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Alright, well I'm kind of a rookie at this, but here goes:
I made you a build, but it should be noted that the processor should probably be replaced in a couple weeks when the new version comes out, so definitely wait for that:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-K ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($131.45 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.49 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB ACX Video Card ($499.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($269.99 @ Newegg)
Speakers: Cyber Acoustics CA3550RB 68W 2.1ch Speakers ($43.51 @ Amazon)
Total: $1699.35
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-27 07:28 EDT-0400)
If you were to get Windows 7 from a less legal source it'd be even closer to the 1500 USD you'd want 
This build gives you the room to OC, have awesome graphics and game at 120hz (LoL, Dota, SC, CS:GO specifically will benefit from this because they're games that cost barely any graphical power to run.)
The speakers I have no idea how good they are, I'm only experienced with headphones/mics. If you were to go for a new pair of headphones that will beat basically any kind of headset/speakers (for 1 person that is! ), I HEAVILY recommend the Sennheiser HD 598's. I've been using them for a year now. They look awesome, they feel super comfortable and the sound from these cans is the best you're going to get without any enhancements to your sound card or anything else. 
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By the way the mining craze is finally over and slowly dying (for GPU miners I mean), so AMD cards are back to being priced normally. You can get the Tri-X R9 290 for $430, which is the 290 with the best air cooler, so that's a really good deal.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202080
GTX 780s are still mostly over $500 (well that's what a quick search on newegg got me, there might be cheaper ones somewhere?), so in terms of price/performance the R9 290 is back to the insane spot it should have been months ago. However AMD drivers aren't as good as Nvidia's (atm anyway), Mantle is only limited to two games afaik. Let's say the card itself is good with the 290 but AMD's support is lacking compared to Nvidia's g-sync, shadowplay and drivers.
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On April 27 2014 20:31 Thalandros wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Alright, well I'm kind of a rookie at this, but here goes: I made you a build, but it should be noted that the processor should probably be replaced in a couple weeks when the new version comes out, so definitely wait for that: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / BenchmarksCPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Asus Z87-K ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ NCIX US) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($131.45 @ SuperBiiz) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.49 @ Amazon) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB ACX Video Card ($499.99 @ Newegg) Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US) Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($269.99 @ Newegg) Speakers: Cyber Acoustics CA3550RB 68W 2.1ch Speakers ($43.51 @ Amazon) Total: $1699.35 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-27 07:28 EDT-0400)If you were to get Windows 7 from a less legal source it'd be even closer to the 1500 USD you'd want This build gives you the room to OC, have awesome graphics and game at 120hz (LoL, Dota, SC, CS:GO specifically will benefit from this because they're games that cost barely any graphical power to run.) The speakers I have no idea how good they are, I'm only experienced with headphones/mics. If you were to go for a new pair of headphones that will beat basically any kind of headset/speakers (for 1 person that is! ), I HEAVILY recommend the Sennheiser HD 598's. I've been using them for a year now. They look awesome, they feel super comfortable and the sound from these cans is the best you're going to get without any enhancements to your sound card or anything else.
Sort of a mix of components. GTX 780 is high-end but video cards gets replaced every three to five years while the Coolermaster N400, Hyper 212 EVO, and VS 650w are all shit in comparison, components that can last until their deathbed, which is typically a lifetime if you wanted to.
GTX 780 is extremely wasteful for League of Legends, DotA, Starcraft II, and Counterstrike: Global Offensive. 120Hz is mostly pointless in RTS and MOBA games since you are staring at a static image for a large majority of the game. The smoothness is nice but it's hardly worth $300+. GTX 760 would be more appropriate, still crazy overkill for these games but allow for reasonably high settings on newer AAA titles.
He's not doing SLI so a 650w unit is not necessary. Capstone 450 is fine, if you want semi-modular than get M variant, if you want full modular than get XFX XTR. Though full modular seems a bit silly in a cheap case with an unpleasant looking internal.
840 is old and 120GB at $131 is extremely overpriced. The 840 EVO have been down to like $80 for 120GB and $120-$130 for 250GB on numerous occasions.
1333MHz memory is old and looks overpriced at $80, the standard is 1600MHz now and 1866MHz / 2133MHz is typically not that much more.
