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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
On April 23 2014 08:24 Ropid wrote: If you want to know what to be paranoid about, I feel the most scary thing is that CPU socket on Intel. Those bastards don't want anything to do with RMAs on their CPUs, so they ditched the pins on the CPU itself. They forced the pin issue onto the board manufacturers instead, so today the pins are inside the socket. Those pins in the socket are very delicate. If you grab into the socket or something falls into it (like if you drop the CPU into the socket), the pins get bent and your board is basically broken. The board's manufacturer won't accept it back as it's technically your fault that it broke. Any tips on how to avoid that? Or do I just have to be really careful and take my time? | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Leeto
United States1320 Posts
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
On April 23 2014 04:53 iTzSnypah wrote: You people are soo paranoid. I've had my computer torn apart (with no anti-static snake oil) more times that I would like to admit and guess what, it all still works. AHH THE SKY IS FALLING!!! You really think that component manufacturers are manically laughing and saying "good thing the crux of our components is static electricity MUHAHAHAHA! the poor fools we're really raking in the money now!" The only time you have to worry about static is if you happen to be building your computer inches away from a electrostatic generator. ... I agree with you. The look on the company president's face when he walked into my office and I had the primary file server turned on, running, in my lap, open, with a screwdriver in hand, was absolutely priceless. Possibly more so because the engineers in the company (I was the Systems Administrator/sole IT) had some fairly expensive anti-static rigs for the equipment they worked on. (Note: To date, I have worked with a lot of computers. Never have I had an issue with static discharge destroying a part. If it fails, I always assume something mechanical - bent pins, broken contacts, things like that. The only time I'd be worried is if there is visible scorching and there's been a lightning storm recently.) Edit: On reflection, I should also note that I've never been completely cavalier about the possibility either - I tend to ground myself before working on a computer even if I don't use a strap or any of that kind of thing and I would advise against rubbing a piece of rabbit fur with a glass rod inside a computer case.) | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On April 23 2014 09:27 Leeto wrote: I hate the grinding sound/feeling when the CPU is placed in the socket and you're closing down the latch to secure it in. I feel like I'm breaking something every time. As does almost everyone! Tbh though, not breaking the pins on the motherboard is akin to "common sense". Just be careful around fragile parts and you're good to go. | ||
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Aqualoung
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 I don't really know how to post my budget since prices here in Croatia are mostly pretty different from what people post here (most of the stuff is more expensive here). Budget: About 800$, could go a little over that. I don't need any peripherals. (Since I'm in Croatia, I think if you work with a budget of $650-$700 it would turn up about $800 here.) Monitor native resolution: 1080p What games do I intend to play/settings: I usually play online games so I dont really get in touch with crazy single player graphics. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?: Not for any high-requirement stuff. Programming, maybe some low-level 3d modeling. Do you intend to overclock?: No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?: No Do you need an operating system?: No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?: No If you have any requirements or brand preferences: I would probably like to keep my 2 existing hard drives. This one, and this one. These are mostly my storage HDDs, I can buy an SSD to run my OS or even another HDD if you think it would be better. What country will you be buying your parts in?: Croatia Retailler preferences: No Thank you very much for your help again! If someone answers, I will check the prices here to check on the budget differences. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Aqualoung
22 Posts
This would most likely be the retailer, but I'm sure they have stuff not on their page and they could get something else if needed. You can use the search on the top to find specific components. Edit: there is a little EUR sign right next to the shop logo where you can change the pricing to euro. If you really want you can use this site to check the prices in Croatia, it lists all the shops and their prices (search bar is top right) but they are also in croatian. As I said, I don't expect you to go through that trouble, you could just work with the budget I gave and I will check for the prices and post any changes with the budget if needed. