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That screen you linked was to much a gaming screen.
If the screen cost around $700 i want it be good at everything pretty much. All-around i guess?
I take it IPS is important for professional use. It has better colours and shit.
Maybe i dont need 120hz+ but i hear its really awesome. Not sure what to do.
Korean screen is a no.
Just found that screen btw on the site iam buying my parts from.
Price: $570~ Was recently lowered by around $100
Note that its in sweden so its usually 25% more expensive to buy parts here(i am pretty sure).
Its still a no tho.
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The g3258 @ 4.50 GHz looks pretty damn impressive. It's only $75 and performs similarly to an i3-4330 which is $126 right now.
The problem is that it's not really, for some loads. Firstly it's reliant on like a $30 heatsink, and secondly it's definitely a trade off because losing both hyperthreading and AVX+AVX2 would make stuff like video encoding performance suck
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On June 11 2014 16:39 Foxxan wrote:
I take it IPS is important for professional use. It has better colours and shit.
Maybe i dont need 120hz+ but i hear its really awesome. Not sure what to do.
I've played a little bit of CSGO on a 120+Hz monitor. While there is a difference from 60Hz, it is not as radical as the difference between 30 and 60 IMO
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On June 11 2014 19:05 WindWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 16:39 Foxxan wrote:
I take it IPS is important for professional use. It has better colours and shit.
Maybe i dont need 120hz+ but i hear its really awesome. Not sure what to do. I've played a little bit of CSGO on a 120+Hz monitor. While there is a difference from 60Hz, it is not as radical as the difference between 30 and 60 IMO
In terms of smoothness? You could have that opinion, depends on your tolerance for it. 144 to 60 seems bigger to me than 60 to 30, though, in terms of latency and in terms of smoothness. Go try playing a game at fps_max 25 on your 60hz monitor and see how it feels in terms of mouse responsiveness, and then you'll see how people using 144hz feel when they go to 60hz @fps_max 60.
The biggest thing for 144hz is input latency. You can get extremely low input latency on a clean 144hz setup.
Not half the input latency, but lower than 2/3'rds, AFAIK, over the best 60hz setups.
Main selling points of high refresh rate monitors ATM, in my opinion:
1; Input latency
2-3; Gsync and ULMB/strobing, depends which you value more
4; Smoothness
The image looks smoother, like watching a 60fps movie instead of a 24-25fps movie - but honestly that's what i care about the least. The mouse to screen latency made biggest difference to me in gameplay, comfort and in general feeling like mouse is a part of your hand, instead of a tool that you are fighting with. Gsync/ULMB are quite important, and the smoothness is a bonus.
I will note though, that you can somewhat easily completely screw up input lag on either or both setups, so there's no use comparing 15ms to 25ms if both of them have 40ms of input lag because your settings are broken. In terms of input latency, single GPU, minimal frame buffering ~170fps+ is the way to go on 144hz.
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My three new fans arrived today and then I realised that I didn't have anything to plug them into. Whoops. I blame Cyro for not mentioning it.
So I have a total of four fans (excluding CPU fan) and one sys_fan connector on my mobo. While discussing options, I found this: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/45cm-akasa-flexa-fp5-pwm-5-fan-splitter-black-braided-cable-powered-via-4-pin-molex
Is a 5 way splitter (with only 4 fans connected) on a single mobo connector a good idea, or should I just look for molex adapters for the PSU instead? My mobo is the Gigabyte GA-B85M-D2V.
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That 5 way splitter you linked has the molex connector which should allow you to use all those fans on a single system fan socket. You can support apparently 5 fans on that thing. The motherboard will control the fans and the fans will be powered from the molex connector afaik. It should work out just fine with what you linked.
It's a bit strange a GTX 760 would run so hot though. I have a 7970 in a Core 1000 which is inferior to a Shinobi yet I can only get to 75°C if I push it while crypto-mining, which I don't do anymore. It would be a fairly safe bet to say that a 7970 produces more heat than a 760.
The again, even editors seem to say that the Shinobi as a case probably needs a bit more fans: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4460/bitfenix-shinobi-the-budget-ninja/7
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What fans did you buy? 3-pin? 4-pin PWM? Did they come with accessories to limit their max speed?
I downloaded the manual for revision 1.1 of your board (didn't look at revision 2.0's manual). There's two tables about CPU and case fan headers somewhere. The way I understand the SYS_FAN table, it will control a fan through voltage. It has four pins, but the fourth pin is not used, and it will not send a PWM signal. This means you can't use that Akasa PWM splitter product you linked to. PWM fans would run at 100% when using it.
I'd probably use simple Y-cables if I were you. I'd connect two fans to SYS_FAN and two fans to CPU_FAN. You can also try to connect more than two fans to SYS_FAN. It should be able to do roughly 1 A current before something on the board exploding, though that's only a rule of thumb I heard about. [EDIT: looked again, and I don't think CPU_FAN can be switched over to voltage control, which means you'd only want PWM fans connected to it, no 3-pin fans.]
There's very simple fan control products that are screwed into the back of the case in one expansion card slot. You then end up with a knob to control fan speeds manually. That way you can use power from the PSU without having to run the fans at 100%.
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Why would they put a 4 pin system fan header if it's not for PWM? That has me confused..
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Because life is not fair. 
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It's a bit strange a GTX 760 would run so hot though.