The computer itself can easily cost under $1000, leaving $1000 or whatever for three monitors, mechanical keyboard, and speakers.
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On April 27 2014 21:45 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 20:31 Thalandros wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Alright, well I'm kind of a rookie at this, but here goes: I made you a build, but it should be noted that the processor should probably be replaced in a couple weeks when the new version comes out, so definitely wait for that: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / BenchmarksCPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Asus Z87-K ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ NCIX US) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($131.45 @ SuperBiiz) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.49 @ Amazon) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB ACX Video Card ($499.99 @ Newegg) Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US) Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($269.99 @ Newegg) Speakers: Cyber Acoustics CA3550RB 68W 2.1ch Speakers ($43.51 @ Amazon) Total: $1699.35 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-27 07:28 EDT-0400)If you were to get Windows 7 from a less legal source it'd be even closer to the 1500 USD you'd want This build gives you the room to OC, have awesome graphics and game at 120hz (LoL, Dota, SC, CS:GO specifically will benefit from this because they're games that cost barely any graphical power to run.) The speakers I have no idea how good they are, I'm only experienced with headphones/mics. If you were to go for a new pair of headphones that will beat basically any kind of headset/speakers (for 1 person that is! ), I HEAVILY recommend the Sennheiser HD 598's. I've been using them for a year now. They look awesome, they feel super comfortable and the sound from these cans is the best you're going to get without any enhancements to your sound card or anything else. Sort of a mix of components. GTX 780 is high-end but video cards gets replaced every three to five years while the Coolermaster N400, Hyper 212 EVO, and VS 650w are all shit in comparison, components that can last until their deathbed, which is typically a lifetime if you wanted to. GTX 780 is extremely wasteful for League of Legends, DotA, Starcraft II, and Counterstrike: Global Offensive. 120Hz is mostly pointless in RTS and MOBA games since you are staring at a static image for a large majority of the game. The smoothness is nice but it's hardly worth $300+. GTX 760 would be more appropriate, still crazy overkill for these games but allow for reasonably high settings on newer AAA titles. He's not doing SLI so a 650w unit is not necessary. Capstone 450 is fine, if you want semi-modular than get M variant, if you want full modular than get XFX XTR. Though full modular seems a bit silly in a cheap case with an unpleasant looking internal. 840 is old and 120GB at $131 is extremely overpriced. The 840 EVO have been down to like $80 for 120GB and $120-$130 for 250GB on numerous occasions. 1333MHz memory is old and looks overpriced at $80, the standard is 1600MHz now and 1866MHz / 2133MHz is typically not that much more. The computer itself can easily cost under $1000, leaving $1000 or whatever for three monitors, mechanical keyboard, and speakers.
yes, a GTX 780 is a waste for Moba's/RTS'es, but for playing single player games (like the guy said he would) a 780 is pretty much the best you can get, and with a 1.5k USD budget, I think a 780 isn't a wrong choice. The SSD's I haven't looked at myself, a friend bought a non-EVO recently for a decent price and told me it was great, so that's what I went off. I'm going off my limited experience here, mind you I know I bought a bad SSD (for a good price, so it was alright), so I went for this one instead.
and does 1333Mhz memory really matter? Will your PC be that much better performance wise with other rates?
