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On April 17 2014 07:44 LimeNade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 04:53 Incognoto wrote:On April 17 2014 03:30 LimeNade wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hey guys sorry to post again but I decided I am going to bump up my budget with a cap of 800 so was wondering if someone could help me out again with a new possible build (if 100 dollars will make much a difference)
600-800 USD ideally
1920x1080
Diablo 3, Hearthstone, Starcraft 2, FPS games such as the Bioshocks, Dishonored, Titan Fall, Team Fortress 2, Loadout
I would like to be able to watch a downloaded video or stream a video that's 720-1080p quality without any quality issues. Also if possible I would like to be able to stream my gameplay(on twitchtv) at a decent quality since I have a 20-25 mb upload.
Yes and no. I would prefer not to overclock if it's not necessary but if there comes a time when there is a large upside to doing so then I would like to have the option to do so.
I don't intend to use Crossfire/SLI as I can't really see when I would ever need to do so but if a pro on here suggests I should then I will reconsider.
No I believe I still have my Windows 7 64bit from my old computer that died.
I still have my monitor and all peripherals form old computer.
No requirements on brands as long as it's not crap haha.
I live in the North East of the United States. So basically will be buying parts in the US
No retailer preferences as long as its trustworthy
Also I have decided to use no parts from my old computer. I figured if need be I can use them as emergency backup parts.
EDIT: I should be able to use my old CD/DVD burner no problem I am guessing? It was in good condition and no liquid from the liquid cooler got near it.
For $800 overclocking equipment isn't really where you should be allocating money. Maybe you could justify it for overclocking an AMD processor but generally speaking for a gaming computer a non-overclocked Haswell quad-core works out just fine. Downloading and watching 1080p streams is more about network connection than your computer hardware. The same thing could eventually be said for actually streaming. I know that my own rig is perfectly fine for streaming but my internet connection can't pull off a decent 720p stream (let alone 480p). An i5 4670 is the go-to processor for the kind of building you're describing: gaming rig with no overclock, capable of doing almost anything decently but nothing excellently. The real question in your build is what kind of GPU you're going to get. For high settings on 1080p, a GTX 760 would do nicely (the AMD alternative is the R9 280 but it's a tad more expensive than the 760). For ultra settings on 1080p then you could step up to an R9 280X (not sure about pricing atm) or a GTX 770. Though I'm guessing you'll run out of cash before you step up to the latter two, with $800. Try to put something together and have others take a look at it. PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3t06IPrice breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3t06I/by_merchant/Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3t06I/benchmarks/CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: NZXT Respire T40 68.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($65.98 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($142.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC) Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($184.99 @ Amazon) Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($45.49 @ NCIX US) Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Micro Center) Total: $749.39 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-16 18:43 EDT-0400) This is kind of what I came up with taking advice from people/reading reviews. Does this all mesh well together or are there certain things that aren't compatible (such as if my power supply is good/big enough etc) ?
Seems kind of weird that you would want a CPU cooler on a non-overclocked CPU. It might help but $30 is quite an investment IMO.
Then again, I live in Canada and my room is a constant 17 degree celsius....
Also, 16GB of RAM? Kind of overkill....you'd save a ton of money by buying just 1 stick of 8GB RAM and upgrading in the future. Not sure what you use your computer for but for me, I have SC2, CSGO, Twitch, GOMPlayer, and Firefox on and my RAM usage doesn't exceed 5GB... Most of the time it's barely even 3GB.
With that extra $100 saved from RAM and CPU cooler, I'd recommend you buy a GTX 770 to take full advantage of your i5.
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Also, 16GB of RAM? Kind of overkill....you'd save a ton of money by buying just 1 stick of 8GB RAM and upgrading in the future.
Might as well get 2x4gb if the mobo has 4 RAM slots, as long as you don't want more than 16 on the life of the mobo (my friend complains about being stuck with 4x4 after an ordering mistake, but then again he complains constantly about using all 1gb RAM on iphone too  )
dual channel = twice as much bandwidth as single, so it's kinda important
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Am set up now with air540, beautiful case and easy to work with
This was my silver arrow after 8 months
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OTWOz7S.jpg)
I was going to clean bi-anually, but held off a few months because of new case. I seriously doubt it would get that bad if i wasn't running a high negative pressure setup out of laziness (somewhat powerful 170mm exhaust above cpu cooler with very little to feed it) because the amount of dust falling off it when taking fans off etc was somewhat shocking. I didn't really pay attention to it in the second half of that timespan
GPU, took a closer look, blew dust off the PCB, seems basically brand new.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0C56geI.jpg)
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lPhuEZf.jpg)
Will work something out with desk, maybe swap out for another. This is a kinda weird setup. I took some closer pics of the stuff through window, but it's very clean (and reflective) and you can see my entire bedroom so.. nty
I ran some x264, same test as before, peaked 72c instead of ~79-80 from when i ran it before. Can attribute to both case and dust i think, cause that was a lot of dust.
Unigine Heaven 4.0, i put GPU fan at 60% (before noise bump) and ran through at max overlock, it hit 55c on the 7'th scene and then leveled off about 60c and peaked 62. Power sensor peaked ~152w (gtx770 @1.2v, 1293/7000mhz cause i forgot to add the 1% voltage and +600mhz on RAM) which is still ridiculously low - i'm pretty sure it's accurate, as nvidia uses it to control a lot of stuff and it seems to scale up/down properly, i've seen it show as much as i think it was ~192% on an overvolted titan (yay ocn)
Since it was lower than before, i checked back to my old post, and seems i got same temp there, but with 80% gpu fan instead of 60% (which is way louder, and not the best type of noise) so i was just gonna give gpu a few mins to cool down before running heaven again @80% fan
Ud3h is actually, i THINK - CPU, OPT - both separately PWM controlled, can set to whatever
sysfan 1, pwm, maybe voltage controlled
sysfan 2+3, pwm or voltage controlled, shared channel
sysfan 4, voltage controlled or 12v 24/7
Gotta grab 3x 120mm fans for front, don't have them in. I think i'l grab a third ty-147 too, for aesthetics if nothing else, it won't notably affect noise at this point.
