EPTin UK alone i've seen 750ti below £100, and i just checked quickly to see very few 265 models, and where they were there, around 10% more expensive
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
in UK alone i've seen 750ti below £100, and i just checked quickly to see very few 265 models, and where they were there, around 10% more expensive | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
What are my options? I am thinking using my desktop and just share an internal/external hard drive on the network. Thanks! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
amd stock coolers suck the dick | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3vQz2 Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3vQz2/by_merchant/ Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3vQz2/benchmarks/ CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($72.99 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($224.99 @ Micro Center) Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($62.08 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg) Total: $750.02 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-21 16:38 EDT-0400) When it was all said and done my build came to 790ish with shipping&handling(even with free shipping from amazon)+ taxes on some parts. So I went over my budget by 90 dollars or so but I think I will be happy with my build. I know my motherboard/power supply doesn't leave room for overclocking or many upgrades if any at all lol but I am okay with that for now. When I start to save up more money in the future I figured I can always go back and replace parts that I want to upgrade since my CPU/GPU are pretty good. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
You also have a slight issue. Most (EVGA included) GTX 760 requires a 6pin and 6+2pin PCIe connector and the CX430 only comes with a single 6pin PCIe connector. CX430 being a low-end unit also only comes with three molex connectors. EVGA provides you with 2x6pin PCIe to 1x8pin PCIe adapter and 2xMolex to 1x6pin PCIe adapter so you will only have a second 6pin PCIe connector with the adapters and not an 8pin. I think you can plug the 6pin into the 8pin and it'll work but you'll be limited to some degree? Or it may not work at all... who knows. Adapters.. just a headache. Should have cheaped out on the case or something else before the power supply or got the EVGA 500B which is similarly priced and similar quality but more connectors. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
I don't think you actually >need< 8+6 pin to run a 160w card. I mean.. 295x2 is 500w TDP and runs from 8+8 pin and the pci-e slot. As for power and overclocking, you can't actually OC that cpu+mobo (as said) and it's very difficult to overclock most gk104 gpu's, because only a few models (which usually require hacky tools) let you set over 1.212v, and the stock voltage is 1.2v. You can basically just adjust clocks a little. Power usage at max stable performance w/ a 4670 and a 760 would be well below 80% load on a cx430 at peak draw, not even close for entire system really, so that's not a concern | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
On April 22 2014 07:03 Cyro wrote: But tons of people build w/ cx430's, especially when they're $20 AR I don't think you actually >need< 8+6 pin to run a 160w card. I mean.. 295x2 is 500w TDP and runs from 8+8 pin and the pci-e slot. As for power and overclocking, you can't actually OC that cpu+mobo (as said) and it's very difficult to overclock most gk104 gpu's, because only a few models (which usually require hacky tools) let you set over 1.212v, and the stock voltage is 1.2v. You can basically just adjust clocks a little. Power usage at max stable performance w/ a 4670 and a 760 would be well below 80% load on a cx430 at peak draw, not even close for entire system really, so that's not a concern Cool, yea tbh overclocking with this build isn't a big concern for me. I feel like it'll run more than everything I want for the next couple years at stock settings even if it dips to medium settings in the years to come. When I'm out of school and have a job I will eventually be able to invest in a more expensive/proper build. Also in regards to the case I wanted something that was a very solid case (looks aside) that could handle ATX and Micro ATX motherboards incase I ever move up from a Micro ATX to an ATX in the future. So I saw the case as an investment that would allow me the proper room to swap out parts in the future or to reuse the case for a future build. I looked into Micro ATX cases but felt very restricted by it. So also I should be fine with the GPU and power supply or do I need to make immediate fixes to my build ? | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