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On April 27 2014 21:45 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 20:31 Thalandros wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Alright, well I'm kind of a rookie at this, but here goes: I made you a build, but it should be noted that the processor should probably be replaced in a couple weeks when the new version comes out, so definitely wait for that: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / BenchmarksCPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Asus Z87-K ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ NCIX US) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($131.45 @ SuperBiiz) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.49 @ Amazon) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB ACX Video Card ($499.99 @ Newegg) Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US) Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($269.99 @ Newegg) Speakers: Cyber Acoustics CA3550RB 68W 2.1ch Speakers ($43.51 @ Amazon) Total: $1699.35 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-27 07:28 EDT-0400)If you were to get Windows 7 from a less legal source it'd be even closer to the 1500 USD you'd want This build gives you the room to OC, have awesome graphics and game at 120hz (LoL, Dota, SC, CS:GO specifically will benefit from this because they're games that cost barely any graphical power to run.) The speakers I have no idea how good they are, I'm only experienced with headphones/mics. If you were to go for a new pair of headphones that will beat basically any kind of headset/speakers (for 1 person that is! ), I HEAVILY recommend the Sennheiser HD 598's. I've been using them for a year now. They look awesome, they feel super comfortable and the sound from these cans is the best you're going to get without any enhancements to your sound card or anything else. Sort of a mix of components. GTX 780 is high-end but video cards gets replaced every three to five years while the Coolermaster N400, Hyper 212 EVO, and VS 650w are all shit in comparison, components that can last until their deathbed, which is typically a lifetime if you wanted to. GTX 780 is extremely wasteful for League of Legends, DotA, Starcraft II, and Counterstrike: Global Offensive. 120Hz is mostly pointless in RTS and MOBA games since you are staring at a static image for a large majority of the game. The smoothness is nice but it's hardly worth $300+. GTX 760 would be more appropriate, still crazy overkill for these games but allow for reasonably high settings on newer AAA titles. He's not doing SLI so a 650w unit is not necessary. Capstone 450 is fine, if you want semi-modular than get M variant, if you want full modular than get XFX XTR. Though full modular seems a bit silly in a cheap case with an unpleasant looking internal. 840 is old and 120GB at $131 is extremely overpriced. The 840 EVO have been down to like $80 for 120GB and $120-$130 for 250GB on numerous occasions. 1333MHz memory is old and looks overpriced at $80, the standard is 1600MHz now and 1866MHz / 2133MHz is typically not that much more. The computer itself can easily cost under $1000, leaving $1000 or whatever for three monitors, mechanical keyboard, and speakers.
Thanks for the replies to both of you
A few quick questions~
Is an i5 sufficient for relatively high quality streaming, and would getting an i7 just be a waste? Also you mentioned a new model of processor coming out, the only ones I could find info on are some new "enthusiast level" processors (or is there a new i5/i7 generation coming?) And what effect would that have, just make a better alternative, or would it just make the current ones cheaper.
Generally, what kind of performance/settings could you expect from an i5 4670 + gtx 760, on relatively new games. I have several friends trying to rope me into play the new mmo (wildstar) when it comes out, and it would be nice to play it on decent settings too.
I have a good headset already (two actually, for some reason.) the speakers would just be for movies/when friends are over/parties/whatever so they don't have to be especially good, although decent would be nice. But I can probably just go and buy some random speakers in town somewhere easily.
Also, do things like disc drives just come with the case? Or should they be bought seperately, just happened to notice there wasn't one on the list. (I assume one is helpful for installing windows :p)
edit: Oh, and do newegg deliver to the uk now? They have a "united kingdom" option on their website, but I dunno if they have the same prices/same delivery here. Again, been a while so I have no idea which retailers are best in europe :p
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On April 27 2014 20:31 Thalandros wrote:Alright, well I'm kind of a rookie at this, but here goes: I made you a build, but it should be noted that the processor should probably be replaced in a couple weeks when the new version comes out, so definitely wait for that: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / BenchmarksCPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Asus Z87-K ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ NCIX US) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($131.45 @ SuperBiiz) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.49 @ Amazon) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB ACX Video Card ($499.99 @ Newegg) Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US) Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($269.99 @ Newegg) Speakers: Cyber Acoustics CA3550RB 68W 2.1ch Speakers ($43.51 @ Amazon) Total: $1699.35 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-27 07:28 EDT-0400)If you were to get Windows 7 from a less legal source it'd be even closer to the 1500 USD you'd want This build gives you the room to OC, have awesome graphics and game at 120hz (LoL, Dota, SC, CS:GO specifically will benefit from this because they're games that cost barely any graphical power to run.) The speakers I have no idea how good they are, I'm only experienced with headphones/mics. If you were to go for a new pair of headphones that will beat basically any kind of headset/speakers (for 1 person that is! ), I HEAVILY recommend the Sennheiser HD 598's. I've been using them for a year now. They look awesome, they feel super comfortable and the sound from these cans is the best you're going to get without any enhancements to your sound card or anything else.
vg248qe is being pretty much replaced this quarter or next with the wave of Gsync/ULMB (strobe) monitors, too.