Will order tomorrow i think, but still not sure what to get. That will make load cpu+gpu temps drop by quite a lot. Still not sure of exactly which ones to get, or how to control them without a drive bay, but i can work that out
Here is airflow pic ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Qaxz1p6.png) - position and scale proobably off by a decent amount
I considered leaving 3x exhaust, but with 3x af140's running at full power, i wouldn't be able to fan control my 3x120mm's without falling into negative pressure with a largely meshed, open-to-air case, and i'd rather sleep with noise as-is, as opposed to with three high powered 120mm fans running full blast
edit: Ran through heaven again w/ RAM up, 80% fan - got about 1.5fps faster, peaked 59c and ~155w on sensor. 53fps on heaven 4.0 extreme preset - might get a bit lower temps and definitely a lot more airflow when i throw 3x120 on front, so it definitely makes me very confident to throw whatever gpu i want in there ^.^
As far as i know now, this sensor is for GPU power consumption, not factoring in the efficiency of the VRM's on the graphics card, or the VRAM. Actual consumption from the PSU is likely 200 watts, with that added in, at max OC.
My room temp must be like.. 18c
I also kinda screwed myself a little into using only a single GPU, as even though 2x 760's would draw like 320w, this 550w psu (golden green hx) only has 2x 6+2 pci-e connectors.. i'd have to use all of the molex's + adapters to make a couple more 6 pins, but i hear that's a somewhat questionable option? If it's completely fine and totally ok to use a 6+2 paired with a 2x-molex-into-6pin for two GPU's of gtx760 tier power consumption, please let me know (as it's probably silly to run anything meatier at max OC on a 550w psu, superflower or not, with an oc'd 4770k)
Oh, also, i talked to a BT engineer and got download capped @30mbits (before overhead) to speed up upload some, supposed to be able to get 80/20, but it's FTTC (as FTTH is probably years out, waited literally half of my life already for this stuff) and much of my rather large town apparently uses aluminum wiring as opposed to copper, so it's best available.
![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/3444082156.png)
Got ~30% increase in upload from that, and download/ping are rock solid, as well as completely stable connection so far. Uncapped, also. Better than 6.8/0.65 ADSL that derps out quite often in random cases!
Good morning Europe ^.^
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What is your budget?
Let's say 900 without any need for a new case.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
I would like to play current games on high but no need for max AA or anything
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
light bit of photoshop
Do you intend to overclock?
no
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no
Do you need an operating system?
no
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Maybe a small ssd for the operating system? definitely no more than 120 gigs
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None really, probably just one that is easy to track price changes for? Amazon seems particularly difficult for that unless someone wishes to enlighten me?
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On April 17 2014 12:29 Cyro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Am set up now with air540, beautiful case and easy to work with This was my silver arrow after 8 months I was going to clean bi-anually, but held off a few months because of new case. I seriously doubt it would get that bad if i wasn't running a high negative pressure setup out of laziness (somewhat powerful 170mm exhaust above cpu cooler with very little to feed it) because the amount of dust falling off it when taking fans off etc was somewhat shocking. I didn't really pay attention to it in the second half of that timespan GPU, took a closer look, blew dust off the PCB, seems basically brand new. - Will work something out with desk, maybe swap out for another. This is a kinda weird setup. I took some closer pics of the stuff through window, but it's very clean (and reflective) and you can see my entire bedroom so.. nty I ran some x264, same test as before, peaked 72c instead of ~79-80 from when i ran it before. Can attribute to both case and dust i think, cause that was a lot of dust. Unigine Heaven 4.0, i put GPU fan at 60% (before noise bump) and ran through at max overlock, it hit 55c on the 7'th scene and then leveled off about 60c and peaked 62. Power sensor peaked ~152w (gtx770 @1.2v, 1293/7000mhz cause i forgot to add the 1% voltage and +600mhz on RAM) which is still ridiculously low - i'm pretty sure it's accurate, as nvidia uses it to control a lot of stuff and it seems to scale up/down properly, i've seen it show as much as i think it was ~192% on an overvolted titan (yay ocn) Since it was lower than before, i checked back to my old post, and seems i got same temp there, but with 80% gpu fan instead of 60% (which is way louder, and not the best type of noise) so i was just gonna give gpu a few mins to cool down before running heaven again @80% fan Ud3h is actually, i THINK - CPU, OPT - both separately PWM controlled, can set to whatever sysfan 1, pwm, maybe voltage controlled sysfan 2+3, pwm or voltage controlled, shared channel sysfan 4, voltage controlled or 12v 24/7 Gotta grab 3x 120mm fans for front, don't have them in. I think i'l grab a third ty-147 too, for aesthetics if nothing else, it won't notably affect noise at this point. Will order tomorrow i think, but still not sure what to get. That will make load cpu+gpu temps drop by quite a lot. Still not sure of exactly which ones to get, or how to control them without a drive bay, but i can work that out Here is airflow pic - position and scale proobably off by a decent amount I considered leaving 3x exhaust, but with 3x af140's running at full power, i wouldn't be able to fan control my 3x120mm's without falling into negative pressure with a largely meshed, open-to-air case, and i'd rather sleep with noise as-is, as opposed to with three high powered 120mm fans running full blast edit: Ran through heaven again w/ RAM up, 80% fan - got about 1.5fps faster, peaked 59c and ~155w on sensor. 53fps on heaven 4.0 extreme preset - might get a bit lower temps and definitely a lot more airflow when i throw 3x120 on front, so it definitely makes me very confident to throw whatever gpu i want in there ^.