series. Plus both power supplies use 100% Japanese caps whereas the Corsair RM does not.

EVGA also has a 10 year warranty whereas Coolermaster V and Corsair RM has 5.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
June 20 2014 03:43 GMT
#6494
On June 20 2014 12:35 skyR wrote:
Both the Seasonic and Super Flower platform used in the Coolermaster V and EVGA Super Nova G2 respectively are better than the CWT / Chicony platforms used in Corsair RM series. Plus both power supplies use 100% Japanese caps whereas the Corsair RM does not.

EVGA also has a 10 year warranty whereas Coolermaster V and Corsair RM has 5.

Ok. The thing about those EVGA PSUs is that the least wattage is 750, which seems a tad to much compared to my needs.
EZ4ENCE
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 20 2014 04:07 GMT
#6495
XFX XTR and Superflower Leadex are two other options.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-20 04:29:22
June 20 2014 04:28 GMT
#6496
Oh, and with regards to the Mobo discussion above, the Hero also comes with 2 more SATA ports as well as one more case-fan connector over the Ranger.
EZ4ENCE
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
June 20 2014 06:51 GMT
#6497
My PSU goes "tong" when I turn off the computer. Is that normal?
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-20 07:10:55
June 20 2014 07:05 GMT
#6498
I almost entirely disregard reviews when looking at motherboard overclocking because it seems that people on forums like oc.net know how to do it better than reviewers do.

Phase count is important when considering which motherboard to get, which is why I like the GA-Z97X-Gaming 5. It's the cheapest board I could find with a phase count of 8. Not sure what 6 gets you but I'm guessing that you'll come closer to the motherboard's limits than you'd ideally want to with 6 phases?

http://cdn.overclock.net/e/ef/900x900px-LL-ef2b19d5_1.png

Though the GA-Z97X-G5 is still a bit more expensive than a good Z87X board from "before". Cyro had a better list than the one I posted in terms of VRMs and phase count. Can't find it, though it was good since it compared Z97 to Z87.

E: google actually led me back to cyro's post, lawl

http://sinhardware.com/images/vrmlist.png

E: so yeah the GA-Z87X-D3H has a phase count of 8 and it's a bit cheaper than the G5. Though you get a 4670k instead of a 4970k. Honestly, I haven't seen enough evidence personally that makes an overclocked 4970k better than a 4670k, the stock clocks are higher yes but that's mostly it? Hard to justify an extra €20 on the G5's cost over the D3H. Then again, haven't seen what Devil's canyon can really do yet since no one on forums have gotten their hands on one yet afaik.
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20324 Posts
June 20 2014 07:40 GMT
#6499
On June 20 2014 16:05 Incognoto wrote:
I almost entirely disregard reviews when looking at motherboard overclocking because it seems that people on forums like oc.net know how to do it better than reviewers do.

Phase count is important when considering which motherboard to get, which is why I like the GA-Z97X-Gaming 5. It's the cheapest board I could find with a phase count of 8. Not sure what 6 gets you but I'm guessing that you'll come closer to the motherboard's limits than you'd ideally want to with 6 phases?

http://cdn.overclock.net/e/ef/900x900px-LL-ef2b19d5_1.png

Though the GA-Z97X-G5 is still a bit more expensive than a good Z87X board from "before". Cyro had a better list than the one I posted in terms of VRMs and phase count. Can't find it, though it was good since it compared Z97 to Z87.

E: google actually led me back to cyro's post, lawl

http://sinhardware.com/images/vrmlist.png

E: so yeah the GA-Z87X-D3H has a phase count of 8 and it's a bit cheaper than the G5. Though you get a 4670k instead of a 4970k. Honestly, I haven't seen enough evidence personally that makes an overclocked 4970k better than a 4670k, the stock clocks are higher yes but that's mostly it? Hard to justify an extra €20 on the G5's cost over the D3H. Then again, haven't seen what Devil's canyon can really do yet since no one on forums have gotten their hands on one yet afaik.


They're not released yet. It's worth over 4670k without delid, but low end z97 not being good is annoying
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
June 20 2014 09:36 GMT
#6500
I want a motherboard z97 that is:
Good with the 4970k at stock and good if i wanna overclock it further, I will overclock it to max 4500.

That has the "new" gaming feature. It makes the ping better~

That can control the case fans, set them either by Volt 5,7, 9, 12~~ or set it rpm or w.e its called(forgot name now).

price: $150-300
Anyone can guide me here?


Is the mboard case fan controller better than lets say
NZXT SENTRY LXE Aluminum External fancontroller?
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