120Hz is mostly pointless in RTS and MOBA games since you are staring at a static image for a large majority of the game.
I disagree, 144hz gsync is a pretty drastic difference in smoothness and responsiveness vs 60hz, especially a bottom tier monitor, and not using 120+strobe for GSGO feels to me like playing with a ball mouse again instead of a high tier optical sensor. Sc2 won't benefit so much, but League feels much more enjoyable and everything in general benefits from having a screen refresh every ~6.95ms instead of every ~16.67ms. Having Gsync would be icing on the cake. This is one of the more important components in a build (i could live without my 4770k/770, but not monitor - even though it's not as good as the coming ones due to no g-sync support, far worse colors when strobing, etc!)
^I would back that decision quite heavily. To add, I have no trouble making League or CSGO do whatever i want in terms of utilizing high refresh rates, strobing etc*. Sc2 is a mess and doesn't run properly, so it wouldn't benefit nearly as much (performance would be shitty anyway, even if you had the correct framerates, which are unsustainable with higher unit counts)
*Using a gtx770. CSGO and League don't have problems - i would even recommend dropping to 760, or grabbing a 780 if you want a card far stronger.
Is an i5 sufficient for relatively high quality streaming, and would getting an i7 just be a waste? Also you mentioned a new model of processor coming out, the only ones I could find info on are some new "enthusiast level" processors (or is there a new i5/i7 generation coming?) And what effect would that have, just make a better alternative, or would it just make the current ones cheaper.
Generally, what kind of performance/settings could you expect from an i5 4670 + gtx 760, on relatively new games. I have several friends trying to rope me into play the new mmo (wildstar) when it comes out, and it would be nice to play it on decent settings too.
Yes, if you're nitpicking for performance, Overclocked i5 is significantly better than stock i7. If you're staying stock, well, you're mostly good - i imagine you can use like 720p60 or 1080p30 with x264. If a game uses a lot of CPU resources on many cores, you can use NVENC in the nvidia cards to encode up to ~1080p60+, though they give notably less quality at a given bitrate, it's still pretty great and will basically not at all affect performance of the game and the feel when interacting with it, unlike basically every CPU encoding method.
760 is.. It's pretty good, basically a midrange card. A 780, stock vs stock, would be significantly more powerful (over 1.5x) and start to approach 2x as powerful when you utilize its greater overclocking headroom, but it's likely to be like 1.6-1.7x better, IIRC. You should be able to run good settings on a 760 (maxing csgo at hundreds of fps), but if you want to run 120hz with settings up on some games that are not the easiest to run graphically, definitely opt for 780.
To revisit why i think 144hz+gsync/ulmb monitor is not a bad choice for a lot of gamers:
![[image loading]](http://www.blurbusters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/lag-csgo.png)
Here you see basically vsync off, or with gsync @120hz - about ~25ms of input lag. Some of the quickest shots recorded happen ~15-17ms after pressing the mouse button!
With gsync @143fps cap, basically bugged and acting like 144hz vsync - the input lag goes up to ~38ms. The fastest shots are about ~28ms. That shouldn't happen, but it's basically just an example of what happens with vsync - gsync doesn't act that way without a bad setting.
If you use 60hz without vsync, basically optimal in terms of response setup, then you're probably looking at the 144hz setup being at least 1.5x faster in terms of mouse to screen latency - in some niche situations, latency would be reduced by more than half. If you're big on that, it's night and day difference and very hard to go back.
That's ignoring the benefits of smoothness and motion quality, which are "nice" in League of Legends, but seriously impressive and a massive help in games like CSGO. This is the kind of changes to motion quality that you can expect using an ULMB monitor - http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/60vs120vslb/ - it's kind of shocking to see for the first time, like getting glasses and realizing that it's not normal to not be able to see properly even on a fast response TN monitor when doing things like turning an FPS camera. The sudden image clarity and the mouse-becoming-part-of-hand mental connection from lower latency is quite amazing, so i would recommend it to anyone to try, at least. It's way up there on the list with "getting an SSD" or maybe even higher for some people, and i'm still surprised by the lack of proper documentation and understanding of monitor technology because it's still rare to come across people outside of OCN who have even heard of backlight strobing - i'm glad Nvidia is taking it as a branding for their new Gsync monitors and working to improve it so that it's even more impressive.
