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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 12 2014 21:44 GMT
#6321
On June 13 2014 06:30 Jer99 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2014 06:12 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 06:12 Leon1das1 wrote:
Alright thank you I know that I need a K processor but I guess I focused too hard on trying to find a mother board with wi-fi. I will make those changes, Thank you.


Oh i missed that part. For Wi-fi, you can just get a PCIe adapter or a USB adapter.


Can you recommend a good one? I have connection issues that i don't want when i upgrade


Sorry, not familiar with wi-fi.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 12 2014 21:55 GMT
#6322
On June 13 2014 06:43 Aocowns wrote:
Alright, so last minute check-in to see if I missed something or it doesn't fit

https://www.komplett.no/k/shoplist.aspx?mode=receive&si=1402351&su=111551E7-F8F3-4816-81F9-43013A757A0C

I take it mobo really isn't that important as long as you look at overclocking vs no overclocking and wi-fi and whatnot?
Decided on no OC

EDIT: Remove the k processor, obviously


H series boards can't run memory at speeds higher than 1600MHz so I'd get a less expensive 1600MHz kit unless that's the cheapest kit at that retailer.

Not sure about the B500, don't think it's that good?

Crucial MX100 is slightly less expensive and performs about the same as the Samsung 840 EVO so I'd consider that instead.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
June 12 2014 22:02 GMT
#6323
On June 13 2014 06:55 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 06:43 Aocowns wrote:
Alright, so last minute check-in to see if I missed something or it doesn't fit

https://www.komplett.no/k/shoplist.aspx?mode=receive&si=1402351&su=111551E7-F8F3-4816-81F9-43013A757A0C

I take it mobo really isn't that important as long as you look at overclocking vs no overclocking and wi-fi and whatnot?
Decided on no OC

EDIT: Remove the k processor, obviously


H series boards can't run memory at speeds higher than 1600MHz so I'd get a less expensive 1600MHz kit unless that's the cheapest kit at that retailer.

Not sure about the B500, don't think it's that good?

Crucial MX100 is slightly less expensive and performs about the same as the Samsung 840 EVO so I'd consider that instead.

Are there any PSUs in specific I should look out for?
and how is the performance on 2400hz vs 1600hz, if the budget isn't very strict would it be worth it to get another mobo just for the 2400hz ram?
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
June 12 2014 22:03 GMT
#6324
On June 13 2014 06:30 Jer99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 06:12 skyR wrote:
On June 13 2014 06:12 Leon1das1 wrote:
Alright thank you I know that I need a K processor but I guess I focused too hard on trying to find a mother board with wi-fi. I will make those changes, Thank you.


Oh i missed that part. For Wi-fi, you can just get a PCIe adapter or a USB adapter.


Can you recommend a good one? I have connection issues that i don't want when i upgrade


It's better to get a pcie or something external that's no on the mobo. I use a router with dd-wrt as an adapter, but amazon and newegg reviews are solid for finding good cheap adapters.
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
Leon1das1
Profile Joined June 2014
United States71 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-12 22:07:21
June 12 2014 22:06 GMT
#6325
我累了,我想去睡觉了
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 12 2014 22:13 GMT
#6326
On June 13 2014 07:02 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 06:55 skyR wrote:
On June 13 2014 06:43 Aocowns wrote:
Alright, so last minute check-in to see if I missed something or it doesn't fit

https://www.komplett.no/k/shoplist.aspx?mode=receive&si=1402351&su=111551E7-F8F3-4816-81F9-43013A757A0C

I take it mobo really isn't that important as long as you look at overclocking vs no overclocking and wi-fi and whatnot?
Decided on no OC

EDIT: Remove the k processor, obviously


H series boards can't run memory at speeds higher than 1600MHz so I'd get a less expensive 1600MHz kit unless that's the cheapest kit at that retailer.

Not sure about the B500, don't think it's that good?

Crucial MX100 is slightly less expensive and performs about the same as the Samsung 840 EVO so I'd consider that instead.

Are there any PSUs in specific I should look out for?
and how is the performance on 2400hz vs 1600hz, if the budget isn't very strict would it be worth it to get another mobo just for the 2400hz ram?


I don't think it's worth it unless you going to get a K suffix processor too and overclock.

I'd get a XFX 550 for not much more: https://www.komplett.no/xfx-proseries-core-edition-550w-psu/657685
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
June 12 2014 22:19 GMT
#6327
On June 13 2014 07:13 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 07:02 Aocowns wrote:
On June 13 2014 06:55 skyR wrote:
On June 13 2014 06:43 Aocowns wrote:
Alright, so last minute check-in to see if I missed something or it doesn't fit

https://www.komplett.no/k/shoplist.aspx?mode=receive&si=1402351&su=111551E7-F8F3-4816-81F9-43013A757A0C

I take it mobo really isn't that important as long as you look at overclocking vs no overclocking and wi-fi and whatnot?
Decided on no OC

EDIT: Remove the k processor, obviously


H series boards can't run memory at speeds higher than 1600MHz so I'd get a less expensive 1600MHz kit unless that's the cheapest kit at that retailer.