On April 22 2014 07:23 Ropid wrote: There's not really a problem if you can get it to work with combining those adapters you'll find in the GPU's box with the 4-pin Molex connectors from the CX430. That EVGA 500B alternative is neat because it isn't worse and same price and has all connectors. It would also be strong enough for any GPU you might ever want to buy for this PC. If you can still change to it, I'd personally do it even if it means waiting another week or whatever Okay since I'm a bit panicked lol I'm going to try to cancel the CX430 and get the EVGA 500B. I placed the order on amazon roughly 4 hours ago so hopefully I can get the cancellation put through and then if it's approved I'll get the EVGA 500B. However, if that fails I maybe back in the thread to ask for help setting up the CX430 EDIT/Update: I was able to cancel the CX430 and now I'm going to order the EVGA 500B ? EDIT/Update #2: Just placed the order for the EVGA 500B so hopefully everything will work out. | ||
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wOotKR
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Current build: AMD Phenom II 965 OC @ 4x 3,7 ghz ASRock 870 Extreme 3 8GB Ram ( Noname manufracturers) Gigabyte AMD Radeon 7870 OC Kingston SSD 128GB PSU BeQuiet 530 W So I'm thinking bottleneck is caused by CPU, so I would have to upgrade the CPU and MB. I was thinking i5 4670k or i7 4770k , but having the budget in mind i would tend to buy the i5 and overclock it later if needed ( Cooler recommondations welcome, currently I'm using Skythe Katana 3 but i don't want the trouble to make that fit on a 1150 Socket). Also looking to buy brand DDR3 RAM, maybe Kingston HyperX or Corsair Vengeance? Which Motherboard is decent for that build? | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On April 22 2014 19:54 wOotKR wrote: I wanna upgrade several components of my computer , in order to play on high / ultra with reasonable fps in team games and also streaming maybe. Current build: AMD Phenom II 965 OC @ 4x 3,7 ghz ASRock 870 Extreme 3 8GB Ram ( Noname manufracturers) Gigabyte AMD Radeon 7870 OC Kingston SSD 128GB PSU BeQuiet 530 W So I'm thinking bottleneck is caused by CPU, so I would have to upgrade the CPU and MB. I was thinking i5 4670k or i7 4770k , but having the budget in mind i would tend to buy the i5 and overclock it later if needed ( Cooler recommondations welcome, currently I'm using Skythe Katana 3 but i don't want the trouble to make that fit on a 1150 Socket). Also looking to buy brand DDR3 RAM, maybe Kingston HyperX or Corsair Vengeance? Which Motherboard is decent for that build? You're referring to SC2 right? What's your budget? The best possible set up you could get for SC2 is an overclocked i5 4670k. The 4770k can't really be justified as it's way more expensive and having hyperthreading enabled raises temperatures as well. Since SC2 only scales on two cores the hyperthreading doesn't help. You might be streaming which does indeed take advantage of the i7's hyperthreading but it's not a big enough advantage to justify the cost, imo. So yeah, the recommendation you'll be getting is probably along the lines of "get an i5 4670k with a GA-Z87X-D3H motherboard with a mid-high end cooler to go with that". As for RAM, I think have faster 2400 MHz RAM is good to have, SC2 seems to profit from fast RAM as well. However this kind of upgrade we're talking about is quite expensive. It's like $200+ for a 4670K, $130 for the motherboard to go with it, $70 for high end cooling (I'm guessing you could get a cheaper mid-range cooler like something from Thermalright, I believe Ropid mentioned that there was a new cooler that they made that was very good and priced quite well). If you're NOT going to overclock, then you should get the 4670 + B85 motherboard. It's way cheaper than the overclocked 4670k set up and it should still perform relatively well. SC2 is badly optimized anyway so you'll get FPS drops in big team fights regardless of what you have. So this set up performs a bit worse than the previous one but it's cheaper, way easier to set up and still does well enough. But if you are going to overclock then you really need the more expensive Z87 boards. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
if it's specifically for sc2 etc*, you probably want to go straight to a 4670k paired with a mobo like z87x-d3h and a decent cooler, i usually go-to thermalright stuff as they have a few good ones in the mid to high range (hr-02 macho, the new true spirit 140 -power edition-, silver arrow) In the UK that costs ~£162 for CPU, ~£92 for mobo and ~£32-58 for cooler No point replacing RAM unless it's defective or you want to spend like £70 on a faster kit. Also to note, you require a z87 (overclocking) motherboard to run over ~1600mhz on the RAM, because it's tied to the integrated memory controller speed which is 1600mhz on Haswell and can't be overclocked without z87 and maybe a k-series CPU (i'm not certain on that, but it's silly to get z87 without a k-series CPU) GBP is roughly convertible to euro in some countries, buying from germany you can just add like 5-10% often - but some EU countries are very expensive. Prices cross-market to US are quite vastly different *your GPU is not the best, for some other games, the best use of budget might be to get a weaker cpu ~probably just ~4670 or ~4570, no K or overclocking, paired with cheaper mobo (no overclocking) in order to replace the GPU edit: So yeah, the recommendation you'll be getting is probably along the lines of "get an i5 4670k with a GA-Z87X-D3H motherboard with a mid-high end cooler to go with that" seriously man 2 minute ninja'd fffffff To be honest a lot of these posts sound the same, but intel