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On April 27 2014 22:35 killerdog wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 27 2014 21:45 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 20:31 Thalandros wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Alright, well I'm kind of a rookie at this, but here goes: I made you a build, but it should be noted that the processor should probably be replaced in a couple weeks when the new version comes out, so definitely wait for that: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / BenchmarksCPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Asus Z87-K ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ NCIX US) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($131.45 @ SuperBiiz) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.49 @ Amazon) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB ACX Video Card ($499.99 @ Newegg) Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US) Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($269.99 @ Newegg) Speakers: Cyber Acoustics CA3550RB 68W 2.1ch Speakers ($43.51 @ Amazon) Total: $1699.35 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-27 07:28 EDT-0400)If you were to get Windows 7 from a less legal source it'd be even closer to the 1500 USD you'd want This build gives you the room to OC, have awesome graphics and game at 120hz (LoL, Dota, SC, CS:GO specifically will benefit from this because they're games that cost barely any graphical power to run.) The speakers I have no idea how good they are, I'm only experienced with headphones/mics. If you were to go for a new pair of headphones that will beat basically any kind of headset/speakers (for 1 person that is! ), I HEAVILY recommend the Sennheiser HD 598's. I've been using them for a year now. They look awesome, they feel super comfortable and the sound from these cans is the best you're going to get without any enhancements to your sound card or anything else. Sort of a mix of components. GTX 780 is high-end but video cards gets replaced every three to five years while the Coolermaster N400, Hyper 212 EVO, and VS 650w are all shit in comparison, components that can last until their deathbed, which is typically a lifetime if you wanted to. GTX 780 is extremely wasteful for League of Legends, DotA, Starcraft II, and Counterstrike: Global Offensive. 120Hz is mostly pointless in RTS and MOBA games since you are staring at a static image for a large majority of the game. The smoothness is nice but it's hardly worth $300+. GTX 760 would be more appropriate, still crazy overkill for these games but allow for reasonably high settings on newer AAA titles. He's not doing SLI so a 650w unit is not necessary. Capstone 450 is fine, if you want semi-modular than get M variant, if you want full modular than get XFX XTR. Though full modular seems a bit silly in a cheap case with an unpleasant looking internal. 840 is old and 120GB at $131 is extremely overpriced. The 840 EVO have been down to like $80 for 120GB and $120-$130 for 250GB on numerous occasions. 1333MHz memory is old and looks overpriced at $80, the standard is 1600MHz now and 1866MHz / 2133MHz is typically not that much more. The computer itself can easily cost under $1000, leaving $1000 or whatever for three monitors, mechanical keyboard, and speakers. Thanks for the replies to both of you A few quick questions~ Is an i5 sufficient for relatively high quality streaming, and would getting an i7 just be a waste? Also you mentioned a new model of processor coming out, the only ones I could find info on are some new "enthusiast level" processors (or is there a new i5/i7 generation coming?) And what effect would that have, just make a better alternative, or would it just make the current ones cheaper. Generally, what kind of performance/settings could you expect from an i5 4670 + gtx 760, on relatively new games. I have several friends trying to rope me into play the new mmo (wildstar) when it comes out, and it would be nice to play it on decent settings too. I have a good headset already (two actually, for some reason.) the speakers would just be for movies/when friends are over/parties/whatever so they don't have to be especially good, although decent would be nice. But I can probably just go and buy some random speakers in town somewhere easily. Also, do things like disc drives just come with the case? Or should they be bought seperately, just happened to notice there wasn't one on the list. (I assume one is helpful for installing windows :p) edit: Oh, and do newegg deliver to the uk now? They have a "united kingdom" option on their website, but I dunno if they have the same prices/same delivery here. Again, been a while so I have no idea which retailers are best in europe :p
Yes, Newegg just started offering delivery to the UK but selection is limited and shipping may cost an arm or leg.