Not sure about the B500, don't think it's that good?

Crucial MX100 is slightly less expensive and performs about the same as the Samsung 840 EVO so I'd consider that instead.

Are there any PSUs in specific I should look out for?
and how is the performance on 2400hz vs 1600hz, if the budget isn't very strict would it be worth it to get another mobo just for the 2400hz ram?


I don't think it's worth it unless you going to get a K suffix processor too and overclock.

I'd get a XFX 550 for not much more: https://www.komplett.no/xfx-proseries-core-edition-550w-psu/657685

Okay thanks, and then one final question
He mentioned something about a compatibilty issue with the GPU size and the case?

Compatibility Notes
In order to fit, the XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card may require removing drive bays from the BitFenix Prodigy (Black) Mini ITX Tower Case. The case only supports video cards up to 177mm in length without removing drive bays, while the video card is 294mm long.

From pcpartpicker.com

wtf is this?
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 12 2014 22:23 GMT
#6328
You need to remove the top drive cage to fit the R9 280, so you would only be able to use the bottom drive cage (enough for SSD and HDD).

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B_Type13X2
Profile Joined October 2012
Canada122 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-12 23:53:17
June 12 2014 23:39 GMT
#6329
On June 13 2014 07:23 skyR wrote:
You need to remove the top drive cage to fit the R9 280, so you would only be able to use the bottom drive cage (enough for SSD and HDD).

[image loading]



I've never understood the purpose behind small cases unless space was at an absolute premium or you require a portable desktop environment and a laptop isn't an option for whatever reason. If you don't need it to be that small, I'd go with a midtower that way your not SOL when adding drives in the future. Then again adopting a NAS server at home is becoming more and more popular for private cloud storage across multiple devices. And then again again (sorry for the double..) if you factor in the size of a NAS server stacked ontop of your mini ITX case you've just increased its size to a midtower anyway thereby defeating the entire purpose behind buying something to be small in the first place.

Looking at general case size classifications: a Mini tower or mini ITX: 14-16inches (35-40cm) tall compared with a midtower 17-21 inches ( 43-53cm) tall. And a 4 harddrive NAS server is about 8-9 inches ( 20-21cm) tall.

Now I know what your going to say, "I don't think I'd need more storage then a SSD and a 4TB harddrive so I wont be bothered with having to get a NAS server or need a bigger case." Okay that's a fair statement today, tomorrow and a year or two from now. but hear me out on this, I didn't think I would fill up 2X 1TB harddrives, and have a 2tb drive half filled. But I did alot faster then I thought, because of High Definition movies and TV shows. 1080P eats up harddrive space at 1gb per tv show. Now 1440P and 4k are on the horizon; 1440p will likely be the standard 2 years from now. I shudder to think at my storage requirements going forward or anyone else s for that matter. Lucky for me I went fulltower so adding another harddrive is a minor inconvenience rather then an oh-**** situation. If your in a small case and are not actively carrying it with you to LAN's or tournaments this can come back to bite you. Hell even if your going to LAN's and or Tournaments a midtower is not that much bigger or bulkier.

In another off tangent, my new computer boasts 8TB of space and I am actually looking at a NAS server for everyone elses on my home networks storage.

*edit sorry for the page stretch must have accidentally held my enter key*
Half the fun of the internet is untwisting the 20 layers of BS around everything
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8160 Posts
June 13 2014 00:06 GMT
#6330
I've been fiddling around with some things, here's what i've come up with:

+ Show Spoiler +
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/xDF4Bm

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor $256.14

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler $32.50

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-HD3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard $139.99

Memory: Kingston Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $84.99

Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $79.99

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Dual Superclocked ACX Video Card $299.99

Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case $58.02

Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $109.99

Base Total: $1061.61
Mail-in Rebates: -$35.00
Shipping: $8.99
Total: $1035.60


I have a GT630 in my PC right now, and from what I understand SLI can use multiple GPUs together, would it be worth it to do that?
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
June 13 2014 00:38 GMT
#6331
No. SLI has to be identical GPUs, and two 630s would not be very good.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-13 02:09:52
June 13 2014 01:56 GMT
#6332
On June 13 2014 08:39 B_Type13X2 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I've never understood the purpose behind small cases unless space was at an absolute premium or you require a portable desktop environment and a laptop isn't an option for whatever reason. If you don't need it to be that small, I'd go with a midtower that way your not SOL when adding drives in the future. Then again adopting a NAS server at home is becoming more and more popular for private cloud storage across multiple devices. And then again again (sorry for the double..) if you factor in the size of a NAS server stacked ontop of your mini ITX case you've just increased its size to a midtower anyway thereby defeating the entire purpose behind buying something to be small in the first place.

Looking at general case size classifications: a Mini tower or mini ITX: 14-16inches (35-40cm) tall compared with a midtower 17-21 inches ( 43-53cm) tall. And a 4 harddrive NAS server is about 8-9 inches ( 20-21cm) tall.