^ As far as i know now, this sensor is for GPU power consumption, not factoring in the efficiency of the VRM's on the graphics card, or the VRAM. Actual consumption from the PSU is likely 200 watts, with that added in, at max OC. My room temp must be like.. 18c I also kinda screwed myself a little into using only a single GPU, as even though 2x 760's would draw like 320w, this 550w psu (golden green hx) only has 2x 6+2 pci-e connectors.. i'd have to use all of the molex's + adapters to make a couple more 6 pins, but i hear that's a somewhat questionable option? If it's completely fine and totally ok to use a 6+2 paired with a 2x-molex-into-6pin for two GPU's of gtx760 tier power consumption, please let me know (as it's probably silly to run anything meatier at max OC on a 550w psu, superflower or not, with an oc'd 4770k) Oh, also, i talked to a BT engineer and got download capped @30mbits (before overhead) to speed up upload some, supposed to be able to get 80/20, but it's FTTC (as FTTH is probably years out, waited literally half of my life already for this stuff) and much of my rather large town apparently uses aluminum wiring as opposed to copper, so it's best available. Got ~30% increase in upload from that, and download/ping are rock solid, as well as completely stable connection so far. Uncapped, also. Better than 6.8/0.65 ADSL that derps out quite often in random cases! Good morning Europe ^.^
I really like it, it looks like a really nice case; good for airflow. what psu do you use?
Dust is scary as always. I've been borderline facist vs dust in my rig generally speaking.
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On April 17 2014 16:04 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 12:29 Cyro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Am set up now with air540, beautiful case and easy to work with This was my silver arrow after 8 months I was going to clean bi-anually, but held off a few months because of new case. I seriously doubt it would get that bad if i wasn't running a high negative pressure setup out of laziness (somewhat powerful 170mm exhaust above cpu cooler with very little to feed it) because the amount of dust falling off it when taking fans off etc was somewhat shocking. I didn't really pay attention to it in the second half of that timespan GPU, took a closer look, blew dust off the PCB, seems basically brand new. - Will work something out with desk, maybe swap out for another. This is a kinda weird setup. I took some closer pics of the stuff through window, but it's very clean (and reflective) and you can see my entire bedroom so.. nty I ran some x264, same test as before, peaked 72c instead of ~79-80 from when i ran it before. Can attribute to both case and dust i think, cause that was a lot of dust. Unigine Heaven 4.0, i put GPU fan at 60% (before noise bump) and ran through at max overlock, it hit 55c on the 7'th scene and then leveled off about 60c and peaked 62. Power sensor peaked ~152w (gtx770 @1.2v, 1293/7000mhz cause i forgot to add the 1% voltage and +600mhz on RAM) which is still ridiculously low - i'm pretty sure it's accurate, as nvidia uses it to control a lot of stuff and it seems to scale up/down properly, i've seen it show as much as i think it was ~192% on an overvolted titan (yay ocn) Since it was lower than before, i checked back to my old post, and seems i got same temp there, but with 80% gpu fan instead of 60% (which is way louder, and not the best type of noise) so i was just gonna give gpu a few mins to cool down before running heaven again @80% fan Ud3h is actually, i THINK - CPU, OPT - both separately PWM controlled, can set to whatever sysfan 1, pwm, maybe voltage controlled sysfan 2+3, pwm or voltage controlled, shared channel sysfan 4, voltage controlled or 12v 24/7 Gotta grab 3x 120mm fans for front, don't have them in. I think i'l grab a third ty-147 too, for aesthetics if nothing else, it won't notably affect noise at this point. Will order tomorrow i think, but still not sure what to get. That will make load cpu+gpu temps drop by quite a lot. Still not sure of exactly which ones to get, or how to control them without a drive bay, but i can work that out Here is airflow pic - position and scale proobably off by a decent amount I considered leaving 3x exhaust, but with 3x af140's running at full power, i wouldn't be able to fan control my 3x120mm's without falling into negative pressure with a largely meshed, open-to-air case, and i'd rather sleep with noise as-is, as opposed to with three high powered 120mm fans running full blast edit: Ran through heaven again w/ RAM up, 80% fan - got about 1.5fps faster, peaked 59c and ~155w on sensor. 53fps on heaven 4.0 extreme preset - might get a bit lower temps and definitely a lot more airflow when i throw 3x120 on front, so it definitely makes me very confident to throw whatever gpu i want in there ^.^ As far as i know now, this sensor is for GPU power consumption, not factoring in the efficiency of the VRM's on the graphics card, or the VRAM. Actual consumption from the PSU is likely 200 watts, with that added in, at max OC. My room temp must be like.. 18c I also kinda screwed myself a little into using only a single GPU, as even though 2x 760's would draw like 320w, this 550w psu (golden green hx) only has 2x 6+2 pci-e connectors.. i'd have to use all of the molex's + adapters to make a couple more 6 pins, but i hear that's a somewhat questionable option? If it's completely fine and totally ok to use a 6+2 paired with a 2x-molex-into-6pin for two GPU's of gtx760 tier power consumption, please let me know (as it's probably silly to run anything meatier at max OC on a 550w psu, superflower or not, with an oc'd 4770k) Oh, also, i talked to a BT engineer and got download capped @30mbits (before overhead) to speed up upload some, supposed to be able to get 80/20, but it's FTTC (as FTTH is probably years out, waited literally half of my life already for this stuff) and much of my rather large town apparently uses aluminum wiring as opposed to copper, so it's best available. Got ~30% increase in upload from that, and download/ping are rock solid, as well as completely stable connection so far. Uncapped, also. Better than 6.8/0.65 ADSL that derps out quite often in random cases! Good morning Europe ^.^ I really like it, it looks like a really nice case; good for airflow. what psu do you use? Dust is scary as always. I've been borderline facist vs dust in my rig generally speaking.