Cases do not come with anything but itself, screws, manuals, and maybe some misc stuff. If you need a disc drive than you need to purchase one separately. You can install Windows through USB so disc drive is not really necessary these days although nice to have for some stuff.
The Fourth Generation Core processors (eg. core i5 4670) will be getting a refresh sometime soon, see here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7831/intels-haswell-4th-generation-processor-refresh-prices-leaked Some retailers may drop the current processors by a few dollars just to clear inventory but don't expect any drastic change in price.
i5 is sufficient for streaming and a 4670 + 760 will handle many games on high/max settings with low levels (or without) AA/AF.
I disagree, 144hz gsync is a pretty drastic difference in smoothness and responsiveness vs 60hz, especially a bottom tier monitor
What I meant was that it's stupid to get a GTX 780 when main concerns are LoL, CSGO, and SC2.
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On April 27 2014 22:57 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 22:35 killerdog wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 27 2014 21:45 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 20:31 Thalandros wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Alright, well I'm kind of a rookie at this, but here goes: I made you a build, but it should be noted that the processor should probably be replaced in a couple weeks when the new version comes out, so definitely wait for that: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / BenchmarksCPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Asus Z87-K ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ NCIX US) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($131.45 @ SuperBiiz) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.49 @ Amazon) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB ACX Video Card ($499.99 @ Newegg) Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US) Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($269.99 @ Newegg) Speakers: Cyber Acoustics CA3550RB 68W 2.1ch Speakers ($43.51 @ Amazon) Total: $1699.35 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-27 07:28 EDT-0400)If you were to get Windows 7 from a less legal source it'd be even closer to the 1500 USD you'd want This build gives you the room to OC, have awesome graphics and game at 120hz (LoL, Dota, SC, CS:GO specifically will benefit from this because they're games that cost barely any graphical power to run.) The speakers I have no idea how good they are, I'm only experienced with headphones/mics. If you were to go for a new pair of headphones that will beat basically any kind of headset/speakers (for 1 person that is! ), I HEAVILY recommend the Sennheiser HD 598's. I've been using them for a year now. They look awesome, they feel super comfortable and the sound from these cans is the best you're going to get without any enhancements to your sound card or anything else. Sort of a mix of components. GTX 780 is high-end but video cards gets replaced every three to five years while the Coolermaster N400, Hyper 212 EVO, and VS 650w are all shit in comparison, components that can last until their deathbed, which is typically a lifetime if you wanted to. GTX 780 is extremely wasteful for League of Legends, DotA, Starcraft II, and Counterstrike: Global Offensive. 120Hz is mostly pointless in RTS and MOBA games since you are staring at a static image for a large majority of the game. The smoothness is nice but it's hardly worth $300+. GTX 760 would be more appropriate, still crazy overkill for these games but allow for reasonably high settings on newer AAA titles. He's not doing SLI so a 650w unit is not necessary. Capstone 450 is fine, if you want semi-modular than get M variant, if you want full modular than get XFX XTR. Though full modular seems a bit silly in a cheap case with an unpleasant looking internal. 840 is old and 120GB at $131 is extremely overpriced. The 840 EVO have been down to like $80 for 120GB and $120-$130 for 250GB on numerous occasions. 1333MHz memory is old and looks overpriced at $80, the standard is 1600MHz now and 1866MHz / 2133MHz is typically not that much more. The computer itself can easily cost under $1000, leaving $1000 or whatever for three monitors, mechanical keyboard, and speakers. Thanks for the replies to both of you A few quick questions~ Is an i5 sufficient for relatively high quality streaming, and would getting an i7 just be a waste? Also you mentioned a new model of processor coming out, the only ones I could find info on are some new "enthusiast level" processors (or is there a new i5/i7 generation coming?) And what effect would that have, just make a better alternative, or would it just make the current ones cheaper. Generally, what kind of performance/settings could you expect from an i5 4670 + gtx 760, on relatively new games. I have several friends trying to rope me into play the new mmo (wildstar) when it comes out, and it would be nice to play it on decent settings too. I have a good headset already (two actually, for some