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oh yeah that R7 240 I linked was the ddR3 version which definitely isn't what you should get; I wanted to use it crossfire with kaveri but it ended up being out of the build's budget. Didn't change the graphics card after that, my bad.
I think another HD 6670, maybe even an HD 7750 or 7770, would work well here.
You'd think that this would be where Kaveri might shine but it's actually expensive as well. Also I want to cry, been looking where I might find an A8-7600, which is pretty good value, but I couldn't find one because AMD hasn't released it yet (WTF AMD?).
How frustrating.
Either way, this is another possible option: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3yiFX
I couldn't find an SC2 benchmark for the A8-6600K, which uses the HD 8570D. HD 8570D is marginally better than Intel's HD 4600, which is what I'm comparing it to since I know that the HD 4600 can run SC2 1v1 at high FPS at low settings at 1080p.
That's why, based on some research, I'm pretty sure that the A8-6600K's integrated graphics will out-perform the i5 4670's integrated graphics.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-8570D.96587.0.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswell-review,3521-5.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-richland-intel-haswell-gpu_5.html
E: much has been said while I was using google lol. indeed, you might as well get decent 2x2 Gb of RAM, regardless of what you're going to use. I read that A8 series APUs use system memory as well, rather than having their own dedicated video memory like a GPU might have, so having decent RAM is a good thing here.
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Interesting! I might just place the older stick and see if i can buy another 1333 rated 2GB one. Since i'll be running dual channel i don't mind the lower clock speed, and i can upgrade later on when 2133 is cheaper.
I want to take a look at the build after knowing i've got these parts i can use. Would i benefit from running a motherboard that's higher priced than this? MSI H81M-P33
Edit: @Incognoto. Since i have this 6670, i'd like a non-APU build so i like the first one better. Do you think i'd benefit from running two 6670 in crossfire? They're pretty low-power cards.
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If you're using a questionable PSU I would not push it with crossfire, even for low end cards. The performance gains wouldn't be worth it either, imo.
I wasn't aware you still had a 6670. In which case using the first build with that 6670 is probably a decent solution.
You don't need to get a better motherboard than that one, especially with your budget. It won't help anything.
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A8 7600 was delayed until later this year fyi, probably because GF can't meet demand.
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Indeed, so I read. They should just stop manufacturing A10s then, because those suck. x)
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I'll propose the following build:
$50 MSI H81M-P33
$70 Pentium G3220
$75 Seagate Barracuda 1TB @7200RPM
Got the PSU, got the graphics card. Anything i'm missing?
I'll appreciate if you can point me to a computer case that's solid, for less than 50$. I'll need the operating system, probably Win7 64bit; that'll be 100$.
Do you think i'd be able to run War Thunder (low graphics) in this build?
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Core 1000 or NZXT 210 are too cheap and solid budget cases.
You should be able to run war thunder on low settings with this build, probably easily even; my previous computer was a Q6600 with an HD3450 and it managed that.
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Awesome, thanks. I like how slick the NZXT 210 looks. I'll see if i can find it.
So far, this buy list sums up to 340 including OS and Case. I wish i had the OS disc i used to install on the other computer, i think i don't have it anymore. I'll dig and if i find it this'll fit my budget.
Thanks to all of you for your help. I'm still open to suggestions until i go buy the parts and i'll report back once the build is done.
Edit: Almost forgot, i'll need a reliable keyboard for about $20.
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I couldn't find an SC2 benchmark for the A8-6600K
The performance loss from CPU would be enough to make it not even a consideration unless it was for other tasks, specifically maybe stuff that utilizes avx (video encoding) which the pentium does not have, or overclocking some - maybe even just some 4 threaded games, but it'd fall behind for sc2
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I hadn't planned on upgrading yet, but my computer's problems stem have been getting worse and worse, and Dark Souls 2 not working was the last straw. I'm looking to buy all the essential parts and move over what I can, and then phase the old parts out for nice new ones as I get the money.
I'm currently looking at something like this
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3yxA8
but with my current GPU, a GeForce 9800GTX+.
I'm sure that the GPU, which is currently far nicer than the rest of my computer, most of which is the same as it was in 2007, would become the new bottleneck. At the same time, I can already play most games on decent settings, they just crash due to instability that I'm 99% sure rests with the motherboard/processor. I'm fairly sure that PCI-e 2.0 cards are compatible with PCI-e 3.0 ports, so is there any reason that this would be a bad idea?
I would be reusing my current monitors, hard drives, operating system, keyboard, mouse, etc.
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On April 26 2014 10:59 Nathris wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I hadn't planned on upgrading yet, but my computer's problems stem have been getting worse and worse, and Dark Souls 2 not working was the last straw. I'm looking to buy all the essential parts and move over what I can, and then phase the old parts out for nice new ones as I get the money. I'm currently looking at something like this http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3yxA8but with my current GPU, a GeForce 9800GTX+. I'm sure that the GPU, which is currently far nicer than the rest of my computer, most of which is the same as it was in 2007, would become the new bottleneck. At the same time, I can already play most games on decent settings, they just crash due to instability that I'm 99% sure rests with the motherboard/processor. I'm fairly sure that PCI-e 2.0 cards are compatible with PCI-e 3.0 ports, so is there any reason that this would be a bad idea? I would be reusing my current monitors, hard drives, operating system, keyboard, mouse, etc.