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Here's what I put together, for 4224 kn: i3 4330/3.5 GHz for 869 kn: http://www.edigital.hr/Procesori/Intel_Core_i3_procesor_350GHz_LGA1150_4MB_(i3-4330)-p46115.html?bid=&partner=10001&utm_source=nabava.net&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=abTest1 R7 260X, 2 Gb for 887 kn: http://www.centro.hr/detalji_proizvoda.16984FE4-083F-4D09-A3F0-DC1DA6640BC9.aspx ASRock H81M-GL for 309 kn: http://www.edigital.hr/Maticne_ploce/ASRock_s1150_H81M-GL_maticna_ploca-p46248.html?bid=&partner=10001&utm_source=nabava.net&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=abTest1 Core 1000 for 288 kn: http://infokom.com.hr/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=438&search=core 1000 Crucial M500 for 908 kn: http://www.centro.hr/detalji_proizvoda.7116aa205f234f8db43502942c300a6a.crucial-240gb-m500-sata-6gbps-2-5-7mm-with-9-5mm-adapter-ssd.aspx Crucial vengeance (2x4 Gb RAM) for 599 kn: http://www.edigital.hr/DDR3_memorija/RAM_DDR3_Corsair_(CMZ8GX3M1A1600C9)_8_GB_1600MHz_8GB_Vengeance_Heatspreader-p48393.html XFX core 450W PSU for 325 kn: http://www.centro.hr/detalji_proizvoda.cce7779427d74eb88c7dad81f74e6080.xfx-pro-series-coreedition-80-450w-psu-xfx-p1-450s-x2b9.aspx Other possibilities include: http://www.centro.hr/detalji_proizvoda.9b6406feaade435ea69b2f951ea05113.kuciste-thermaltake-v4-black-edition.aspx I'm not sure what the V4 is compared to the Core 1000. I like the Core 1000 but with this case you stick to two vendors. It seems all right if you look at user reviews but I can't find a big review site and user reviews are to be taken with a grain of salt: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133179 Smaller SSD is cheaper: http://www.centro.hr/detalji_proizvoda.71d9aa14e1314853ab822b57be87c1da.crucial-ssd-120gb-crucial-m500-sata-6gbps-msata-ssd.aspx beefier GPU (raises the price to 4500 kn so it's not breaking the bank and it's a great GPU): http://www.edigital.hr/Nvidia/Gigabyte_PCI-E_Nvidia_GTX660_WF2_(2048MB_DDR5_192bit_1033/6008Mhz_2xDVI_HDMI_DP_Dual_Slot_Ventilator)-p70717.html | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
By the way, I've been curious. I'm running an i5-2300 2.8GHz on an ASROCK H61M-HVS mb with 8Gb of RAM. I just upgraded my graphics card to a Radeon R9-270X 2Gb VRAM. But I've still got my old PSU - I think it's only 400W. Although the performance is much improved and the framerate shot up to between 65-95fps, I get the occasional stutter/hiccup while in the game. It's not constant but often enough to be annoying. Those mili/microsecond pauses can be deadly, as you know... So, my question is, whether the PSU is affecting this, or is it something else? I know it's not the GPU, and I'm pretty sure the CPU is more than capable of handling CloD (maybe I'm wrong). So is it my PSU not supplying enough juice to the Radeon causing this momentary pauses? If so, what wattage do I need to be sure I have enough? Can I get away with a 600W, or do I need 750W? My budget is under $100, to replace the PSU. Is it possible to have your CPU or GPU throttle due to a bad PSU or not enough power? I thought the system would just flat out black out or the PSU would fry or something. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Is it possible to have your CPU or GPU throttle due to a bad PSU or not enough power? If your CPU or GPU clock speeds are dropping (that's a big if) then you can see it plain as day with various bits of easy to use software, and if (another big if) that's caused by a bad PSU not being able to supply its rated power in a decent way, then it might be fixed with a decent unit just buying one outright though would be silly because you don't even know if throttling is happening, and if it is, there are many different causes To directly answer your question, most good PSU's have a certain point where they will just cut power | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
and yeah I don't think that a hiccup or a stutter is indicative of throttling. i think just using afterburner to see if clockrates plummet for no reason is a better indication for that | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
On April 24 2014 03:21 Incognoto wrote: ^That makes sense to me, thanks and yeah I don't think that a hiccup or a stutter is indicative of throttling. i think just using afterburner to see if clockrates plummet for no reason is a better indication for that This isn't the R9 270x stutter issue is it? There was a VBIOS update and new drivers to fix that. (Although I still have that problem in my 280x, and it only started after the VBIOS update | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
If you buy a Y-cable for 4-pin fans, it will also work with 3-pin fans. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
EDIT: Was on for like 5-10 mins so hopefully the CPU didnt get screwed up? Found the problem some how the cpu fan's wiring got caught in the fan blade so i popped out all the wires and moved it away from the fan. Redoing windows 7 installation and everything seems to be running fine. So I hope I didn't damage the chip at all However, is there any tests or anything I can do to check if I damaged the CPU in any way? | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On April 24 2014 05:04 felisconcolori wrote: This isn't the R9 270x stutter issue is it? There was a VBIOS update and new drivers to fix that. (Although I still have that problem in my 280x, and it only started after the VBIOS update I'm not sure what sort of issue it was. It could have been his CPU not being strong enough for the game or it could have been the server he was playing on acting up. | ||
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