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wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
April 19 2014 22:42 GMT
#5381
On April 20 2014 06:12 wussleeQ wrote:
Could someone please suggest a fairly low end build for my parents who probably at most only watch netflix?
What is your budget?
I guess $500's? I can be sort of flexible i guess lol i just want good enough budget computer that will run smoothly for a low usage user

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1600x900

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
none

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
video streaming stuff like netflix youtube

Do you intend to overclock?
no

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no

Do you need an operating system?
no

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
anything not gigabyte. i have really bad luck with their stuff :X

What country will you be buying your parts in?
united states

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
none


Any laptop or computer pre-built at your electronics store priced at lower than $500 will be able to watch netflix....

Their biggest concern would be their internet package.
Feel free to add me on steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/MagnusAskeland/
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-19 23:41:19
April 19 2014 23:36 GMT
#5382
On April 20 2014 06:12 wussleeQ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Could someone please suggest a fairly low end build for my parents who probably at most only watch netflix?
What is your budget?
I guess $500's? I can be sort of flexible i guess lol i just want good enough budget computer that will run smoothly for a low usage user

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1600x900

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
none

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
video streaming stuff like netflix youtube

Do you intend to overclock?
no

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no

Do you need an operating system?
no

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
anything not gigabyte. i have really bad luck with their stuff :X

What country will you be buying your parts in?
united states

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
none


$398

Intel Pentium G3220 @ $62
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EUVG3P6

Asrock H81M-ITX @ $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157451

G.Skill 4GB 1600MHz @ $35
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231634

Fractal Design Node 304 @ $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352027

Samsung 840 EVO 120 GB @ $81
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247

Seasonic S12G 450 @ $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151139

Case is subjective, pick whatever ITX case you like. If you want to be cheap, you could get a Corsair CX430 instead of the Seasonic S12G. You could also switch to a normal mATX build and get a cheap case like the Fractal Design Core 1000 for $35 - in which case you'd also get an mATX motherboard, there's an ASUS H81 & 4GB combo for $82 on Newegg.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-20 03:54:39
April 20 2014 03:50 GMT
#5383
Dell Inspirion 660i, literally $300-330. It's a 3Ghz Pentium with a WD Blue 500GB HDD that comes with windows. I got my brother to buy one last Christmas (for $280!) and it works as well as expected.

The only thing bad about it is the motherboard ONLY has 2 SATA ports (WTF dell, it costs you less than 50cents to add another port), so you would have to take out the HDD (or disconnect the optical drive) if you wanted to put an SSD in there.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 20 2014 04:40 GMT
#5384
That's what SATA expansion cards are for. Or external USB drives (particularly for optical drive).
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-20 06:09:23
April 20 2014 06:07 GMT
#5385
On April 20 2014 07:32 yokcounty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2014 06:12 wussleeQ wrote:
Could someone please suggest a fairly low end build for my parents who probably at most only watch netflix?
What is your budget?
I guess $500's? I can be sort of flexible i guess lol i just want good enough budget computer that will run smoothly for a low usage user

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1600x900

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
none

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
video streaming stuff like netflix youtube

Do you intend to overclock?
no

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no

Do you need an operating system?
no

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
anything not gigabyte. i have really bad luck with their stuff :X

What country will you be buying your parts in?
united states

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
none


I will sell them my 2011 iMac for whatever the fair price on ebay and stuff is minus $50 for TL user and free shipping. Let me know if interested.


Unless they're going really really really cheap, it's probably not worth for either of you

skyR just posted a $400 build but if you're cutting pennies you could prob get it to $275 range with a cheapo case, no SSD and a normal power supply (almost everybody uses PSU's that could be called terrible, spending $70 on a PSU for a netflix build is pretty funny to me)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
BillGates
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
471 Posts
April 20 2014 06:13 GMT
#5386
On April 18 2014 08:12 Grampz wrote:
Looking to UPGRADE

What is your current build?
EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
Q6600 Processor
280GB HD Western Digital
4 GB RAM

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1600x900

Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Need new CD reader, Can keep CPU if needed. On budget. Possibly new RAM. Need new hard drive. Anything else I would need.

What is your budget?
300-350

What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA

please any help is appreciated. Not looking for a complete overhaul just some tweaks here and there. Unless I find a really good deal, in which case i wouldn't be opposed.


On a general note a new 1TB HDD will cost you around $60, this is to cover your HDD needs. You could add 4GB DDR2 ram to increase performance in games and that will cost you around $70 as well since DDR2 ram is actually more expensive than DDR3.