Seasonic Platinum is overkill. If you don't plan on doing SLI or Crossfire than get a Rosewill Capstone 450, M variant if you care about modularity somewhat. If you want full modular than take a look at the XFX XTR 550w.
Fractal Design Define R4 or Arc Midi R2 are better at the $90 price point than the Lian Li PC-9F.
You'll need an aftermarket heatsink for overclocking.
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I don't initially plan on overclocking- it'll be a mindblowing upgrade as is. The differences in prices between i5's seem small enough that I think it's worth keeping the option open for the future, especially since I've got a good combo deal on that processor with that motherboard at a local Microcenter.
I'm looking into that PSU now, in the past I've heard mixed things about Rosewill but the Capstone series sounds really good, I'll probably pick that up. Maybe I'll bump it up to the 550w version for a little more upgrade room. I grew to appreciate modularity in this cheap case with no cable management, but with one of these nice new cases I don't think it will matter too much.
I considered the Fractal Design Define R4, but I'm worried the soundproofing materials might make it a bit too heavy, and I don't really like side windows. I like Lian Li's aluminum cases, but the Arc Midi R2 does seem great. I think I'll get that instead.
Thanks for your advice.
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I'm looking into that PSU now, in the past I've heard mixed things about Rosewill but the Capstone series sounds really good, I'll probably pick that up. Maybe I'll bump it up to the 550w version for a little more upgrade room.
I don't initially plan on overclocking- it'll be a mindblowing upgrade as is.
You should almost certainly just decide if you want to commit to overclocking or not - you can either save a significant amount of money - in the leagues of like $70 right now on mobo and even more with not having to buy a cooler (for like $50!), as well as the bit extra 4670k costs over 4670/4570 (which you need as you're using a weak graphics card) - or you can get the performance immediately, instead of paying for a car to be sat in your garage with no wheels or engine
The middle ground is really not a good option - are you really going to go back, unplug half of your power cables, gpu, etc, take the motherboard out of the case to put a backplate on it to attach a new cooler? Even if you can access it without unmounting the mobo, it's a pain - and you actually have to go back and order a cooler, OC etc after owning the PC for a while - something that a shocking amount of people that choose this option end up failing to do, so it's just a waste of money then
For power, there is no reason to take over a 450w unless you are overclocking your CPU while also overclocking a gk110/hawaii gpu (780/290) and before that, it's not needed at all because those gpu's (780/290) consume like 1.5x as much power as the GPU step below them
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Well if he's sticking to his GTX 9300+, he will doubtless soon realize that he may want a new GPU. At least with 550W he does get the possibility of upgrading to very high-end cards. GTX 780 or R9 290 might be deemed silly with a CPU at stock speeds but if you're getting an i5 4670k with OC, then you might as well give yourself the possibility to upgrade go 1440p gaming in the future (that's what I would do right now anyway) with a single high end overclocked GPU. Well that's my take: I definitely 100% agree that if you're going to overclock, do it NOW and don't wait sitting on high-end hardware at stock speeds. ^^
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It's just a bit of a leap of faith to go from picking pennies to "when i have my 4670k and 780 and 1440p monitor i MUST clock them far beyond where they are most efficient performance/watt"
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quite true, I suppose. Not to mention Maxwell might be very energy efficient. At very least our friend has the pros & cons for his decision. :p
Then again I was speaking from my perspective since my next rig, whenever I feel an upgrade is justified (not for a few years) will be something like that; I will be looking at hardware that's meant for overclocking.
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At the moment, I can get a 4670k cheaper than a 4670, but I'll look more into a cheaper motherboard etc next.
I do plan to upgrade the old GPU as soon as I can afford it, I'd just rather get a nice computer in two stages than get a full budget build right now. That would be a good time to install a cooler, but you're right, it would be a hassle to go back later in any case.
I had originally planned to wait until the Oculus Rift was out, I'm very interested in it and it's doubtlessly going to be demanding. I can't really plan for that at this stage, though, by the time there's VR software worth spending money for, any current computer might be dated. Overclocking and power for a top-end GPU might be nice, but I'll look at the differences in cost first.
I'll take all of this into consideration and see how the numbers fall over the next few days. I appreciate all of the input.
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By the way, keep in mind that Haswell refresh and Z97 boards are incoming soon. 5 weeks I think?
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On April 26 2014 17:29 Incognoto wrote:
By the way, keep in mind that Haswell refresh and Z97 boards are incoming soon. 5 weeks I think?
2'nd june
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I personally think I have my sights set on the Gigabyte Z97M-DS3H. I think this should be an mATX motherboard capable of overclocking the pentium. I could be totally wrong and obviously I'll do more research before doing anything.
but the siblings are currently gaming on my old rig which isn't much for a gaming rig as is. so i might be able to get them a decent birthday present and finally be able to overclock a cpu. i'm tired of going into the haswell oc thread on oc.net without being able to do it myself.
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