reason.) the speakers would just be for movies/when friends are over/parties/whatever so they don't have to be especially good, although decent would be nice. But I can probably just go and buy some random speakers in town somewhere easily. Also, do things like disc drives just come with the case? Or should they be bought seperately, just happened to notice there wasn't one on the list. (I assume one is helpful for installing windows :p) edit: Oh, and do newegg deliver to the uk now? They have a "united kingdom" option on their website, but I dunno if they have the same prices/same delivery here. Again, been a while so I have no idea which retailers are best in europe :p Yes, Newegg just started offering delivery to the UK but selection is limited and shipping may cost an arm or leg. Cases do not come with anything but itself, screws, manuals, and maybe some misc stuff. If you need a disc drive than you need to purchase one separately. You can install Windows through USB so disc drive is not really necessary these days although nice to have for some stuff. The Fourth Generation Core processors (eg. core i5 4670) will be getting a refresh sometime soon, see here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7831/intels-haswell-4th-generation-processor-refresh-prices-leaked Some retailers may drop the current processors by a few dollars just to clear inventory but don't expect any drastic change in price. i5 is sufficient for streaming and a 4670 + 760 will handle many games on high/max settings with low levels (or without) AA/AF. Show nested quote +I disagree, 144hz gsync is a pretty drastic difference in smoothness and responsiveness vs 60hz, especially a bottom tier monitor What I meant was that it's stupid to get a GTX 780 when main concerns are LoL, CSGO, and SC2.
I agree, if any of the three drop below 200 or so FPS, i'm usually looking at my CPU. I can't speak for dota, but i can say for other games (i tried Natural Selection 2 and Planetside 2) for example, 760/770 can struggle a bit for 120+fps even with very large sacrifices to settings
For reference, 760 >>> 770 >>>>> 780. I don't like the 770 step very much though, because it's still gk104 (the same GPU as 760) just with more cores unlocked, and both of those GPU's have 2gb VRAM on 256 bit bus. The 780 has 3gb on a 384 bit bus, as well as 12 SMX (vs the 6 and 8 of 760 and 770)
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Just throwing this out there, stock Haswell i5 at 3.6 GHz can handle, I think, encoding at 1080p60 at a bitrate of 5000. I've done it multiple times in the past with little to no visible hits on performance, however this is playing a game at 60 to 80 fps (il-2). I'm also using a 60 Hz monitor so it's quite possible that I just can't see the difference. I can imagine an overclocked 4670k doing really well. Not sure how well this cpu would do playing a long 1v1 (I care little for team games in SC2) while encoding at high settings, I doubt it would be able to maintain the ~110 fps I get at the start of the game (then again as cyro has said, high fps in SC2 doesn't really equate to smoothness). I should run a few benchmarks when I get the time.
There's little reason to encode at 1080p60 though imo, 1080p48 makes more sense, it gets you a pretty gorgeous stream too. Destiny streams at 1080p48 and it's really, really nice to watch. Makes you wish every pro would stream at such settings.
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I've done it multiple times in the past with little to no visible hits on performance
You gotta measure, simply using game capture and CPU encoding, with any CPU for 1080p60 will have like 20-30% performance hit and affect the feel of the game, at least on some games AFAIK (sc2)
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I'll get around to getting some hard numbers in, both for SC2 and other games.
I swear though it's really difficult for me to feel the different effects of doing hardware intensive tasks (V-snyc, video-recording). Maybe it's placebo. Or it's that I have a cheap 60 Hz monitor?
I can't remember if I feel the difference between 110 fps and 80 fps. Unless I'm mistaken you should be able to see the difference right, even on a 60 Hz monitor?
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You must have really bad input lag if you can't feel the effects of 60hz vsync on vs off
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The mouse pointer is typically always feeling great, no matter what. It gets drawn in hardware and I think directly put onto the video signal that's getting sent to the monitor. So with a game like SC2, you could at most try to feel some difference when drawing selection boxes or moving the screen around by holding the middle button of the mouse.
You need a game where you move the whole camera and where this is perfectly connected to your mouse movements. I can only really feel something on QuakeLive. It feels a little more "fresh" with very high FPS compared to V-Sync. In all other games, I just use that "adaptive v-sync" feature on the graphics driver where v-sync is off when the game and GPU can't manage 60 fps at 60 Hz.