Then you can purchase a new CPU cooler, a good one for overclocking will set you back around $80-$90. Then you overclock the CPU as much as you can.

Overall cost will be $200-$220; Advantages are that you keep your current rig, get additional HDD space and boosts the speed a decent amount.

Alternatively you can get an I5 4430 for $190 ASUS H81M-K LGA 1150 Intel H81 Motherboard for $55 and new 4gb 1600MHz DDR3 memory for $40

Overall cost will be $280-$300, for another $50 you can buy a new HDD as well; Advantages for this build are that its new, so new CPU, new mobo with USB 3 and Sata6 support, new faster ram. It also way faster than your current computer and you can easily add more ram and add a better CPU in the future if you wish.

Disadvantages are that its quite extensive upgrade, you'll need to basically strip your current PC and add the new mobo, cpu, ram and attach the HDD, GPU and other stuff from your current computer.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
April 20 2014 08:57 GMT
#5387
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 20 2014 08:36 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2014 06:12 wussleeQ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Could someone please suggest a fairly low end build for my parents who probably at most only watch netflix?
What is your budget?
I guess $500's? I can be sort of flexible i guess lol i just want good enough budget computer that will run smoothly for a low usage user

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1600x900

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
none

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
video streaming stuff like netflix youtube

Do you intend to overclock?
no

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
no

Do you need an operating system?
no

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
no

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
anything not gigabyte. i have really bad luck with their stuff :X

What country will you be buying your parts in?
united states

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
none


$398

Intel Pentium G3220 @ $62
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EUVG3P6

Asrock H81M-ITX @ $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157451

G.Skill 4GB 1600MHz @ $35
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231634

Fractal Design Node 304 @ $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352027

Samsung 840 EVO 120 GB @ $81
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247

Seasonic S12G 450 @ $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151139

Case is subjective, pick whatever ITX case you like. If you want to be cheap, you could get a Corsair CX430 instead of the Seasonic S12G. You could also switch to a normal mATX build and get a cheap case like the Fractal Design Core 1000 for $35 - in which case you'd also get an mATX motherboard, there's an ASUS H81 & 4GB combo for $82 on Newegg.


sweet thanks a lot for this!

as for the other posts, i'm too lazy to teach them mac and my brother had bought a laptop for them which i would pull my hair out trying to configure because of how shitty it ran so i decided a barebones computer would be much better.
BW -> League -> CSGO
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
April 20 2014 09:39 GMT
#5388
I didn't actually consider that there was no HDD in this build. I guess price couldn't be brought down >that< much - though $70 for one of the best 450w psu's on the planet still seems out of place to me on such a build
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-20 13:40:27
April 20 2014 13:38 GMT
#5389
You don't need a HDD for Netflix or Youtube. $70 PSU isn't out of ordinary for these sort of builds, there are some (including me) that would get a Seasonic Platinum. Just a matter of individual preference.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
April 20 2014 15:18 GMT
#5390
I have no qualms buying something like a PSU used on eBay for very little (though it's a bit scary trying it out, I must admit).
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
April 20 2014 15:38 GMT
#5391
On April 20 2014 22:38 skyR wrote:
You don't need a HDD for Netflix or Youtube. $70 PSU isn't out of ordinary for these sort of builds, there are some (including me) that would get a Seasonic Platinum. Just a matter of individual preference.


The build, with a $50 case, comes to $280 - there if no way that i would pay 1/4 of the build cost on a PSU. That's akin to a $250 PSU added on a $1k build - it's maybe good, but it's not at all necessary and it looks silly next to the price tag.

Having a good PSU is somewhat important and all, but out of all of the people that i know with PC's IRL, only one of them uses PSU's that are even rated 80+. A netflix rig isn't going to set on fire because you have a cx430 or some other psu powering the like 50 watt or whatever it's drawing for the entire system
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
April 20 2014 17:37 GMT
#5392
PSUs have become so controversial as of late.
maru lover forever
Leonidas1
Profile Joined May 2012
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-20 22:19:05
April 20 2014 22:07 GMT
#5393
What is your budget?
$900

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
League of Legends; high
Starcraft 2; high
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Listening to music in the background, Microsoft Word, Streaming to twitch

Do you intend to overclock?
No unless you think it is worth it.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No

Do you need an operating system?
Yes, preferably windows 8

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
I need a monitor and yes it is part of my budget

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
I have no preference

What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None
St_Michael
Profile Joined July 2012
United States73 Posts
April 20 2014 23:08 GMT
#5394
On April 21 2014 07:07 Leonidas1 wrote:
What is your budget?
$900

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
League of Legends; high
Starcraft 2; high
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Listening to music in the background, Microsoft Word, Streaming to twitch

Do you intend to overclock?
No unless you think it is worth it.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No

Do you need an operating system?
Yes, preferably windows 8

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
I need a monitor and yes it is part of my budget

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
I have no preference

What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None



Hello, you sound like you are looking for the same type of build as me. If you look a few pages back, you can find a build that was recommended to me that I think might for your needs as well.