A golden green hx550 for oc'd 4770k + strong single GPU (300w+) or sli midrange (if i can)
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 17 2014 12:29 Cyro wrote:Am set up now with air540, beautiful case and easy to work with This was my silver arrow after 8 months I was going to clean bi-anually, but held off a few months because of new case. I seriously doubt it would get that bad if i wasn't running a high negative pressure setup out of laziness (somewhat powerful 170mm exhaust above cpu cooler with very little to feed it) because the amount of dust falling off it when taking fans off etc was somewhat shocking. I didn't really pay attention to it in the second half of that timespan GPU, took a closer look, blew dust off the PCB, seems basically brand new. - Will work something out with desk, maybe swap out for another. This is a kinda weird setup. I took some closer pics of the stuff through window, but it's very clean (and reflective) and you can see my entire bedroom so.. nty I ran some x264, same test as before, peaked 72c instead of ~79-80 from when i ran it before. Can attribute to both case and dust i think, cause that was a lot of dust. Unigine Heaven 4.0, i put GPU fan at 60% (before noise bump) and ran through at max overlock, it hit 55c on the 7'th scene and then leveled off about 60c and peaked 62. Power sensor peaked ~152w (gtx770 @1.2v, 1293/7000mhz cause i forgot to add the 1% voltage and +600mhz on RAM) which is still ridiculously low - i'm pretty sure it's accurate, as nvidia uses it to control a lot of stuff and it seems to scale up/down properly, i've seen it show as much as i think it was ~192% on an overvolted titan (yay ocn) Since it was lower than before, i checked back to my old post, and seems i got same temp there, but with 80% gpu fan instead of 60% (which is way louder, and not the best type of noise) so i was just gonna give gpu a few mins to cool down before running heaven again @80% fan Ud3h is actually, i THINK - CPU, OPT - both separately PWM controlled, can set to whatever sysfan 1, pwm, maybe voltage controlled sysfan 2+3, pwm or voltage controlled, shared channel sysfan 4, voltage controlled or 12v 24/7 Gotta grab 3x 120mm fans for front, don't have them in. I think i'l grab a third ty-147 too, for aesthetics if nothing else, it won't notably affect noise at this point. Will order tomorrow i think, but still not sure what to get. That will make load cpu+gpu temps drop by quite a lot. Still not sure of exactly which ones to get, or how to control them without a drive bay, but i can work that out Here is airflow pic - position and scale proobably off by a decent amount I considered leaving 3x exhaust, but with 3x af140's running at full power, i wouldn't be able to fan control my 3x120mm's without falling into negative pressure with a largely meshed, open-to-air case, and i'd rather sleep with noise as-is, as opposed to with three high powered 120mm fans running full blast edit: Ran through heaven again w/ RAM up, 80% fan - got about 1.5fps faster, peaked 59c and ~155w on sensor. 53fps on heaven 4.0 extreme preset - might get a bit lower temps and definitely a lot more airflow when i throw 3x120 on front, so it definitely makes me very confident to throw whatever gpu i want in there ^.^ As far as i know now, this sensor is for GPU power consumption, not factoring in the efficiency of the VRM's on the graphics card, or the VRAM. Actual consumption from the PSU is likely 200 watts, with that added in, at max OC. My room temp must be like.. 18c I also kinda screwed myself a little into using only a single GPU, as even though 2x 760's would draw like 320w, this 550w psu (golden green hx) only has 2x 6+2 pci-e connectors.. i'd have to use all of the molex's + adapters to make a couple more 6 pins, but i hear that's a somewhat questionable option? If it's completely fine and totally ok to use a 6+2 paired with a 2x-molex-into-6pin for two GPU's of gtx760 tier power consumption, please let me know (as it's probably silly to run anything meatier at max OC on a 550w psu, superflower or not, with an oc'd 4770k) Oh, also, i talked to a BT engineer and got download capped @30mbits (before overhead) to speed up upload some, supposed to be able to get 80/20, but it's FTTC (as FTTH is probably years out, waited literally half of my life already for this stuff) and much of my rather large town apparently uses aluminum wiring as opposed to copper, so it's best available. Got ~30% increase in upload from that, and download/ping are rock solid, as well as completely stable connection so far. Uncapped, also. Better than 6.8/0.65 ADSL that derps out quite often in random cases! Good morning Europe ^.^
Awesome, makes me want to get a new case..
I just want to say..
