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Hyren
United States817 Posts
1. Right now I just have a macbook for school, what do I need for antivirus edit: on a pc? Do I need to purchase something or is Microsoft Security Essentials adequate? 2. Nothing else considered, would I get better performance out of an Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core w/ a Radeon R9 270 2gb graphics card or a AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core w/ a Radeon R7 265 2GB card? | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
On June 18 2014 12:10 Craton wrote: Well from a quick Google search, MSE does not have a Mac version (which should come as no surprise since it's made by Microsoft), so that wouldn't cover you. I should have specified better, I mean right now I just have a Macbook so i'm unfamiliar with Windows security. I will run windows on my pc. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
For emulating I'm not really sure. I'm inclined to say you'd want an anti-virus running inside the VM to protect the windows side of things, but a virus probably wouldn't be able to get out of its sandbox into the mac. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I definitely recommend looking at the GTX 750. It draws very little power compared to the performance it gives and Nvidia drivers are very CPU-friendly. These two characteristics make the GTX 750 a great card to put into prebuilts, even old ones. It means you can use questionable PSUs like the ones you find in prebuilts without too much problem. Not sure if the GTX 750 can handle ultra settings though. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
On June 18 2014 12:08 Hyren wrote: Looking at building my first PC. Couple questions: 1. Right now I just have a macbook for school, what do I need for antivirus edit: on a pc? Do I need to purchase something or is Microsoft Security Essentials adequate? 2. Nothing else considered, would I get better performance out of an Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core w/ a Radeon R9 270 2gb graphics card or a AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core w/ a Radeon R7 265 2GB card? I'd take the fx6300, but what games do you want to run well? | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
I'm wondering if 550W will do in this build, or if I should go 650W if I want to OC? Motherboard: Asus ROG Maximus VII Ranger CPU: Intel Core i7-4790k CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2x8GB) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 512 GB HDD: WD Black 4TB Graphics card: ASUS GeForce GTX780 Ti DirectCU II OC Case: Corsair Obsidian 750D PSU: Corsair RM ???W Operating system: Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-bit OEM Questionnaire and such + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? Around 20 000 SEK excluding the HDD What is your monitor's native resolution? 2560x1440@60Hz What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? All sorts of games, all sorts of genres. Civilization, CSGO, Dota2, Europa Universalis 4, Euro Truck Simulator 2 , Kerbal Space Program , Starbound, Street Fighter and much more. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Developing games with Unity and/or Unreal Engine. Writing code with Visual Studio. Studying, reading stuff, writing documents. Usual everyday stuff. Also want to be able to stream with it. Do you intend to overclock? Yes (but not on Day1 so to say) Do you intend to do SLI? No Do you need an operating system? Yes, Windows 8.1 Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Air CPU cooler Nvidia graphics card Preferably Asus, Corsair, Samsung parts, as well as a fully modular PSU What country will you be buying your parts in? Sweden If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Webhallen Other information Yes I need all that storage I went with an entry-level ROG MoBo because of the aesthetics and because it comes with some functionality that could be relevant for game development for me | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
On June 19 2014 01:58 WindWolf wrote: So here is the build I’m considering buying later this summer. I’m aware that it might be a little early to post this, but I’m going to be busy with various things on and off until I can buy it so I’d rather post it now than forgetting it completely. I'm wondering if 550W will do in this build, or if I should go 650W if I want to OC? Motherboard: Asus ROG Maximus VII Ranger CPU: Intel Core i7-4790k CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2x8GB) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 512 GB HDD: WD Black 4TB Graphics card: ASUS GeForce GTX780 Ti DirectCU II OC Case: Corsair Obsidian 750D PSU: Corsair RM ???W Operating system: Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-bit OEM Questionnaire and such + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? Around 20 000 SEK excluding the HDD What is your monitor's native resolution? 2560x1440@60Hz What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? All sorts of games, all sorts of genres. Civilization, CSGO, Dota2, Europa Universalis 4, Euro Truck Simulator 2 , Kerbal Space Program , Starbound, Street Fighter and much more. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Developing games with Unity and/or Unreal Engine. Writing code with Visual Studio. Studying, reading stuff, writing documents. Usual everyday stuff. Also want to be able to stream with it. Do you intend to overclock? Yes (but not on Day1 so to say) Do you intend to do SLI? No Do you need an operating system? Yes, Windows 8.1 Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Air CPU cooler Nvidia graphics card Preferably Asus, Corsair, Samsung parts, as well as a fully modular PSU What country will you be buying your parts in? Sweden If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Webhallen Other information Yes I need all that storage I went with an entry-level ROG MoBo because of the aesthetics and because it comes with some functionality that could be relevant for game development for me 550 for oc with high end card, i don't remember if the corsair RM series is any good. The Maximus VII Ranger is a 4-phase board so you should opt for another one; perhaps the Maximus VII Gene or Hero for