Look at me helping others with their builds already :p (jk). GL!
GL to new Liquid LCS team!
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
April 21 2014 11:58 GMT
#5395
On April 21 2014 07:07 Leonidas1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

What is your budget?
$900

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
League of Legends; high
Starcraft 2; high
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Listening to music in the background, Microsoft Word, Streaming to twitch

Do you intend to overclock?
No unless you think it is worth it.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No

Do you need an operating system?
Yes, preferably windows 8

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
I need a monitor and yes it is part of my budget

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
I have no preference

What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None


You should probably re-read the OP, there's a lot of information in there which should get you something to start with. I think a Haswell Core i5 would be good here if you can fit it in your budget, try building around that processor (I would go for the 4670 if you wanna stream). You don't have the funds to overclock it though.








Anyway, how would one rank the GTX 750 Ti and GTX 750 in this list:

GTX 780 R9 290
GTX 770 Radeon HD7970 R9 280X
GTX 760 Radeon HD7950
R9 270X
GTX 660 Radeon HD7870 R9 270
GTX 650 Ti Boost Radeon HD7850
GTX 650 Ti Radeon HD7790 R7 260X
Radeon HD7770


I would put the GTX 750 Ti with the 650 Ti Boost / 7850 tier, and the GTX 750 in the 650 Ti / 7790 / R7 260X tier.


maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 12:29:51
April 21 2014 12:26 GMT
#5396
On April 21 2014 20:58 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2014 07:07 Leonidas1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

What is your budget?
$900

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
League of Legends; high
Starcraft 2; high
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Listening to music in the background, Microsoft Word, Streaming to twitch

Do you intend to overclock?
No unless you think it is worth it.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No

Do you need an operating system?
Yes, preferably windows 8

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
I need a monitor and yes it is part of my budget

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
I have no preference

What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None


You should probably re-read the OP, there's a lot of information in there which should get you something to start with. I think a Haswell Core i5 would be good here if you can fit it in your budget, try building around that processor (I would go for the 4670 if you wanna stream). You don't have the funds to overclock it though.








Anyway, how would one rank the GTX 750 Ti and GTX 750 in this list:

Show nested quote +
GTX 780 R9 290
GTX 770 Radeon HD7970 R9 280X
GTX 760 Radeon HD7950
R9 270X
GTX 660 Radeon HD7870 R9 270
GTX 650 Ti Boost Radeon HD7850
GTX 650 Ti Radeon HD7790 R7 260X
Radeon HD7770


I would put the GTX 750 Ti with the 650 Ti Boost / 7850 tier, and the GTX 750 in the 650 Ti / 7790 / R7 260X tier.




Yes, 750ti is under the 270, while 750 above 7770

standard build here i think i5 4670, 8gb RAM (cheap, probably 1600c9), ~450w psu (whatever has quality and works), 750ti/760 (getting lower is possible, but makes somewhat lopsided towards CPU and OP probably wants future games to run suitably well)

h81/b85/whatever board works

depending on storage needs:

single 120gb ssd (~840 evo)
single 240gb ssd

(instead of, or combined with one of the below)

single 500gb HDD
single 1tb HDD
single >1tb HDD


120gb ssd + 1tb HDD works well, as does single 240gb SSD if you don't want more space. Depends a lot on the price, in the UK we got some really low SSD prices recently, 240gb SSD was cheaper than 120gb ssd + a decent HDD

Case is personal, you can range from not actually buying one, to spending like $150 within reason. Best to stick to cheaper for lower budget though, it's very easy to cool such parts and they won't really heat up a basic case with a couple low speed fans


i5 4670 + 750ti are silly low power consumption, like 150w for entire system level low. 760 is architecture behind (for those unaware) with higher strengh but significantly higher raw power consumption, so it'd be in the low to mid 200's range for entire system i think

It's not much power (in terms of bills etc) but it's relevant because power usage pretty much directly correlates to heat output. At that level it's not much to worry about, as for example two high OC'd 780ti's with a 3930k can hit a thousand watts or so.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 13:28:39
April 21 2014 13:25 GMT
#5397
R7 265 aka the 7850, bountiful at ~$155 and is literally the R9 270 with 4 CU's (or w/e amd calls them) chopped off. They are both power limited at 150w (much like the 650Ti boost/660 situation) so you only really lose ~5% performance (after OC ofc) for ~$25 cheaper... Way to go AMD you just shot your self in the foot.