![[image loading]](http://www.speedtest.net/result/3444558680.png)
Gonna get that upped to 90/9 soon, apparently courtesy of our provider. It really shocks me how far behind some european countries aswell as the USA are in internet speeds sometimes 0o
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On April 17 2014 16:21 Thalandros wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 17 2014 12:29 Cyro wrote:Am set up now with air540, beautiful case and easy to work with This was my silver arrow after 8 months I was going to clean bi-anually, but held off a few months because of new case. I seriously doubt it would get that bad if i wasn't running a high negative pressure setup out of laziness (somewhat powerful 170mm exhaust above cpu cooler with very little to feed it) because the amount of dust falling off it when taking fans off etc was somewhat shocking. I didn't really pay attention to it in the second half of that timespan GPU, took a closer look, blew dust off the PCB, seems basically brand new. - Will work something out with desk, maybe swap out for another. This is a kinda weird setup. I took some closer pics of the stuff through window, but it's very clean (and reflective) and you can see my entire bedroom so.. nty I ran some x264, same test as before, peaked 72c instead of ~79-80 from when i ran it before. Can attribute to both case and dust i think, cause that was a lot of dust. Unigine Heaven 4.0, i put GPU fan at 60% (before noise bump) and ran through at max overlock, it hit 55c on the 7'th scene and then leveled off about 60c and peaked 62. Power sensor peaked ~152w (gtx770 @1.2v, 1293/7000mhz cause i forgot to add the 1% voltage and +600mhz on RAM) which is still ridiculously low - i'm pretty sure it's accurate, as nvidia uses it to control a lot of stuff and it seems to scale up/down properly, i've seen it show as much as i think it was ~192% on an overvolted titan (yay ocn) Since it was lower than before, i checked back to my old post, and seems i got same temp there, but with 80% gpu fan instead of 60% (which is way louder, and not the best type of noise) so i was just gonna give gpu a few mins to cool down before running heaven again @80% fan Ud3h is actually, i THINK - CPU, OPT - both separately PWM controlled, can set to whatever sysfan 1, pwm, maybe voltage controlled sysfan 2+3, pwm or voltage controlled, shared channel sysfan 4, voltage controlled or 12v 24/7 Gotta grab 3x 120mm fans for front, don't have them in. I think i'l grab a third ty-147 too, for aesthetics if nothing else, it won't notably affect noise at this point. Will order tomorrow i think, but still not sure what to get. That will make load cpu+gpu temps drop by quite a lot. Still not sure of exactly which ones to get, or how to control them without a drive bay, but i can work that out Here is airflow pic - position and scale proobably off by a decent amount I considered leaving 3x exhaust, but with 3x af140's running at full power, i wouldn't be able to fan control my 3x120mm's without falling into negative pressure with a largely meshed, open-to-air case, and i'd rather sleep with noise as-is, as opposed to with three high powered 120mm fans running full blast edit: Ran through heaven again w/ RAM up, 80% fan - got about 1.5fps faster, peaked 59c and ~155w on sensor. 53fps on heaven 4.0 extreme preset - might get a bit lower temps and definitely a lot more airflow when i throw 3x120 on front, so it definitely makes me very confident to throw whatever gpu i want in there ^.^ As far as i know now, this sensor is for GPU power consumption, not factoring in the efficiency of the VRM's on the graphics card, or the VRAM. Actual consumption from the PSU is likely 200 watts, with that added in, at max OC. My room temp must be like.. 18c I also kinda screwed myself a little into using only a single GPU, as even though 2x 760's would draw like 320w, this 550w psu (golden green hx) only has 2x 6+2 pci-e connectors.. i'd have to use all of the molex's + adapters to make a couple more 6 pins, but i hear that's a somewhat questionable option? If it's completely fine and totally ok to use a 6+2 paired with a 2x-molex-into-6pin for two GPU's of gtx760 tier power consumption, please let me know (as it's probably silly to run anything meatier at max OC on a 550w psu, superflower or not, with an oc'd 4770k) Oh, also, i talked to a BT engineer and got download capped @30mbits (before overhead) to speed up upload some, supposed to be able to get 80/20, but it's FTTC (as FTTH is probably years out, waited literally half of my life already for this stuff) and much of my rather large town apparently uses aluminum wiring as opposed to copper, so it's best available. Got ~30% increase in upload from that, and download/ping are rock solid, as well as completely stable connection so far. Uncapped, also. Better than 6.8/0.65 ADSL that derps out quite often in random cases! Good morning Europe ^.^ Awesome, makes me want to get a new case.. I just want to say.. Gonna get that upped to 90/9 soon, apparently courtesy of our provider. It really shocks me how far behind some european countries aswell as the USA are in internet speeds sometimes 0o
I have faster upload and my 15 ping was on a server ~450 miles away
Yes, half of the UK is stuck on ADSL1 (0.6 up) but i get the impression that the internet situation over in the US is significantly worse. Seems to suck for a lot of them, whereas here there is a lot of feast or famine, but good ISP's in general, data capping or throttling does not really happen, etc
10:1 ratio of download to upload is a bit crazy, i'm around 3.5:1 atm
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Well, as long as we're comparing speeds... then again, those with google fiber probably put this in the dust.
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On April 17 2014 11:06 wptlzkwjd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 07:44 LimeNade wrote:On April 17 2014 04:53 Incognoto wrote:On April 17 2014 03:30 LimeNade wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hey guys sorry to post again but I decided I am going to bump up my budget with a cap of 800 so was wondering if someone could help me out again with a new possible build (if 100 dollars will make much a difference)
600-800 USD ideally
1920x1080
Diablo 3, Hearthstone, Starcraft 2, FPS games such as the Bioshocks, Dishonored, Titan Fall, Team Fortress 2, Loadout
I would like to be able to watch a downloaded video or stream a video that's 720-1080p quality without any quality issues. Also if possible I would like to be able to stream my gameplay(on twitchtv) at a decent quality since I have a 20-25 mb upload.
Yes and no. I would prefer not to overclock if it's not necessary but if there comes a time when there is a large upside to doing so then I would like to have the option to do so.
I don't intend to use Crossfire/SLI as I can't really see when I would ever need to do so but if a pro on here suggests I should then I will reconsider.