z97. Unlike many z87 boards (z87x-d3h) the VRM designs of the lower end z97's are underbuilt for aggressively overclocking Haswell, probably to just save money in general considering that Haswell supposedly uses like ~1.44x as much power as Broadwell (which the boards are meant for, mostly). I get the impression that you just want good+quality parts, so you could make that change; i'm not sure how much of a difference it would actually make, but maybe some. Double check your case choice for airflow if you want to OC well, it's quite important when you're running a GPU of that tier and trying to run high clocks on cpu and/or gpu. I don't know anything about the 750D or if it's good or not, just to emphasize this a little if you're not aware that it's a pretty big factor at this point, case choice and case fan choice+setup. Think about it in depth during your build, not afterwards | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On June 19 2014 02:28 Cyro wrote: 550 for oc with high end card, i don't remember if the corsair RM series is any good. The Maximus VII Ranger is a 4-phase board so you should opt for another one; perhaps the Maximus VII Gene or Hero for z97. Unlike many z87 boards (z87x-d3h) the VRM designs of the lower end z97's are underbuilt for aggressively overclocking Haswell, probably to just save money in general considering that Haswell supposedly uses like ~1.44x as much power as Broadwell (which the boards are meant for, mostly). I get the impression that you just want good+quality parts, so you could make that change; i'm not sure how much of a difference it would actually make, but maybe some. Double check your case choice for airflow if you want to OC well, it's quite important when you're running a GPU of that tier and trying to run high clocks on cpu and/or gpu. I don't know anything about the 750D or if it's good or not, just to emphasize this a little if you're not aware that it's a pretty big factor at this point, case choice and case fan choice+setup. Think about it in depth during your build, not afterwards Thanks for informing me about the Mobo difference. The Hero isn't too much more expansive over the Ranger (200 sek after doing a quick check), so I can go with the Hero. With regards to the bolded part, yes that's one of the things that I'm after. It'll be my first real computer that I'll own, and my current laptop has some occasional super-weird problems. So even if some parts are overkill when it comes to gaming, I'm buy them for non-gaming reasons. It's most likely the CPU that I'm going to overclock for performance reasons. And yes I'm going to double-check everything before ordering (or even consider another case altogether) | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
On June 19 2014 02:56 WindWolf wrote: Thanks for informing me about the Mobo difference. The Hero isn't too much more expansive over the Ranger (200 sek after doing a quick check), so I can go with the Hero. With regards to the bolded part, yes that's one of the things that I'm after. It'll be my first real computer that I'll own, and my current laptop has some occasional super-weird problems. So even if some parts are overkill when it comes to gaming, I'm buy them for non-gaming reasons. It's most likely the CPU that I'm going to overclock for performance reasons. And yes I'm going to double-check everything before ordering (or even consider another case altogether) GPU doesn't have that much OC headroom unless you're a more extreme overclocker, because 780ti's are held down by the power limit that you can't override without flashing a new bios, and even then they're quite hard to keep cool on air. You can get maybe like 1250mhz with some level of comfort CPU, 4790k has higher stock clocks than everything else Haswell. It's 4ghz guaranteed, 4.2ghz turbo on 4 cores when power limit allows and 4.4ghz turbo on 1 core when power limit allows. The power limit is more restrictive than any other desktop Haswell part by quite a big margin because of the higher clocks, but you can just set it to disregard that. With manual overclocking, "normal" is around 4.5ghz @1.3v or 4.6-4.7 when pushed hard, but it's hard to push i7 as hard as i5 or say pentium because it'll hit 80c when i5 is still at 70c because of the extra work that hyperthreading is doing makes your core temperatures hotter. You also get quite a lot of variance, some chips can only do 4.4ghz at 1.4v (maybe these are binned to not exist in 4790k's, but they existed for 4770k's in a worst case scenario) and some others can approach or hit 5ghz on 1.4v, but you can expect like 4.5-4.6 i think with a 4790k (with the new TIM) and an nh-d15 with normal room temps (say 15-25c) you really have to be selective about overclocking with Haswell though, there is a mind blowing amount of misinformation and people (especially review sites) who didn't even take Haswell 101, yet make extremely public statements about certain things that are downright wrong or confusing. I can help out with questions or OC process if you want, i'd rather do that then see people have horribly wrong information from such sites, or doing stuff like certain people do - only setting the core multiplier and leaving voltage on adaptive with every other setting auto. That stuff hurts me to read and it's pretty nice to help people with stuff that requires a certain level of knowledge but is not very difficult once you have that | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
On June 19 2014 03:26 skyR wrote: I believe both the EVGA Super Nova G2 and Coolermaster V are both far better than the RM550 and RM650. I think the RM750 and RM850 are a bit better but RM series as a whole is not that good compared to the competition. superflower gg hx too | ||
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Leon1das1
United States71 Posts
I am trying to stay around $1000 and I have found a microcenter me that is selling the i5 4670k for $190 so i am saving ~ $50. I am looking to play mainly Starcraft 2 and League of legends on close to maxed out. I also will be streaming league and maybe starcraft. My build: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Leon1das1/saved/G2c48d If you have any suggestions for me they would be appreciated. I debated going for the gtx 770 and going for a dirt cheap case, no sound card, and cheap wifi chip. However because League and Sc2 dont require super strong cards I decided not too. Thank you in advance. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