So I say R7 265.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 14:07:17
April 21 2014 13:44 GMT
#5398
On April 21 2014 22:25 iTzSnypah wrote:
R7 265 aka the 7850, bountiful at ~$155 and is literally the R9 270 with 4 CU's (or w/e amd calls them) chopped off. They are both power limited at 150w (much like the 650Ti boost/660 situation) so you only really lose ~5% performance (after OC ofc) for ~$25 cheaper... Way to go AMD you just shot your self in the foot.

So I say R7 265.


It's still a pretty big gap, 1.25x in favor of the 270 in terms of CU's.

TBH they seem pretty similar price/perf (265 and 750ti), maybe 265 a bit better (though less available) but the combination of significantly more CPU-efficient drivers, double the performance per watt and NVENC available makes 750ti extremely appealing to me (and i think some others)

I am probably quite biased though.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-21 15:03:15
April 21 2014 15:02 GMT
#5399
On April 21 2014 22:44 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2014 22:25 iTzSnypah wrote:
R7 265 aka the 7850, bountiful at ~$155 and is literally the R9 270 with 4 CU's (or w/e amd calls them) chopped off. They are both power limited at 150w (much like the 650Ti boost/660 situation) so you only really lose ~5% performance (after OC ofc) for ~$25 cheaper... Way to go AMD you just shot your self in the foot.

So I say R7 265.


It's still a pretty big gap, 1.25x in favor of the 270 in terms of CU's.

TBH they seem pretty similar price/perf (265 and 750ti), maybe 265 a bit better (though less available) but the combination of significantly more CPU-efficient drivers, double the performance per watt and NVENC available makes 750ti extremely appealing to me (and i think some others)

I am probably quite biased though.

Radeon R7 265 holds a particularly large 19% lead over GTX 750 Ti, and in fact wins at every single benchmark. Similarly, Radeon R7 260X averages a 10% lead over GTX 750, and it does so while having 2GB of VRAM to GTX 750’s 1GB.

TBH I also prefer nvidia but sub GTX770 amd is much better price/performance wise.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
April 21 2014 15:13 GMT
#5400
On April 22 2014 00:02 iTzSnypah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2014 22:44 Cyro wrote:
On April 21 2014 22:25 iTzSnypah wrote:
R7 265 aka the 7850, bountiful at ~$155 and is literally the R9 270 with 4 CU's (or w/e amd calls them) chopped off. They are both power limited at 150w (much like the 650Ti boost/660 situation) so you only really lose ~5% performance (after OC ofc) for ~$25 cheaper... Way to go AMD you just shot your self in the foot.

So I say R7 265.


It's still a pretty big gap, 1.25x in favor of the 270 in terms of CU's.

TBH they seem pretty similar price/perf (265 and 750ti), maybe 265 a bit better (though less available) but the combination of significantly more CPU-efficient drivers, double the performance per watt and NVENC available makes 750ti extremely appealing to me (and i think some others)

I am probably quite biased though.

Radeon R7 265 holds a particularly large 19% lead over GTX 750 Ti, and in fact wins at every single benchmark. Similarly, Radeon R7 260X averages a 10% lead over GTX 750, and it does so while having 2GB of VRAM to GTX 750’s 1GB.

TBH I also prefer nvidia but sub GTX770 amd is much better price/performance wise.


Seems about right for both:
http://www.amazon.fr/Sapphire-GDDR5-Carte-graphique-Express/dp/B00GI2EZ7I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398092842&sr=8-1&keywords=R7 260X
http://www.amazon.fr/Asus-GTX750-PHOC-1GD5-Graphique-GeForce-PCI-Express/dp/B00ICUGP5Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398092877&sr=8-1&keywords=gtx 750
http://www.amazon.fr/Gigabyte-N750OC-1GI-Graphique-GeForce-PCI-Express/dp/B00IGQ4URO/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1398092877&sr=8-7&keywords=gtx 750


In other news, theft: http://www.amazon.fr/Sedatech-Advanced-Centrale-4x3-4Ghz-GTX750ti/dp/B00IED7R3I/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1398092877&sr=8-13&keywords=gtx 750#productDetails
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