No I believe I still have my Windows 7 64bit from my old computer that died.
I still have my monitor and all peripherals form old computer.
No requirements on brands as long as it's not crap haha.
I live in the North East of the United States. So basically will be buying parts in the US
No retailer preferences as long as its trustworthy
Also I have decided to use no parts from my old computer. I figured if need be I can use them as emergency backup parts.
EDIT: I should be able to use my old CD/DVD burner no problem I am guessing? It was in good condition and no liquid from the liquid cooler got near it.
For $800 overclocking equipment isn't really where you should be allocating money. Maybe you could justify it for overclocking an AMD processor but generally speaking for a gaming computer a non-overclocked Haswell quad-core works out just fine. Downloading and watching 1080p streams is more about network connection than your computer hardware. The same thing could eventually be said for actually streaming. I know that my own rig is perfectly fine for streaming but my internet connection can't pull off a decent 720p stream (let alone 480p). An i5 4670 is the go-to processor for the kind of building you're describing: gaming rig with no overclock, capable of doing almost anything decently but nothing excellently. The real question in your build is what kind of GPU you're going to get. For high settings on 1080p, a GTX 760 would do nicely (the AMD alternative is the R9 280 but it's a tad more expensive than the 760). For ultra settings on 1080p then you could step up to an R9 280X (not sure about pricing atm) or a GTX 770. Though I'm guessing you'll run out of cash before you step up to the latter two, with $800. Try to put something together and have others take a look at it. PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3t06IPrice breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3t06I/by_merchant/Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3t06I/benchmarks/CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: NZXT Respire T40 68.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($65.98 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($142.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC) Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($184.99 @ Amazon) Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($45.49 @ NCIX US) Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Micro Center) Total: $749.39 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-16 18:43 EDT-0400) This is kind of what I came up with taking advice from people/reading reviews. Does this all mesh well together or are there certain things that aren't compatible (such as if my power supply is good/big enough etc) ? Seems kind of weird that you would want a CPU cooler on a non-overclocked CPU. It might help but $30 is quite an investment IMO. Then again, I live in Canada and my room is a constant 17 degree celsius.... Also, 16GB of RAM? Kind of overkill....you'd save a ton of money by buying just 1 stick of 8GB RAM and upgrading in the future. Not sure what you use your computer for but for me, I have SC2, CSGO, Twitch, GOMPlayer, and Firefox on and my RAM usage doesn't exceed 5GB... Most of the time it's barely even 3GB. With that extra $100 saved from RAM and CPU cooler, I'd recommend you buy a GTX 770 to take full advantage of your i5.
It only has two slots for RAM so I think I'll take your suggestion and look for a 8GB stick and go from there. Also I don't want to skimp out on cooling as summers can get pretty hot around me
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On April 18 2014 00:55 LimeNade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 11:06 wptlzkwjd wrote:On April 17 2014 07:44 LimeNade wrote:On April 17 2014 04:53 Incognoto wrote:On April 17 2014 03:30 LimeNade wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hey guys sorry to post again but I decided I am going to bump up my budget with a cap of 800 so was wondering if someone could help me out again with a new possible build (if 100 dollars will make much a difference)
600-800 USD ideally
1920x1080
Diablo 3, Hearthstone, Starcraft 2, FPS games such as the Bioshocks, Dishonored, Titan Fall, Team Fortress 2, Loadout
I would like to be able to watch a downloaded video or stream a video that's 720-1080p quality without any quality issues. Also if possible I would like to be able to stream my gameplay(on twitchtv) at a decent quality since I have a 20-25 mb upload.
Yes and no. I would prefer not to overclock if it's not necessary but if there comes a time when there is a large upside to doing so then I would like to have the option to do so.
I don't intend to use Crossfire/SLI as I can't really see when I would ever need to do so but if a pro on here suggests I should then I will reconsider.
No I believe I still have my Windows 7 64bit from my old computer that died.
I still have my monitor and all peripherals form old computer.
No requirements on brands as long as it's not crap haha.
I live in the North East of the United States. So basically will be buying parts in the US
No retailer preferences as long as its trustworthy
Also I have decided to use no parts from my old computer. I figured if need be I can use them as emergency backup parts.
EDIT: I should be able to use my old CD/DVD burner no problem I am guessing? It was in good condition and no liquid from the liquid cooler got near it.
For $800 overclocking equipment isn't really where you should be allocating money. Maybe you could justify it for overclocking an AMD processor but generally speaking for a gaming computer a non-overclocked Haswell quad-core works out just fine. Downloading and watching 1080p streams is more about network connection than your computer hardware. The same thing could eventually be said for actually streaming. I know that my own rig is perfectly fine for streaming but my internet connection can't pull off a decent 720p stream (let alone 480p). An i5 4670 is the go-to processor for the kind of building you're describing: gaming rig with no overclock, capable of doing almost anything decently but nothing excellently. The real question in your build is what kind of GPU you're going to get. For high settings on 1080p, a GTX 760 would do nicely (the AMD alternative is the R9 280 but it's a tad more expensive than the 760). For ultra settings on 1080p then you could step up to an R9 280X (not sure about pricing atm) or a GTX 770. Though I'm guessing you'll run out of cash before you step up to the latter two, with $800. Try to put something together and have others take a look at it. PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3t06IPrice breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3t06I/by_merchant/Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3t06I/benchmarks/CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: NZXT Respire T40 68.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($65.98 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($142.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC) Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($184.99 @ Amazon) Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($45.49 @ NCIX US) Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Micro Center) Total: $749.39 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-16 18:43 EDT-0400) This is kind of what I came up with taking advice from people/reading reviews. Does this all mesh well together or are there certain things that aren't compatible (such as if my power supply is good/big enough etc) ? Seems kind of weird that you would want a CPU cooler on a non-overclocked CPU. It might help but $30 is quite an investment IMO. Then again, I live in Canada and my room is a constant 17 degree celsius.... Also, 16GB of RAM? Kind of overkill....you'd save a ton of money by buying just 1 stick of 8GB RAM and upgrading in the future. Not sure what you use your computer for but for me, I have SC2, CSGO, Twitch, GOMPlayer, and Firefox on and my RAM usage doesn't exceed 5GB... Most of the time it's barely even 3GB. With that extra $100 saved from RAM and CPU cooler, I'd recommend you buy a GTX 770 to take full advantage of your i5. It only has two slots for RAM so I think I'll take your suggestion and look for a 8GB stick and go from there. Also I don't want to skimp out on cooling as summers can get pretty hot around me
As Cyro will doubtlessly get around to telling you, 2x4 Gb of RAM is preferable to 1x8 Gb. Dual channel means double bandwidth. It's hardly more expensive either. We're not talking about flabbergasting gains but it's still worth it.
