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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
On April 19 2014 03:06 skyR wrote: There's lots of models when it comes memory.. and you didn't specify so the obvious difference between the two is that one is red... and one is blue. That is what confuses me. For example what is the difference between these two EXAMPLE 1 EXAMPLE 2 | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
edit: is it better to have 9-9-9-24 at 1600 mhz or 11-11-11-27 at 2133 mhz (i know the lower is better, but...) | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Think about it! :D And for purely LoL you could get one for $500, maybe $600 that'll be able to run the game at high at 60FPS+. There's a box in my house w/ a 3770k and a gtx260, and it ran the tutorial (start, at least) at literally ~250fps with all maxed aside from shadows off IIRC. I'm constantly surprised by the bad performance i see people having on streams, though - probably just weaker CPU's than slightly OC'd 2'nd/3'rd/4'th gen core and they typically come with bad power supplies and cases. And mobo's | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
On April 19 2014 09:05 Cyro wrote: There's a box in my house w/ a 3770k and a gtx260, and it ran the tutorial (start, at least) at literally ~250fps with all maxed aside from shadows off IIRC. I'm constantly surprised by the bad performance i see people having on streams, though - probably just weaker CPU's than slightly OC'd 2'nd/3'rd/4'th gen core And mobo's Yeah, the couple dozen of games I've spent playing LoL I was 300+ FPS at all times. That's on a radeon 6950 and a Phenom II X6 @ 2.8Ghz. If LoL is the only goal he won't need to spend much. Streaming could be a different story however. | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
On April 19 2014 09:41 Thalandros wrote: Yeah, the couple dozen of games I've spent playing LoL I was 300+ FPS at all times. That's on a radeon 6950 and a Phenom II X6 @ 2.8Ghz. If LoL is the only goal he won't need to spend much. Streaming could be a different story however. I used to get 700fps start of game, it's less than half that now on same settings, not sure what they changed. As for FPS in combat, it does drop a lot with teamfights etc, i don't think i drop below 100 or so but i think most people way overstate worst case FPS in games like sc2/LoL because few actually measure it | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
E: Anyway, wanted to be productive this afternoon and study some coursework, but like a cat whose attention is held by a ball of yarn, I rearranged a few cables in my rig and ended up doing cable management almost 100% over and tidying up the workstation. No coursework was done but the the computer looks quite a bit tidier than before (relatively speaking for a Core 1000). The SSD, HDD and optical drive are up in the two 5"25 bays. The rest of the spare volume on those drive bays is stuffed with >a lot< of PSU cables (as cyro would say), as the gs600 isn't modular. I've been wanting to mod the case a bit but I don't have a dremel or an equivalent to cut the case. I would have liked to open just a few holes in the motherboard panel to route a few cables (SATA cables especially) and also add an intake right under the GPU. Throwing cool intake air right into the GPU's intake should be great. I'm also day-dreaming about voiding the PSU's warranty and doing some modding. It's apparently possible to sleeve cables on a non-modular PSU.. if you open it up and end the sleeve when the cable is back in the PSU. It might also be possible to get rid of the two molex cables which don't serve any purpose atm. Not cut them, obviously, as that might short things inside the PSU, rather, use a solder to remove them. This case is too small for CF 7970 anyway. I might have also modded the fan so that it turned constantly instead of on/off/on/off/on/off, I know myrmidon told me it was possible to do so. But... I'm just going to leave the warranty be. + Show Spoiler + Before: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/z8xfjKyl.jpg) After: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KYZdDAb.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1RpcwzO.jpg) | ||
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awerti
227 Posts
600 euro / 825 USD. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920 * 1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Nothing specific comes to mind. I would probably try the newest FPS games at some point, but average settings are ok with me. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Work. Multiple virtual machines, 2 monitors. Software I use is not that resource intensive, I just want the system to run smooth, fast and be very stable. I also want to be able to stream in 720p/1080p. Some video editing / 3d modeling, too - not on professional level. I just want the most value for my budget. Do you intend to overclock? Not really, but if build allows me to do that safely, then yes. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No. What country will you be buying your parts in? Latvia If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. I tried to come up with something myself, this is how the list looks on pcpartpicker: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/XerocodeIT/saved/4pTQ Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P, 79 USD CPU: AMD FX-Series FX-6300 SAM3, 136 USD CPU cooler: Cooler Master HYPER 212 EVO, 40 USD Video: Asus AMD/ATI Radeon R7 260X 2GB GDDR5 PCIE R7260X-DC2OC-2GD5, 160 USD RAM: 2 x Kingston 4GB, 1600 Mhz, 87 USD SSD: Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB SATAIII SV300S37A/120G, 81 HDD: Seagate BARRACUDA 7200 1TB SATA 64MB ST1000DM003, 67 Case: Cooler Master K 280, 45 USD PSU: Corsair Builder CX430 ATX2.3 80+ 430W, 53 USD My questions:  1. Overall opinion? Any recommendations, bottlenecks, cheap upgrades? 2. Is motherboard ok? I chose one that suited the CPU and video card, picked those first. 3. Should the CPU be overclocked? With the prices I can get in Latvia, it sums up to 750 dollars (543 euro) which is much cheaper than pre-built computers I can get here. If I checked more online shops and amazon/ebay price would go down further. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