Now I know what your going to say, "I don't think I'd need more storage then a SSD and a 4TB harddrive so I wont be bothered with having to get a NAS server or need a bigger case." Okay that's a fair statement today, tomorrow and a year or two from now. but hear me out on this, I didn't think I would fill up 2X 1TB harddrives, and have a 2tb drive half filled. But I did alot faster then I thought, because of High Definition movies and TV shows. 1080P eats up harddrive space at 1gb per tv show. Now 1440P and 4k are on the horizon; 1440p will likely be the standard 2 years from now. I shudder to think at my storage requirements going forward or anyone else s for that matter. Lucky for me I went fulltower so adding another harddrive is a minor inconvenience rather then an oh-**** situation. If your in a small case and are not actively carrying it with you to LAN's or tournaments this can come back to bite you. Hell even if your going to LAN's and or Tournaments a midtower is not that much bigger or bulkier.

In another off tangent, my new computer boasts 8TB of space and I am actually looking at a NAS server for everyone elses on my home networks storage.

*edit sorry for the page stretch must have accidentally held my enter key*


1440p will never be standard because it is not a broadcast standard. It will be decades before 4k becomes standard since networks don't even broadcast 1080p yet.

Not sure what you download but the usual 1080p rips are closer to 4GB per 41 minute episode and 720p is just a bit above 1GB. A lot more people download SD and 720p than 1080p, we're talking about like a 20:1 ratio. But i think the masses stream anyways.
autoexec
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States530 Posts
June 13 2014 02:02 GMT
#6333
Does anyone know of a keyboard that has keys that are backlit instead of having the key's value printed onto the keyboard so it makes having different language keyboards easier to use by displaying what the keys are?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 13 2014 02:05 GMT
#6334
On June 13 2014 11:02 autoexec wrote:
Does anyone know of a keyboard that has keys that are backlit instead of having the key's value printed onto the keyboard so it makes having different language keyboards easier to use by displaying what the keys are?


Optimus Maximus.. costs like $2000.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
June 13 2014 02:07 GMT
#6335
I think you basically need e.g. LED screens for every key to accomplish that, so I doubt there's a non-expensive way to achieve it.
twitch.tv/cratonz
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
June 13 2014 02:16 GMT
#6336
If you're not using the same keyboard to constantly switch languages, you ought to just be able to get custom keycaps?
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
autoexec
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States530 Posts
June 13 2014 02:20 GMT
#6337
Any other option that is more appealing than putting those stickers on my keys to show what the key stands for in the other language? And yes, I do switch back and forth on the same keyboard
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
June 13 2014 02:34 GMT
#6338
Switch between keyboards then? Or go for a keyboard (or keycaps) with all the info you need?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
June 13 2014 02:54 GMT
#6339
If you only use two languages, they do make keycaps that have each language's character(s) on the relevant keys.
twitch.tv/cratonz
thelackey
Profile Joined June 2014
United States8 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-13 04:17:39
June 13 2014 04:09 GMT
#6340
Hi all, I've never built a PC before but am looking to build a new one.



What is your budget?
Ideally around $800-900, I would not like to go over $1000, but if I have to I will. ( Do I need an SSD? If all it does is improve load times I can wait for those )

What is your monitor's native resolution?
I have/will get a 1920x1080 monitor ( I have one, but will buy a new one in the future )

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
SC2 - highest possible
LoL - highest possible
These are the 2 games I mainly play but I might get watch dogs ( well it actually comes with the 760 ), but I heard that WD is poorly optimized for PC so I won't have the highest expectation for that. I do play BF3 every now and then and would like for it to run ultra smoothly.


What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Will be mainly used for gaming, streaming, and schoolwork too.


Do you intend to overclock?
Don't know much about this. CPU- not really GPU-maybe


Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
2 way SLI in the future just one video card for now

Do you need an operating system?
Yes

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Yes, keyboard, mouse, and monitor but I am getting these in the future.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Nothing really, as long as their reliable, have good reviews, and good customer support.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
United States

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Nothing really, as long as their reliable, have good reviews, and good customer support.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

Before writing this post I tried to experiment with 2 builds, using the sample builds as a starting point.
1) http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RDvbCJ
2) http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vqfhmG
However, the motherboard on this list does not support SLI and since I'm new on this subject I was wondering what motherboard I should get. Also, build 1 strays farther from the build than build 2, for example I opt in for the NZXT, which I like the look of more so I'd like to know if its ok to switch to the NZXT or stick with the Corsair.Feel free to change anything on this list and reply. The cheaper and more cost-efficient the better (Really if some of the things on the lists are overkill switch it because the less I spend the happier my pocket I'll be).

EDIT: BTW I don't know much about cases but I like having a side panel window and such, so far I like the NZXT Phant, but if you have other recommendations feel free to tell me ( just change the list and link it ), I just ask that it'll fit my stuff and future upgrades ( I plan to buy another GPU for SLI in the future )

EDIT: Also I plan to get windows 8.1 but I've heard there's problems with SLI on that? Should I stick with 7?
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