kinda has a monopoly on sc2 performance lol - at the same clock, Piledriver has only like 60% of the performance in this engine Oh, also to note: We're getting Haswell Refresh cpu's, i believe the k-models in about 5 weeks. This will >replace< the 4670k and be using z97 motherboards which are not available yet. You might want to hold to buy this, as even if performance stays the same (which is quite likely there will either be a very slight boost to clocks, if there is any performance change), a big, advertised goal of these CPU's is a better thermal solution between the CPU die and IHS+cooler, which may cut temps by up to ~22c - but ~10c off is likely. It's not a big thing, but z97 motherboards will support Broadwell CPU's in the future.. whiich you probably won't want to buy, this is not very enticing but in the end it's new tech in 5 weeks and it's a pretty big investment, so i'd want to wait, given that 4670k+z87 is 11 months old now. It's the same technology, but i doubt that Intel would launch if they didn't have something up their sleeve, at least a minor improvement. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
E: I wonder if the haswell refreshes will be able to be delidded. if they just improved the thermal paste / IHS solution on these new processors than a delidded 11 month old haswell will be the same as a new haswell refresh in 5 weeks. surely, they changed something else in the processor itself? cache or something? idk lawl | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On April 22 2014 20:37 Incognoto wrote: hanging around this thread a lot helps, doesn't it? :p E: I wonder if the haswell refreshes will be able to be delidded. if they just improved the thermal paste / IHS solution on these new processors than a delidded 11 month old haswell will be the same as a new haswell refresh in 5 weeks. surely, they changed something else in the processor itself? cache or something? idk lawl In the past we got new steppings on some CPU's that clocked significantly higher, i think d0 on bloomsfield i7's clocked like 400mhz higher than c0. It's plausible to get some kind of performance increase but also completely plausible that nothing will change aside from like -10c temp drop, and delidded Haswell could still be just as strong or even stronger. Most people won't want to delid though, so for those people i expect at least some somewhat relevant change. | ||
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wOotKR
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I might just wait 5 weeks and see then. Even if the new cpus dont have drastic performace increases it should still work the prices a bit. Budget is maybe around 300-400 Euros so ~500$ just for CPU and MB. So future orientation is also an issue. I don't wanna bite my ass for not spending the extra 100$ for i7, so if i5 it should be decently overclockable. Going for a mid tier cooler at first , but those "small" components can be easily upgraded later if needed. Currently in Germany btw EDIT: Also for SC2 ofc  I think 1600 RAM is fine. This is just a 'future oriented' mid tier build ^^ | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On April 22 2014 21:18 wOotKR wrote: Okay thanks guys! I might just wait 5 weeks and see then. Even if the new cpus dont have drastic performace increases it should still work the prices a bit. Budget is maybe around 300-400 Euros so ~500$ just for CPU and MB. So future orientation is also an issue. I don't wanna bite my ass for not spending the extra 100$ for i7, so if i5 it should be decently overclockable. Going for a mid tier cooler at first , but those "small" components can be easily upgraded later if needed. Currently in Germany btw EDIT: Also for SC2 ofc I think 1600 RAM is fine. This is just a 'future oriented' mid tier build ^^ I expect pricing to be basically the same or maybe even a little higher, but it's probably still a better buy to wait Even if a game scaled perfectly with Hyperthreading, and very few do (probably crysis 3 is the only one) then you're talking about paying 100 euros more for i7 for ~1.15x performance while cpu bound hard, mayybe 1.2x (it's harder to maintain as high of an OC with extra heat from hyperthreading) It's really hard to justify price, given that it's not really used in any notable games atm (i'd maybe reccomend it for somebody trying to run ~120hz with an nvidia card for gsync/ulmb playing Battlefield 4 as it's a bit of a boost there if you are CPU limited, which requires quite some GPU horsepower) in the future, it's likely that both 4670k and 4770k will be replaced, not really that 4770k will become "mid range" and 4670k will become "low range" - they're just functionally pretty close in the games where they don't perform basically identically OC'd 4670k is much more "future proof" than any stock cpu on the market - you're pretty safe there. It's a rival for the FX cpu's in terms of multithreaded performance since Haswell, a little behind in many loads but a little ahead in a few (faster clock for clock video encoding!) as well as having the most solid singlethreaded performance that you can buy, so it's one part that's very hard to regret buying. I was pretty big on video encoding and cpu stuff, but if i could go back 11 months and get a 4670k instead + have £100 in pocket, i probably would. I think 1600 RAM is fine. i don't recommend replacing unless it's defective, you're getting a fast kit or you're using the current one for some other build or purpose, just too much cost. If you have that itch though (like i had for case) it's probably better to stretch a little and get a decent kit as they're not much more expensive than 1600c9 and sc2 is one of the only games out there that's shown some kind of response to it | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