He only has a single, lowish RPM exhaust fan, that's nowhere near the GPU. That's why we're installing three more now and probably removing the pci-e slot covers
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Hmm, so it has a resistor cable and that will limit it to about 1000 RPM? That might be fine for a lot of people and you can then buy whatever you want, including something to connect some of the fans to the PSU instead of SYS_FAN. There's nothing about the current the fan pulls on 12V on the Zalman site, but connecting two of them to SYS_FAN should be okay.
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From my (uneducated) point of view I'm not sure I have a problem with plugging in the three fans into the PSU with one of these and having them run at 100% all the time. These fans are said to be rather quiet and I use headphones all the time anyway. It also seems to be the simplest solution.
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one of those seems awfully expensive for £5. find smt cheaper maybe? I got a 2 way pwm splitter for way cheaper than that afaik
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I found out that the ZM-F3-FDB uses 0.2A. I guess y-cables would be safe unless I misunderstood something somewhere.
I also found reports that the fan is super quiet when running at reduced speed, so using the PSU should also be totally fine as you have those resistor cables to fix issues with noise.
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Oh, I thought they were going to be run via the resistor cables without fan speed control (12V into the resistor cable). That's nominally 1000 rpm, which matches the Spectre already in there.
Also I was assuming an ATX board because an ATX case, one with enough headers already (and I was thinking two like I mentioned and not three). x_x
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mATX & cable splitters is still cheaper than H87!
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On June 11 2014 17:48 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +The g3258 @ 4.50 GHz looks pretty damn impressive. It's only $75 and performs similarly to an i3-4330 which is $126 right now. The problem is that it's not really, for some loads. Firstly it's reliant on like a $30 heatsink, and secondly it's definitely a trade off because losing both hyperthreading and AVX+AVX2 would make stuff like video encoding performance suck
It would get smashed for video encoding, but the only video encoding I do now is simple stuff for yt vids that my current cpu can handle. It's only going to be for sc2 on low settings. I'm waiting until release date to be sure of the benchmarks for cpu intensive games, but otherwise this looks perfect for me.
I want to like amd because it works well for other things at this price point, but the sc2 benchmarks scare me even though some ppl have said they get higher fps than the benches.
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On June 12 2014 04:43 guitarizt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 17:48 Cyro wrote:The g3258 @ 4.50 GHz looks pretty damn impressive. It's only $75 and performs similarly to an i3-4330 which is $126 right now. The problem is that it's not really, for some loads. Firstly it's reliant on like a $30 heatsink, and secondly it's definitely a trade off because losing both hyperthreading and AVX+AVX2 would make stuff like video encoding performance suck It would get smashed for video encoding, but the only video encoding I do now is simple stuff for yt vids that my current cpu can handle. It's only going to be for sc2 on low settings. I'm waiting until release date to be sure of the benchmarks for cpu intensive games, but otherwise this looks perfect for me. I want to like amd because it works well for other things at this price point, but the sc2 benchmarks scare me even though some ppl have said they get higher fps than the benches.
Benchmarks are not mainly for telling you how much FPS you will usually get, especially when done in a stress-testy way
They're for telling you how one product (a CPU or GPU) compares to another. If one CPU gets 30fps in certain situation and another gets 45, then you bench again somewhere else and get 90fps vs 135, it's pretty obvious what's going on
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On June 12 2014 04:46 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2014 04:43 guitarizt wrote:On June 11 2014 17:48 Cyro wrote:The g3258 @ 4.50 GHz looks pretty damn impressive. It's only $75 and performs similarly to an i3-4330 which is $126 right now. The problem is that it's not really, for some loads. Firstly it's reliant on like a $30 heatsink, and secondly it's definitely a trade off because losing both hyperthreading and AVX+AVX2 would make stuff like video encoding performance suck It would get smashed for video encoding, but the only video encoding I do now is simple stuff for yt vids that my current cpu can handle. It's only going to be for sc2 on low settings. I'm waiting until release date to be sure of the benchmarks for cpu intensive games, but otherwise this looks perfect for me. I want to like amd because it works well for other things at this price point, but the sc2 benchmarks scare me even though some ppl have said they get higher fps than the benches. Benchmarks are not mainly for telling you how much FPS you will usually get, especially when done in a stress-testy way They're for telling you how one product (a CPU or GPU) compares to another. If one CPU gets 30fps in certain situation and another gets 45, then you bench again somewhere else and get 90fps vs 135, it's pretty obvious what's going on
But I'm basically interested in sc2 benches or something similar so it'll be apples to apples. It'll be fast enough to do anything else I do which is basically just aok, aoe hd, and d3.
This came out which is awesome since the g3258 is being oc'ed with the stock cooler:
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/unlocked/intel-pentium-g3258-gaming-benchmarks-idnum299/
The only thing that I hated was you needed a z97 mobo ($150+) to oc it to that level, but then I found this ($100ish):
http://www.techpowerup.com/201662/asrock-celebrates-intel-pentium-anniversary-with-special-motherboards.html
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Finally! I just bought a used g3220 off ebay for $48 from a guy with 3200+ 100% feedbacks which is insane. I'll risk the $10 price diff off retail since the cpu should work well over 80% of the time. I'm going to get a cheap gigabyte GA-H61M-S1 mobo for $38 and that 4gb ram I linked earlier for $37 for a grand total of $128 - $5 amazon promo I had = $123. Thanks for all the help! Now I can stop spamming the thread.
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