The motherboard is, as far as I know, a great motherboard for overclocking the FX 6300. So you should be good with that. The CPU cooler might be a bit weak, not sure. http://www.overclock.net/t/1424829/best-mobo-for-fx-6300 http://www.overclock.net/t/1411591/best-motherboard-for-the-amd-fx-6300-am3 The PSU you're getting is bad. Everyone hates it. http://www.overclock.net/t/1431436/why-you-should-not-buy-a-corsair-cx I guess you could look at the intel equivalent for this build? It implies you won't overclock though. Not sure how it fits in your budget but maybe you should look at using a high end i3 or an i5. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
There's something going on with that Kingston SSDNow V300 drive. They somewhat secretly changed the chips used and it has half the speed as in the original reviews from when it came out. I'm probably exaggerating but that's how I remember the story. Try to see if you can find a different SSD with a similar price. | ||
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St_Michael
United States73 Posts
On April 19 2014 04:52 skyR wrote: Prebuilts aren't a good value because you pay for labour, overhead, all-in-one post-sale support, etc and they typically come with bad power supplies and cases. Not to mention the combination of parts is typically a waste of money (eg. no point in having a 4770k for gaming). I was wondering, why does the recommended build for me use an i5, and you also say there is no need for the 4770k (which I believe is the i7?) in gaming? The macbook I just got has an i7, so would my desktop be slower than the laptop? If the processor is the most important part, it wouldn't be worth it to get the i7 - or is gaming only dependent on graphics cards and not the processor? Thanks! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 20 2014 04:48 yokcounty wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On April 19 2014 04:52 skyR wrote: Prebuilts aren't a good value because you pay for labour, overhead, all-in-one post-sale support, etc and they typically come with bad power supplies and cases. Not to mention the combination of parts is typically a waste of money (eg. no point in having a 4770k for gaming). I was wondering, why does the recommended build for me use an i5, and you also say there is no need for the 4770k (which I believe is the i7?) in gaming? The macbook I just got has an i7, so would my desktop be slower than the laptop? If the processor is the most important part, it wouldn't be worth it to get the i7 - or is gaming only dependent on graphics cards and not the processor? Thanks! Gaming depends on both the graphics card and the processor. Most games depend on the graphics card more while some games, eg. Starcraft II, largely depend on the processor. Core i5 is just a quad core while Core i7 is a quad core with hyperthreading (so an i7 has four physical cores and four virtual cores aka eight cores). Other than that, the two are practically identical (aka if you disable hyperthreading on the i7, it basically becomes an i5). More cores doesn't mean better performance if those cores aren't being used. A Core i7 at 2.4GHz will perform worse than a Core i3 or Pentium at 3.2 GHz if you are not using more than two cores. Most games only fully utilize two cores and some of the more newer games are starting to partially or fully utilize a third and forth core. It doesn't make sense to waste $100 for the few games that uses a third and forth core when you can waste $100 on getting a better graphics card that actually gets you (significantly) better performance in nearly every game. Mobile components are clocked quite a bit lower than desktop components. The Core i7's in the Macbook Pros runs at up to something like 3 GHz (depending on how many cores are loaded) which is even slower than desktop Core i3's and Pentiums where the top models are around 3.2 GHz. A new desktop will undoubtedly be faster than a MBP with an i7 in gaming. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
What is your budget? I guess $500's? I can be sort of flexible i guess lol i just want good enough budget computer that will run smoothly for a low usage user What is your monitor's native resolution? 1600x900 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? none What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? video streaming stuff like netflix youtube Do you intend to overclock? no Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no Do you need an operating system? no Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? no If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. anything not gigabyte. i have really bad luck with their stuff :X What country will you be buying your parts in? united states If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. none | ||
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St_Michael
United States73 Posts
On April 20 2014 06:12 wussleeQ wrote: Could someone please suggest a fairly low end build for my parents who probably at most only watch netflix? What is your budget? I guess $500's? I can be sort of flexible i guess lol i just want good enough budget computer that will run smoothly for a low usage user What is your monitor's native resolution? 1600x900 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? none What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? video streaming stuff like netflix youtube Do you intend to overclock? no Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no Do you need an operating system? no Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? no If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. anything not gigabyte. i have really bad luck with their stuff :X What country will you be buying your parts in? united states If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. none I will sell them my 2011 iMac for whatever the fair price on ebay and stuff is minus $50 for TL user and free shipping. Let me know if interested. | ||
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