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Canada8159 Posts
On June 13 2014 09:06 Jer99 wrote:I've been fiddling around with some things, here's what i've come up with: + Show Spoiler +http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/xDF4Bm
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor $256.14
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler $32.50
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard $139.99
Memory: Kingston Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $84.99
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $79.99
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Dual Superclocked ACX Video Card $299.99
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case $58.02
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $109.99
Base Total: $1061.61
Mail-in Rebates: -$35.00
Shipping: $8.99
Total: $1035.60
Any feedback on this?
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United States7481 Posts
looks pretty good, although you could almost certainly save money with some cheaper ram that's still 1600c9/1.5v (shop around for this), and also on a rosewill capstone 450m instead of the evga PSU
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Canada8159 Posts
sounds good, i'll come back when i've updated the hardware
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United Kingdom20325 Posts
212 and hd3 are somewhat underpowered for pushing a 4670k. You can use both, but i wouldn't buy OC components to run a low OC, personally. If the last 200-300mhz is not important to you, then you can probably cut costs on both of those components like this. Running 1.35-1.4v is way harder than running 1.2-1.25v.
If you want a better z87 board, the z87x-d3h is very strong for its price point. In terms of coolers, the 212 was never chosen for its strength - it was usually used because it was "good enough" for the cooler running CPU's and often sold for $10-20 after rebate. This is maybe i7 920-950's which were stock 2.66-3.06ghz and could do like 3.8ghz if they were d0 stepping with a weak cooler like this, or 2500k's for example, which were easier to keep cool.
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Z87X-D3H is like $160+ now so definitely not worth it anymore unfortunately.
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I'm looking for an unclocked i5 for its vt-d feature since I use virtual machines. I understand that the CPU has to support vt-d, but does the motherboard have to as well? The reason I ask is because most of these motherboards don't mention vt-d, vpro, etc.
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Hi, so as I was scanning up newegg for my new PC I came across this keyboard. While I had not planned to buy one until later the price caught my eye. Here is the keyboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823239028&cm_re=steelseries_apex-_-23-239-028-_-Product
What made me question though is that it is refurbished. So I was wondering whether refurbished products sold have noticeable defects. I also wanted to ask if this is a good/decent keyboard for gaming/typing. I did not know whether to put this post here or in the mechanical keyboard thread ( its membrane ). Anyways thanks in advance.
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Also on update on my build. I've decided to let go on the NZXT Phantom as it did not have a 2.5" drivebay ( and a gtx 760 could not fit, I'd have to remove the cages ). Now I am getting this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811124156&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
Overall I'm happy with the change as it allows me to switch to a 256gb mx100 as this case is much cheaper ( I believe final price went from $1042 to $1028, so if opted for the 128gb ssd its be at $900+). Would also like to know if this case is good or not. Thanks in advance :D
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Phantom 001 is a full tower case, it supports video cards up to 14" in length and a GTX 760 is only like a measly 10" so not sure where you read that it can't support the card. The new case you have selected is smaller than the Phantom 001 fyi..
And it doesn't matter if the case doesn't have 2.5" drives. SSDs don't need to be mounted.
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My bad, I know that the phantom 630 is full tower and also that it fits my you it's just that I was looking at the phantom 410 while I was doing this which is mid tower and only supports 9". Still I'd like to know if this new case is good or not as it is cheaper and lets me opt in for a 256 ssd instead of 128
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What SSD would you recommend? Atm I have just a HDD but I'm thinking of combining it with an SSD for like windows
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Crucial MX100 or Samsung 840 EVO, whichever is less expensive.
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United Kingdom20325 Posts
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Wait, uh...
wow, I guess they do. I stand corrected. Back through i5-2500k, they didn't have it.
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I bought a Crucial MX100 256 GB this week. Here's how it behaves in AS SSD benchmark:
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Here's an old Samsung 840 250GB in the same PC:
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I don't know how many know this, but the Samsung TLC drives can produce pretty random write speed results. Its controller is perhaps very aggressive about trying to delay wiping memory cells. This Samsung drive here has a good amount of free space (about 80 GB) and TRIM is working, but it still does not want to use its full speed and is not the fastest it can be in that screenshot.