On June 19 2014 06:21 Leon1das1 wrote: Alright so I posted a build of mine a few weeks back and as it gets close to purchasing time I have made a few adjustments. I am trying to stay around $1000 and I have found a microcenter me that is selling the i5 4670k for $190 so i am saving ~ $50. I am looking to play mainly Starcraft 2 and League of legends on close to maxed out. I also will be streaming league and maybe starcraft. My build: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Leon1das1/saved/G2c48d If you have any suggestions for me they would be appreciated. I debated going for the gtx 770 and going for a dirt cheap case, no sound card, and cheap wifi chip. However because League and Sc2 dont require super strong cards I decided not too. Thank you in advance. You can get by with a 750ti for maxing those games if you want (league on max settings aside from shadows gives me like 40% gpu load at 400fps with a 770..) remember a 750ti is like a flagship GPU from 2010 in terms of performance. It sounds pretty terrible in todays lineup, but they really don't have trouble with league and sc2, two graphically light games that are CPU limited at their times of worst performance. 760/770 would be better for running other games, but if you get OC'd i5 and a 750ti, then you can always just get a mid to high tier GPU from next gen if you wanted to, it hurts less to replace a lower end GPU. you need a good CPU cooler, that thing looks terrible. I can never make sense of the US cpu cooler market though so no idea what to buy that's both affordable and not terrible. It's important to do that because if money is a big object to you, then you could even consider running a cheaper motherboard and that overclockable pentium CPU. It's not really worth going big for i5 + z87/z97 unless you're putting a solid overclock on it. Different PSU might be better because i've heard people complaining about those ones, but then again, people complain about anything in terms of PSU/mice etc that's not the absolute best | ||
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Leon1das1
United States71 Posts
On June 19 2014 06:36 Cyro wrote: You can get by with a 750ti for maxing those games if you want (league on max settings aside from shadows gives me like 40% gpu load at 400fps with a 770..) remember a 750ti is like a flagship GPU from 2010 in terms of performance. It sounds pretty terrible in todays lineup, but they really don't have trouble with league and sc2, two graphically light games that are CPU limited at their times of worst performance. 760/770 would be better for running other games, but if you get OC'd i5 and a 750ti, then you can always just get a mid to high tier GPU from next gen if you wanted to, it hurts less to replace a lower end GPU. you need a good CPU cooler, that thing looks terrible. I can never make sense of the US cpu cooler market though so no idea what to buy that's both affordable and not terrible. It's important to do that because if money is a big object to you, then you could even consider running a cheaper motherboard and that overclockable pentium CPU. It's not really worth going big for i5 + z87/z97 unless you're putting a solid overclock on it. Different PSU might be better because i've heard people complaining about those ones, but then again, people complain about anything in terms of PSU/mice etc that's not the absolute best What CPU cooler would you recommend? Also do you think streaming league on max settings (no shadows) would have good quality? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
I'd save $10-$20 and get a Corsair Carbide 400R instead of the 500R. Not sure why you have a sound card? I'd spend it on the core components of the system before spending it on something you can just add later. | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
The Parts of my new build arrived today, spent a few hours with reading the manuals and putting stuff together, however it came without thermal paste and the cooler master power supply seems to lack some cables, or rather, one to connect one of the 3 extra cables to the Rest and the other two are simply too short for the case, which is kinda sad. My sdd got delayed, so I'll have to work with my old hdd once I bought the thermal paste and some cables, but that's okay, the motherboard and the case didn't seem to be the most perfect pair, but I think it'll be fine, it's the first time I'm building a computer, so I feel like something will break, but I'll give my best. | ||
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Leon1das1
United States71 Posts
On June 19 2014 07:05 skyR wrote: Get a Thermalright True Spirit 140 or a Thermalright Macho if the True Spirit doesn't fit inside whichever case you end up selecting. I'd save $10-$20 and get a Corsair Carbide 400R instead of the 500R. Not sure why you have a sound card? I'd spend it on the core components of the system before spending it on something you can just add later. Ok that sounds good Thank you for the help! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On June 19 2014 07:19 SilentchiLL wrote: I'm back, still in my cell though. The Parts of my new build arrived today, spent a few hours with reading the manuals and putting stuff together, however it came without thermal paste and the cooler master power supply seems to lack some cables, or rather, one to connect one of the 3 extra cables to the Rest and the other two are simply too short for the case, which is kinda sad. My sdd got delayed, so I'll have to work with my old hdd once I bought the thermal paste and some cables, but that's okay, the motherboard and the case didn't seem to be the most perfect pair, but I think it'll be fine, it's the first time I'm building a computer, so I feel like something will break, but I'll give my best. This build? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21490618 Thermal paste comes pre-applied on Intel stock heatsinks. Which cables are we talking about, connecting to what? | ||
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
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