I wouldn't get an aftermarket cooler if you're going to just use a 4670. This is what I have, a stock cooler on a 4670 and my temperatures are perfectly fine, the cooler isn't even noisy since I never load the processor enough to warm it up all that much. Stock cooler works perfectly fine.
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On April 18 2014 01:03 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 00:55 LimeNade wrote:On April 17 2014 11:06 wptlzkwjd wrote:On April 17 2014 07:44 LimeNade wrote:On April 17 2014 04:53 Incognoto wrote:On April 17 2014 03:30 LimeNade wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hey guys sorry to post again but I decided I am going to bump up my budget with a cap of 800 so was wondering if someone could help me out again with a new possible build (if 100 dollars will make much a difference)
600-800 USD ideally
1920x1080
Diablo 3, Hearthstone, Starcraft 2, FPS games such as the Bioshocks, Dishonored, Titan Fall, Team Fortress 2, Loadout
I would like to be able to watch a downloaded video or stream a video that's 720-1080p quality without any quality issues. Also if possible I would like to be able to stream my gameplay(on twitchtv) at a decent quality since I have a 20-25 mb upload.
Yes and no. I would prefer not to overclock if it's not necessary but if there comes a time when there is a large upside to doing so then I would like to have the option to do so.
I don't intend to use Crossfire/SLI as I can't really see when I would ever need to do so but if a pro on here suggests I should then I will reconsider.
No I believe I still have my Windows 7 64bit from my old computer that died.
I still have my monitor and all peripherals form old computer.
No requirements on brands as long as it's not crap haha.
I live in the North East of the United States. So basically will be buying parts in the US
No retailer preferences as long as its trustworthy
Also I have decided to use no parts from my old computer. I figured if need be I can use them as emergency backup parts.
EDIT: I should be able to use my old CD/DVD burner no problem I am guessing? It was in good condition and no liquid from the liquid cooler got near it.
For $800 overclocking equipment isn't really where you should be allocating money. Maybe you could justify it for overclocking an AMD processor but generally speaking for a gaming computer a non-overclocked Haswell quad-core works out just fine. Downloading and watching 1080p streams is more about network connection than your computer hardware. The same thing could eventually be said for actually streaming. I know that my own rig is perfectly fine for streaming but my internet connection can't pull off a decent 720p stream (let alone 480p). An i5 4670 is the go-to processor for the kind of building you're describing: gaming rig with no overclock, capable of doing almost anything decently but nothing excellently. The real question in your build is what kind of GPU you're going to get. For high settings on 1080p, a GTX 760 would do nicely (the AMD alternative is the R9 280 but it's a tad more expensive than the 760). For ultra settings on 1080p then you could step up to an R9 280X (not sure about pricing atm) or a GTX 770. Though I'm guessing you'll run out of cash before you step up to the latter two, with $800. Try to put something together and have others take a look at it. PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3t06IPrice breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3t06I/by_merchant/Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3t06I/benchmarks/CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: NZXT Respire T40 68.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($65.98 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($142.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC) Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB Video Card ($184.99 @ Amazon) Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($45.49 @ NCIX US) Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Micro Center) Total: $749.39 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-16 18:43 EDT-0400) This is kind of what I came up with taking advice from people/reading reviews. Does this all mesh well together or are there certain things that aren't compatible (such as if my power supply is good/big enough etc) ? Seems kind of weird that you would want a CPU cooler on a non-overclocked CPU. It might help but $30 is quite an investment IMO. Then again, I live in Canada and my room is a constant 17 degree celsius.... Also, 16GB of RAM? Kind of overkill....you'd save a ton of money by buying just 1 stick of 8GB RAM and upgrading in the future. Not sure what you use your computer for but for me, I have SC2, CSGO, Twitch, GOMPlayer, and Firefox on and my RAM usage doesn't exceed 5GB... Most of the time it's barely even 3GB. With that extra $100 saved from RAM and CPU cooler, I'd recommend you buy a GTX 770 to take full advantage of your i5. It only has two slots for RAM so I think I'll take your suggestion and look for a 8GB stick and go from there. Also I don't want to skimp out on cooling as summers can get pretty hot around me As Cyro will doubtlessly get around to telling you, 2x4 Gb of RAM is preferable to 1x8 Gb. Dual channel means double bandwidth. It's hardly more expensive either. We're not talking about flabbergasting gains but it's still worth it. I wouldn't get an aftermarket cooler if you're going to just use a 4670. This is what I have, a stock cooler on a 4670 and my temperatures are perfectly fine, the cooler isn't even noisy since I never load the processor enough to warm it up all that much. Stock cooler works perfectly fine.
kk the 2x4GB makes more sense than the 1x8GB then. Also I am a bit paranoid of not having a good cpu cooler after what just happened to my old comp. Some how the liquid cooler I had failed after only 4 years and then a part of it melted leaking out onto the mother board and gpu mostly :/. But if the stock cooler on the 4670 will work perfectly fine then that's money saved/money I can spend elsewhere. I'm currently on my 8-9 year old laptop lol so I will probably figure out in the next couple of hours what I will definitely be ordering.