I have seen V-Sync feel totally broken in a game, super laggy, but don't quite remember where that was. I think it might have been on Linux and some strange interaction with the NVIDIA drivers.
OpenGL has a feature called "triple buffering". The games can draw as many fps as they want but things are still v-sync at 60 Hz. I don't know if AMD perhaps have a version of that for Direct3D? If you can enable it somewhere, do it.
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Regarding input lag... look at this here:
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The mouse pointer is typically always feeling great, no matter what.
In a best case scenario mouse would feel almost as good as 60hz without vsync (not quite) but there are many times where it (or more often, the game as a whole) feels far far worse;;
60hz is already slow enough in terms of input lag that i'd really be fighting for fast response, it's way worse feeling without already making it muddy and slow
Using a windows aero theme for example uses some kind of refresh rate synced displaying, it feels very off compared to basic theme. It's easy to tell too, flicking back and forth. It bothers me too much to use it for desktop (not even a game) on 120hz and it feels far worse on 60 - it's unsettling to know that most people use these themes on 60hz monitors, now that i've seen what a system that does not feel terrible looks like.
It'd be cool to make one of those video's, is a samsung galaxy s3/s4 capable of higher framerate than 30fps recording? My webcam runs at some weird ~7-30fps, at best sustained 30. My desktop cursor is extremely sharp and osu, since using a dll to force no frame queuing at all (i lost like 80% of my framerate at max, but still have 500+) is pretty much the same, ridiculously fast with that, raw input, stable 1000hz, 144hz monitor etc.
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I have no real choice. I can't take the sort of tearing that can sometimes happen without v-sync. It breaks the immersion badly for me. Quake is the last thing I sometimes play that's fast enough to overpower that immersion issue for me as you often throw around the camera around 180 degrees and stuff and it's fast and the game itself can be overwhelming.
I can't test Aero off because 8, you know. On Linux, it didn't fell laggy when it was working right, pretty much like what I see with v-sync off, except tearing is of course not there. Some window managers are interacting badly with the graphics card and are super laggy. That sort of lag, I've never seen on the window manager that runs the desktop on Windows. It was always like the things that work good on Linux.
When staring a desktop while moving a window around, it seems the window sticks to the mouse pointer, but not 100% perfect. I tried taking a photo of that with the phone. I didn't get any good one. I wanted to see if when I start with the tip of the pointer exactly on the bottom right of the x in "... Firefox", if those two things always stay together for each new frame or not. It seems those two points are sometimes together and sometimes one frame apart but never more than that. So it works as well as it can possibly run, like what you'd expect with triple buffering + v-sync.
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Snapdragon 600 and Exynos 4 are capable of 720p at 60 FPS but 1080p is limited to 30 FPS.
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I've seen a normally priced consumer digital camera for photos (it was Fujifilm or Canon?) that could do hundreds of Hz movies. When searching for something like that, what might happen is that you find something that for example says 720p @ 60Hz and that's right, but the same thing might still be able to do a lot of Hz at 240p for example. It just can't do much at 1080p because it simply can't process that or its memory card wouldn't be able to save that much.
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When staring a desktop while moving a window around, it seems the window sticks to the mouse pointer, but not 100% perfect. I tried taking a photo of that with the phone. I didn't get any good one. I wanted to see if when I start with the tip of the pointer exactly on the bottom right of the x in "... Firefox", if those two things always stay together for each new frame or not. It seems those two points are sometimes together and sometimes one frame apart but never more than that. So it works as well as it can possibly run, like what you'd expect with triple buffering + v-sync.
Well, with aero if i remember correctly, the windows stick to the cursor but that's because they're both lagged, not just the windows.
I'm not a camera person, buying one is kinda awkward for just showing a video. It'd be nice to have, but hey, i have not used a phone since before the time of smartphones so i should probably get one of those first - i'm too busy buying graphics cards instead of taking holidays and learning to drive though.
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Hi, I will buy a new graphic card for my computer, a GTX 770 (ASUS or EVGA). My processor is a i7 2600k.
I will need a new power supply to support my graphic card. What should I get?
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You can get a Capstone 550M for roughly $70 if you're a new Newegg customer.
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