Here's old screenshots I could find as an example about the speed changing:
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I think I've also once seen something below 100 MB/s write speed in the sequential test, so that number can also drop very low, not just that 64 thread test result.
No idea if the MX100 will behave the same, but it could be better because of MLC? It will be used elsewhere and won't stay in this Windows here, so I won't be able to check how a benchmark will look like after a few terabytes of stuff have been written to it.
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On June 14 2014 15:17 thelackey wrote:Hi, so as I was scanning up newegg for my new PC I came across this keyboard. While I had not planned to buy one until later the price caught my eye. Here is the keyboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823239028&cm_re=steelseries_apex-_-23-239-028-_-Product What made me question though is that it is refurbished. So I was wondering whether refurbished products sold have noticeable defects. I also wanted to ask if this is a good/decent keyboard for gaming/typing. I did not know whether to put this post here or in the mechanical keyboard thread ( its membrane ). Anyways thanks in advance. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Also on update on my build. I've decided to let go on the NZXT Phantom as it did not have a 2.5" drivebay ( and a gtx 760 could not fit, I'd have to remove the cages ). Now I am getting this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811124156&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=Overall I'm happy with the change as it allows me to switch to a 256gb mx100 as this case is much cheaper ( I believe final price went from $1042 to $1028, so if opted for the 128gb ssd its be at $900+). Would also like to know if this case is good or not. Thanks in advance :D
I've purchased quite a few refurbished products without any issue. Worst case you can return it
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United Kingdom20325 Posts
Nvidia vs AMD directx 11 driver performance:
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just more data points against it, i won't be recommending such cards for partially/entirely cpu bound dx games under almost any situation now until they fix it
performance is terrible in wildstar for a lot of systems, and they almost all seem to be with an FX CPU (self explanatory, FX sucks unless the main game thread is split up very well) or an AMD GPU, while CPU bound. 2'nd-4'th gen core + nvidia is running like butter in comparison to anyone with either of those
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Canada8159 Posts
Updated again, here it is
+ Show Spoiler +http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/kLjRgs
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor $245.00
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler $84.99
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard $134.99 (-$20.00) $114.99
Memory: A-Data XPG V2 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $79.99
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $79.99
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card $374.99 (-$15.00) $359.99
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case $58.02
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply $84.05
Base Total: $1127.96
Mail-in Rebates: -$35.00
Shipping: $14.06
Total: $1107.02
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United Kingdom20325 Posts
I compared FPS in wildstar
Three test systems to verify, but main two here:
4670k@4ghz + r9 290
4770k @4.5ghz + gtx770 (game has one highly dominant thread)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ek06tk2.png)
^~140fps vs 180 (capped?)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WVxYJwR.png)
^60fps vs 88
140 vs 180fps = 28.5% lead
60 vs 88 = 46.67% lead
saw some over 1.5x too. With game set to ultra low render scale (540p?) as well, to stop being GPU bound. That's 60fps looking at an auction house with nothing going on, probably way less in raids. Safe to say that i think that i was right and wildstar is added to the list of games that are hurt really badly by AMD's poor directx driver efficiency. i3 +750ti could probably run in intense areas (cpu bound) faster than 4670k+OC + r9 290 crossfire :/
these are unacceptable margins that remove both FX and Radeon from consideration for anybody playing this game or several like it, and i would honestly expect better, and for there to be actual documentation of this kind of thing.
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On June 15 2014 09:25 Jer99 wrote:Updated again, here it is + Show Spoiler +http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/kLjRgs
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor $245.00
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler $84.99
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard $134.99 (-$20.00) $114.99
Memory: A-Data XPG V2 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $79.99
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $79.99
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card $374.99 (-$15.00) $359.99
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case $58.02
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply $84.05
Base Total: $1127.96
Mail-in Rebates: -$35.00
Shipping: $14.06
Total: $1107.02
I think it's better to go with a Noctua NH-U14S for ~$70 and a Fractal Design Define R4 for ~$70 / Corsair Carbide 300R for ~$65.
Rosewill Capstone 450 for $85... not worth it. EVGA SuperNova G2 700w is like $15 more (and basically same price or even less expensive after mail in rebate). XFX XTR 550 is also $90 but that's been out of stock forever.
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