EDIT: So after all the help, input, research this seems to be a good build for my budget
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3tvE6
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3tvE6/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3tvE6/benchmarks/
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($45.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $706.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-17 16:46 EDT-0400)
I would appreciate feedback on any of this as I will more than likely order the parts tonight (445pm here atm)
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okay a few questions here about buying a new video card.
im planning on getting it from the ncix store i have pretty close to my house, but thats not 100% if i do find a better deal i will go for that.
so im trying to decide between which geforce 780 to go for, but its all pretty confusing with the differences and price differences so im just asking here to get a few good opinions that can help! thanks!
this is the cheapest card im looking at, but ive never heard of this brand before
http://www.ncix.com/detail/zotac-geforce-gtx-780-oc-8d-92730-1226.htm
ive heard alot of people recomend this one, but is it worth the extra 80$ price tag with it?
http://www.ncix.com/detail/evga-geforce-gtx-780-967mhz-93-84058-1360.htm
im trying my best to save money, i know no matter what i get its going to be expensive so its not that big of a deal
any tips or any other brands that might be a better choice? im still learning haha
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On April 18 2014 06:18 Kojak21 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +okay a few questions here about buying a new video card. im planning on getting it from the ncix store i have pretty close to my house, but thats not 100% if i do find a better deal i will go for that. so im trying to decide between which geforce 780 to go for, but its all pretty confusing with the differences and price differences so im just asking here to get a few good opinions that can help! thanks! this is the cheapest card im looking at, but ive never heard of this brand before http://www.ncix.com/detail/zotac-geforce-gtx-780-oc-8d-92730-1226.htmive heard alot of people recomend this one, but is it worth the extra 80$ price tag with it? http://www.ncix.com/detail/evga-geforce-gtx-780-967mhz-93-84058-1360.htmim trying my best to save money, i know no matter what i get its going to be expensive so its not that big of a deal any tips or any other brands that might be a better choice? im still learning haha
Zotac is big in Asia, not so much in North America. Zotac has a two year warranty, no idea about their quality of post-sale support.
EVGA on the other hand is very well known for their excellent post-sale support and that's why you hear them being recommended so often. Warranty is three years, option to purchase extended warranty, Step-Up program, option for Advanced RMA, community forums with active employee involvement, etc.
Didn't search for anything else but you can pricematch the EVGA to $580 with Newegg: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130918 It's a shellshocker so pricing is for a limited time.
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The WD Black2 is still only interesting for laptops in which you need two storage devices living off the same interface port / slot. A lot of laptops these days either don't even have room for a standard SATA drive, have multiple 2.5" SATA drive spots, or have a 2.5" slot along with mSATA. I mean, the price of a 120GB SSD (which is better than the one in the Black2) is about $70, and the cost of a 1TB 2.5" drive is also about $70, so even with the heavy discount the Black2 is still more expensive than the separate parts combined.
Rosewill Stallion 500W is pretty bad, worse than you find in most cheapo OEM systems. It's not worth nearly $40. It might be worth a look as an emergency testing backup under the $20 range.
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alright thanks for the info, i think i might be purchasing it this weekend, just giving it one last look through.
http://www.ncix.com/detail/msi-geforce-gtx-780-oc-45-86111-1445.htm
they are selling that card for 580$ plus it has a 20 $ rebate, not much price difference but 20$ saved is always nice. ive heard this one comes with good cooling with it.
is there much of a difference between those cards?
right now i have a msi n560 ti hawk, and it has been great and had 0 problems with it.
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On April 18 2014 07:39 Kojak21 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +alright thanks for the info, i think i might be purchasing it this weekend, just giving it one last look through. http://www.ncix.com/detail/msi-geforce-gtx-780-oc-45-86111-1445.htmthey are selling that card for 580$ plus it has a 20 $ rebate, not much price difference but 20$ saved is always nice. ive heard this one comes with good cooling with it. is there much of a difference between those cards? right now i have a msi n560 ti hawk, and it has been great and had 0 problems with it.
Mail in rebates aren't instant. You have to mail it and then they send you a prepaid credit card or cheque in the mail a few months later if your application is approved. I'm not a big fan of them and they're certainly even stupider now with postage costing $1.2 to the US.
Not much tangible differences if you're a typical consumer. MSI Twin Frozr IV is good but so is ASUS's DirectCu II, Gigabyte's Windforce, EVGA's ACX, and so on. If you're an enthusiast who cares about overclocks than you may want to look into which one has the better PCB and stuff.
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ahh okay well thanks for the help. ill go in and see them this weekend and see what they have to say
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@Mandarinez:
In addition to what Myrmidon said about prices (which should already convince you not to buy that drive), I'm also worried that you will eventually run into some sort of problems with that drive. If you don't know how it works, the thing will show up as a 120GB SSD to the PC. After you install some sort of special driver, the 1TB HDD part shows up. There won't be two drives, instead it's one drive with two partitions. Everything about that seems suspicious. If you buy two normal drives instead, things will just work, no need for special drivers.
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