http://www.amazon.de/Intel-4670K-Prozessor-Sockel-LGA1150/dp/B00CO8TBOW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398169803&sr=8-1&keywords=i5 4670k http://www.amazon.de/Intel-4770K-Prozessor-Sockel-LGA1150/dp/B00CO8TBQ0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1398169813&sr=8-2&keywords=i5 4770k €90 is pretty much the price of a high end air cooler with money to spare. It's also important to remember that hyperthreading on means you'll be hitting a thermal ceiling faster; hyperthreading generates extra heat. If you turn off hyperthreading on the 4770k you basically get a 4670k. ;/ http://www.amazon.de/Noctua-NH-D14-LGA1366-LGA1156-LGA1155/dp/B002VKVZ1A/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1398169966&sr=8-2&keywords=noctua nh-d15 I don't know if the extra cost on the NH-D15 can be justified? Is it really that much better? http://www.amazon.de/Noctua-NH-D15-CPU-Kühler/dp/B00JJY25NI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398169966&sr=8-1&keywords=noctua nh-d15#productDetails E: oh counter ninja'd? lawl! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On April 22 2014 21:37 Incognoto wrote: Disregarding the HAswell refresh, believe me when there's little reason to get an i7 4770k over an i5 4670k, especially for a gaming rig that's supposed to also stream. The hyperthreading and a little extra cache is all you get for that. The difference in price is almost €90: http://www.amazon.de/Intel-4670K-Prozessor-Sockel-LGA1150/dp/B00CO8TBOW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398169803&sr=8-1&keywords=i5 4670k http://www.amazon.de/Intel-4770K-Prozessor-Sockel-LGA1150/dp/B00CO8TBQ0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1398169813&sr=8-2&keywords=i5 4770k €90 is pretty much the price of a high end air cooler with money to spare. It's also important to remember that hyperthreading on means you'll be hitting a thermal ceiling faster; hyperthreading generates extra heat. If you turn off hyperthreading on the 4770k you basically get a 4670k. ;/ http://www.amazon.de/Noctua-NH-D14-LGA1366-LGA1156-LGA1155/dp/B002VKVZ1A/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1398169966&sr=8-2&keywords=noctua nh-d15 I don't know if the extra cost on the NH-D15 can be justified? Is it really that much better? http://www.amazon.de/Noctua-NH-D15-CPU-Kühler/dp/B00JJY25NI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398169966&sr=8-1&keywords=noctua nh-d15#productDetails E: oh counter ninja'd? lawl! It's justified for those who want to strap a third 150mm fan on and laugh for epeen and a few degrees more, not really for others. I got my silver arrow for £50 after shipping and VAT and they're like £58 now (which is ~70 euro) These are better price/performance: http://www.amazon.de/THERMALRIGHT-HR-02-Macho-BW-Kuehler/dp/B008YTUN38/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398170724&sr=8-1&keywords=hr-02 macho http://www.amazon.de/Thermalright-Spirit-Power-Multiple-Heatpipe/dp/B00IYEEOMO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1398170706&sr=8-4&keywords=true spirit 140 Don't know if that true spirit 140 power (power is better than the old regular edition!) is good to buy, maybe it just says 1 left in stock, i can't read german :D | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
The 400 € stuff over here is only $400 in the US (it's cheaper and those guys don't count taxes).  Up to 400 € should work out fine for CPU + board + massive air cooler. See this screenshot from right this moment: http://i.imgur.com/f1z4E6L.png The prices are a good bit lower than usual. When the new Haswell Refresh stuff comes out, it will be closer to 400 € at the start. Those two coolers named HR-02 Macho Rev.A and True Spirit 140 Power are not really that "mid-tier" as you might think. They are 35 € and 40 € at mindfactory.de, so pretty far away from those 70 € and 80 € air coolers at the top, but they are actually very close to them in performance. The TS 140 Power should be the better choice, but it has to fit in your PC case. The case has to allow 170mm height for the CPU cooler and that's not that normal. The HR-02 Macho Rev.A is looking even more like a monster than the TS140 Power but is actually fitting in nearly every case. Its height is very similar to a normal 120mm cooler like the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO. It's also not that wide, can even often be used in a tiny ITX sized PC without hitting the graphics card. It's a headache to install if you don't completely disassemble everything and take the board out of the case, while the TS 140 Power doesn't have that problem. | ||
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